Hillary Endorsed by Neo-Con Mouthpiece

[Don1]

Bruce Bartlett, neo-conservative mouthpiece of the Republican Party has endorsed Clinton in the National Review. His plan: register as a Democrat to vote for her in the primary because she is the most conservative. Work closely with the upcoming winner so that policy can be affected on behalf of neo-conservatism.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzgxMjNlMWMzNzQ1NjlhMWI5YzNiYTM5YzdmZDdiNTQ

"At some point, politically sophisticated conservatives will have to recognize that no Republican can win in 2008 and that their only choice is to support the most conservative Democrat for the nomination. Call me crazy, but I think that person is Hillary Clinton."

[sellitman]

1. Told you so

:rofl:

[Don1]

10. sorry.

Told us what? That neo-cons would do this or that neo-cons would say they are doing this? It gets confusing with these liars.

[iconocrastic]

61. There are a few fewer "conservatives" these days

We are picking them off slowly one at a time.

[wake.up.america]

2. I think Hillary is perceived as the easiest to beat.

[Don1]

6. Possible.

You never know what is on these guys' minds. What they say is not usually reality-based and sometimes propaganda.

[Justyce]

8. I agree -- I think they are pushing for HRC or Obama because

they *think* they can beat them. The media also pushes the dems that they think will lose and ridicules the ones that could win. Our media sux.

[cascadiance]

23. Having her against any Repub is a win-win for Korporate Amerika!

That's their ticket!

[BikeWriter]

26. Ain't no doubt in my mind.

[Don1]

46. I don't have an extremist position here.

I think it is more like a 'status quo' victory for corporate America. If she wins, I suspect she may move to deregulate something while regulating other things...all with the appearance of having rational policy. She will not undo things like CAFTA, NAFTA, the Bankruptcy Bill, the TeleCommunications Act of 1996 etc, but she is also not going to create a number of problems too. The next GOP President after Hillary, though, will pass a bunch more of these types of economic policies. Therefore, I prefer someone other than Hillary who will undo some of the things damage so that when the GOP comes to power again, they have to start over, not build on failed economic policy.

[unlawflcombatnt]

57. Exactly

Corporate America's preference for her is why she's raised more money than any other Democrats. She's Corporate America's 1st choice among the Democrats, and maybe their 1st choice overall.

She certainly seems to be a candidate who'll allow Corporate America to employ as much cheap, non-American labor as possible - either through outsourcing American jobs to foreign countries where labor is cheap, or by "insourcing" cheap non-American labor into the U.S. through illegal and legal immigration.

Economic Populist Forum

[MaineProgressive]

21. The cons want Hillary to be the nominee because she is the

most polarizing and consider her hands-down the easiest to beat. That may be correct.

[Beam Me Up]

22. Easiest to beat and easiest to control if she does get elected.

[Forkboy]

37. It's a two-fer...and they know it.

She either loses,which they'd love,or if she wins she's seen as the most conservative Dem running so they might actually be able to get her ear on many occasions.Given her love of triangulation I can't imagine why they would think any other way.

[info being]

25. Most conservative and easiest to beat

[peace frog]

44. Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

We have a winner.

[elizm]

55. Exactly....And they're hoping Dems are dumb enough....

...to fall for it.

[VWolf]

3. Wow, I actually agree with a Neo-Con

1) A Repug will NOT win in '08.
2) Clinton probably IS the most conservative of the lot.

Hell hath frozen over

[Don1]

5. you forgot one...

You also agree with this "Call me crazy..." :)

[VWolf]

7. LOL Point well taken nt

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[papau]

9. nonsense - reverse psychology - but it will be eaten up by many on DU - Hillary is the most liberal

- other than DK and Gravel - and has a lifetime of work to prove it.

But every election the GOP sells a person on the left (the leader whoever that leader is at that moment) as a corporate sellout - and some on the left buy their crap.

[Don1]

11. I wonder about this, too...

On the one hand, we should not trust neo-cons...

On the other hand, they did the same thing with Lieberman.

Let's watch what other endorsements come out. So far we have:
MSM calling her the winner after the first debate???
CEO of Morgan Stanley endorsing her.
and now this.

This is definitely not as much right support as Lieberman had, but it is also early in the race.

I am going to see what happens and note these types of things. The right-wing base does in fact listen to these guys once enough of them make claims like this.

[Missy M]

18. I too believe it is reverse psychology.....

Hillary is the candidate they don't want to go against because they know she can win.

[LeFleur1]

24. Exactly

You got it. The right wing has an excellent bunch of liars and manipulators. Don't fall for it.

[w4rma]

28. Hillary is the most neo-liberal. (nt)

[MadHound]

33. A "lifetime"?

Does this "lifetime" include her stint as a Goldwater Girl? On the board of Wal Mart? Or are you simply referring to her scant seven years in the Senate?

And believe me, most people on the left think that Clinton is a corporate whore for a good reason, the simple fact that she sold out to corporate America long ago, as did her husband. We don't need the GOP to tell us our opinions, we can see perfectly well on our own.

[papau]

34. Highschool Goldwater girl - and Stefanie Miller's Dad ran for GOP Vice President in 64- your point?

As to Wall Mart - the largest Company in the state that her husband was the governor of, the Board Members serving with her recall her as a fighter for employee benefits and rights - but they could be liars no doubt.

NOW says she's super liberal and a 30 year fighter for human rights and especially women's rights - but they could be liars.

Indeed your fact less assertions - I did like "corporate whore" - do reveal someone who has studied her history - or not?

Even Free Republic knows her as that devil liberal, as does Nat'l Standard, Fred Barnes, Fox news - etc. - and it has been that way since 92. No doubt that is why they sing her praises - not.

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[rucky]

51. As long as the Neocon minions believe it,

then who cares?

[CrispyQ]

12. Besides HRC's pro-corporate views, there would be another advantage to her win:

the establishment will then tell all of us to "Shut the fuck up about election fraud because not only did a dem win, but a woman dem at that." It's taken years to get a decent amount of people concerned about our compromised electoral system. If HRC wins, it will be even more difficult to bring this issue front & center. They will have effectively stolen our electoral process & convinced a number of Americans that it isn't so.

[William769]

13. They just want another match up.

Couldn't beat them in the 90's won't do it now.

[Bitwit1234]

14. Why don't they vote for Obama that would make sure the Cons win

Since this country would never elect a black person as president, then the republicans would be sure to win. Hillary and Obama are the only two candidates who can't win...Hillary as a woman, the democrats have already shown they are too sexist to vote for a woman. And Obama as a black man.....So no wonder the republicans are rooting for Hillary or Obama to win the nomination. Edwards should sneak in and upset them all.

[jefferson_dem]

15. Ugh... Not the racist / sexist card again...

:puke:

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. Since when I have the RW ever respected anyone other than

old, white, XN, males?

[rufus dog]

40. lighten up

Dude, I have very liberal family members in Wyo and AZ saying the same thing. So WYO is lost, but AZ can be won. I have sent them numerous reasons to vote for Obama but they won't budge. Now, will they vote for Obama if he is the D candidate, yes. Do I think Obama has to have a clear lead in the polls, 6% plus to win. Why, due to recent history a black candidate must be up by that % is many states, including OHIO, AZ, PA, TN, to really win.

My point is I do not want to be here at the end of November 2008 saying what a bunch of racist/sexist assholes. I want to crush the assholes and after winning call them a bunch of racists sexist assholes.

So we need to work together to get Obama or Hillary (please no) a lead that can't be overcome and then call them out.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. They won't vote for a woman either, so I think that is what is really happening here. I

do feel HRC is conservative from where I stand, but I would still take her over any of the GOP crew.

Then too, I think HRC would fire up the base to come out and vote more than any other Dem candidate. They hate her and tehy loathe Bill. No way the righties would vote her into office.

[MH1]

54. Hillary will fire up the RW base to vote against her, and tamp down enthusiasm among liberal base.

That doesn't seem like a good formula for a GE win, to me.

[GreenPartyVoter]

60. And I think all that would still be in play with her in the Veep spot as well

[Enrique]

19. they're mindfucking us

Bill Kristol said something similar.

Gee, I wonder if neocons are capable of being underhanded, or should we take everything they say at face value.

[Don1]

47. Maybe.

Though some said the same thing about Lieberman's endorsements...

So far Hillary has 3 suspicious endorsements: MSM, CEO of Morgan Stanley, and now this.

I am taking a wait-and-see attitude as to what other RW endorsements come up.

Just because she has a few doesn't make her evil or anything, but if she has enough, then she will feel she owes some of her victory to that crowd...which is what Bartlet is claiming (at least) he wants.

[AX10]

20. Since when did Neo-cons support row v. wade and ....

tax hikes on the wealthiest?

[karynnj]

27. Actually many neo-cons were liberal on social and economic issues at one time

The shift was their acceptance of the asnine spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun stuff. This in fact is what made things very confusing. Two liberal bastions, the NYT and the WP, both had a considerable number of neo-cons. Their positive coverage of Bush in the run up to the war and their negative (and minimal)coverage of ANY Democratic alternatives helped the Republicans immensely in getting people to believe that the Democrats had no plans.

As to this article - taking it at face value is as silly as believing the OBL tape that he preferred Kerry to be elected. There are plenty of things I dislike about Hillary, but it is really unfair to take this against her.

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[zulchzulu]

30. Making flag desecration a federal crime is appealing to some...

Personally, I don't like my First Amendment pissed on for political theater...but some like it real nice.

[papau]

35. The game was to stop the Flag Amendment -and it worked - and nothing passed - good politics is

frowned on in the pure world of DU.

The GOP co-sponsor of the Flag law also joined Hillary in voting against that Flag amendment. Now we have a nice thread dumpling on a Dem - just like the GOP want us to do.

I prefer threads that discuss policy and sell a Dem's ideas and personality.

Fell free to say Obama has more of, and a better personality than the others, a better stage presense, a better voice, - and I'll agree (although Edwards is also very good). And I'll appreciate the post as a push for Obama that doesn't dump on other Dems. Obama makes a point of saying he wants to run a positive campaign - and I like that.

[zulchzulu]

39. That logic is like buying an alcoholic a six-pack of beer

I've heard the smarmy "arguments" from the Clinton apologists on this issue. It's pure, total bullshit.

If you say you want to make desecrating the American flag a federal crime, you stepped in a World of Shit in my book. No excuses needed for me to see the purient opportunism and lack of respect for the First Amendment.

[papau]

56. I view results as more important - so it looks like we will need to agree to disagree - peace n/t

n/t

[rinsd]

31. A two week article that's already been discussed ad naseum

I can't wait till the day after the election and Hillary is declared the winner and a sizable contigent of DU has a nervous breakdown.

[papau]

36. LOL -:-) I think - I hope - if we win in 08 - all of DU will be very happy! n/t

n/t

[rufus dog]

41. fine

If Hillary is the D nominee I will be a supporter, until she is the candidate I will do my best to keep her from winning the nomination.

[Don1]

45. I agree.

I mean, look at the sad choices from the GOP. 3 of them do not even believe in science.

[Don1]

49. Yeah.

You have my permission to poke fun at me when that happens. :)

[wyldwolf]

62. you should go back to the DU archives and real the wailing and gnashing of teeth...

... when it became obvious Howard Dean wasn't getting the nomination. If/when Hillary wins it, the outcry and conspiracy mongering here will far surpass that of 2004.

[rinsd]

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[illinoisprogressive]

38. Several repugs have said Hillary has conservative views - not exactly progressive.

[Don1]

50. The question is

how much of what they say is true and how much false? These guys are known liars, so at least some of it is false. I bet some is true and some is false. I prefer someone other than Hillary who is more progressive, like Mike Gravel or even Edwards. BUT when push comes to shove, the choice may be between Hillary and some neandertal who doesn't believe in science and supports fascism. I'll hold my nose, try not to be paranoid about the DLC, and vote for her.

[Alamom]

42. They're terrified a woman will win. They haven't done well "submitting" to Pelosi's gavel.eom

[Don1]

48. I think you are right.

They are terrified she could win and they are also bad with submitting to Pelosi. In fact, they just love picking on women in power. However, this neo-con in the op is claiming submission. I am wondering how this will play out over the next few months. Will we see other RW endorsements or not?

[flaminbats]

52. Republicans love Hillary..

but have nightmares about Bill Richardson and John Edwards being nominated. what Republicans fear most is the possibility of Obama being ELECTED!!!!:scared:

[ripple]

53. I think he's just trying to be provocative

in hopes of mobilizing the rethug base.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

58. She is the most conservative Dem, most corporate, and closest in thinking to the neocons

Bartlett is right. If the Republicans lose they would be best served by having HRC in the White House instead of a progressive.

[Alexander]

59. Wasn't Bill Clinton endorsed by the National Review?

And here I thought Hillary was going to be at least a little bit more liberal than her husband.

Silly me. :eyes: