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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:26 PM
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The Problem with Hillary
http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotian/836559.html



HILLARY Clinton’s appearance at John Hay High School in Cleveland earlier this month was a study in political professionalism. Students warmed up the crowd with renditions of great American speeches and songs from Guys and Dolls. Democratic dignitaries delivered paeans of praise for school reform.

When Clinton at last appeared she put on a perfectly choreographed performance — speaking without notes, displaying a remarkable knowledge of the school’s achievements, and bringing a touch of glamour to a dull Ohio afternoon with her pearls and perfectly coiffed blonde hair.

Clinton praised the school as an example of public-sector reform at its finest (the school has broken itself up into three smaller schools, introduced longer school days and longer school years, and done all this with the co-operation of the teachers’ unions).

She talked about what America’s cities could achieve if only they had a partner in Washington. And, unlike many of her Democratic opponents, she went out of her way to praise the president’s No Child Left Behind Act, claiming that the problems stemmed from shortage of funds rather than the principle of accountability.

Yet, for all that, there was something missing. The school hall was only three-quarters full. The audience consisted mostly of middle-aged or elderly ladies. There was little buzz. The place came to life only when a phalanx of local Democratic dignitaries, led by Stephanie Tubbs Jones, the congresswoman for the 11th congressional district, marched into the hall moments before Clinton arrived.

Joseph Grassy, a local Democrat who arrived late but nevertheless found a seat near the front, pronounced the event a damp squib compared with a recent Obama happening. Barack Obama had attracted thousands of people — so many that an overflow crowd watched his performance on video screens. The atmosphere was electric.

Clinton’s desultory numbers were padded out with operatives who owed their careers to the Democratic Party. But it is Clinton who is comfortably ahead of her main rival, with (say most polls) a double-digit lead.

Clinton is the most puzzling of the current crop of presidential candidates. Her front-runner status for the Democratic nomination, in a year in which the Republicans are in turmoil, not to say meltdown, reflects impressive strengths. These start with experience.

She spent eight years in the White House in what Bill Clinton once called a "two-for-the-price-of-one" presidency. She is a popular and successful senator for the country’s third-biggest state by population, re-elected last year with a thumpingly increased vote.

She also controls one of the two great political machines in American politics (the other belongs to the Bush dynasty): a machine that can boast everything from brilliant strategists, like Mark Penn, to excoriating critics of her enemies, like Sidney Blumenthal.

Yet she also has striking weaknesses. A leading Republican strategist describes her as strong but brittle. She comes with more political baggage than any senior Democrat who is not named Kennedy. Her husband has a long record of suicidally risky sexual dalliances.

Clinton is the one candidate who could transform the presidential election from an unloseable referendum on Republican failure into a vote on a Democratic candidate about whom almost everyone has strong feelings, many of them intensely hostile.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:33 PM
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1. Thanks for posting. This narrative illustrates the key differences between Hillary and Obama
Edited on Sun May-20-07 06:35 PM by jefferson_dem
Her campaign is top-down, scripted, establishment-driven. His is bottom-up, organic, grass-roots driven.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:42 PM
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3. "His is bottom-up, organic, grass-roots driven."
He's gonna make a great vice-president, jd.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:54 PM
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5. That's just a tad better than the worst case-scenario, in my view.
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DemDem07 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:58 PM
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18. Obama excites people.
Hillary turns off people.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:38 PM
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2. This Canadian opinion should be discounted at least 10%
Edited on Sun May-20-07 06:39 PM by MethuenProgressive
What is the Loony going for nowadays? 89 cents?
"She comes with more political baggage than any senior Democrat who is not named Kennedy."
Well, duh, eh?
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:44 PM
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4. I think that if she's the nominee,
there will be more than a few people who will come out to vote against her who would have stayed at home on election day had the Democrats nominated another candidate.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:00 PM
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7. if she's the nominee, I expect the Republicans to back another Nader run
It worked for them last time.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:04 PM
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9. They might have their OWN Nader in Bloomberg/Hagel--but that
might cut against us, too.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:06 PM
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11. And many disillusioned democrats will stay home.
I won't (I can't actually, because I work at the polls) but I was reminded yet again today how many Dems will think with their heart (or something) instead of their brain, and they won't come to the polls for someone they really dislike.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:25 PM
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14. There will always be a contingent
of "my way or the highway" dems who won't vote if their pet candidate doesn't get the nomination. That's not new.

The implied threat is sort of silly. No one candidate has 100% support among Dems.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:43 PM
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15. Well, I was referring to the large number in her case.
Not just ones whose pet candidate doesn't get the nomination...people who genuinely dislike Hillary and won't vote for her under any circumstances.

I don't think either Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Biden, or Dodd have the high negatives she does.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:10 PM
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12. True, some would come out just to vote against Hillary.
Others would come out just to vote against a black, or a Hispanic, or a Southerner, or a New England liberal ~ just like I'd never miss a chance to vote against a Bush.:evilgrin:
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:16 PM
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13. I'll vote for her in the GE if it comes to that
but I am not at all excited about her candidacy, and all of the polls and inevitability talk on here makes me even less enthusiastic about voting if she somehow gets the nomination.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:54 PM
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6. "...she went out of her way to praise the president’s No Child Left Behind Act"
Yet another reason I won't support Hillary.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:06 PM
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10. "Clinton assails 'No Child' in NEA speech" That ain't "praise," BooBoo.
Edited on Sun May-20-07 07:09 PM by MethuenProgressive
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070331/REPOSITORY/703310364/1217/NEWS98


Clinton assails 'No Child' in NEA speech
March 31. 2007 9:30AM

"While the children are getting good at filling in all those little bubbles, what exactly are they really learning?" Clinton asked delegates at the National Education Association of New Hampshire's annual meeting in Concord. "How much creativity are we losing? How much of our children's passion is being killed?"

In addition to overhauling what Clinton deemed the test-based approach to education, the New York senator called for universal preschool, higher teacher salaries and schools that emphasize self-discipline and respect, not just test scores. Clinton also criticized what she described as the outsourcing of tutoring and other services to private companies.

"This is Halliburton all over again," Clinton told reporters, adding that many of the companies likely have "very close ties" to the Republican Party. "We have these contracts going to these cronies who are chosen largely on a political basis, and we have nothing to show for it."

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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:38 PM
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16. no child left behind is atrocious
As are SOL tests.

In the State of Virginia, a new firm to do the testing for the SOLs is going to cost over $1 for each school district in the state. Think of how this money could have been spent....if each district got the $1+ million instead.

Meanwhile, the "accountability" is a new system where the entire education system now focuses on a multiple choice test where teachers are pressured into having good test scores, even if their school is tracked and the teacher gets non-honors students. Critical thinking skills? Sorry, they are left behind.

There is a bill in Congress, with considerable support, that would enable states to opt out of SOL requirements.

Obviously, Hillary weighs in with the "accountability" of the tests....which are themselves turning education into a joke.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:39 PM
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17. oops...typo....that's one million bucks per district!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:04 PM
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8. This is why I'm concerned about the lead she's in--I am just afraid
of what her poll numbers are based on (Name recognition and Inevitability vs. true support and excitement) and whether it can ultimately hold up and INCREASE in a general election--my gut says no. And then we're screwed.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 05:58 AM
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19. is that she can not win the election.
I believe she can do the job of being pres, but she can't get elected.

And if the Dems are smart they are going to nom someone who can get elected
and can do the job.
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