Will conservatives pick lettuce and clean motel rooms?

[BOSSHOG]

Here in Mississippi (lowest per capita income in the nation) I've been asking folks who support getting rid of all them immigrants if they will bitch moan and bellyache when they can't get lettuce in the grocery store. By gawd thats nonsense, it'll continue to get picked. Then I ask how are we gonna deport 12 million people and how much will it cost and is there a guarantee they won't come back. By gawd we just need to get rid of them. Mississippi, proud supporter of george bush and the state where ron raygun (murderer of priests, nuns and children) kicked off his presidential campaign.

[L. Coyote]

1. WHAT, in lieu of prison time?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. No they won't

and they will find another convenient enemy for their hate

[Missy M]

3. No they won't....

and I always ask how people would feel paying $7.00 for a head of lettuce.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Can't ya just wait

till some fine upstanding well educated christian conservative writes that letter to the editor blaming bill clinton for the cost of produce. Or how they went on a vacation with their church group and the motel rooms were so messy and dirty. Praise the lord and build that wall. Somehwere in leviticus it says that the U. S. of A. is for white christians only.

[Missy M]

6. I'm sure that's what would happen.....

I think they're all in a tizzy now because a report just came out that minorities now top the one million mark of our population.

[DemDem07]

20. Kraft foods paid their CEO 12 million last year.

Executive salary worldwide probably runs over 400 million a year before a single hourly employee is paid, yet you can still get mac and cheese 3 for a dollar on sale.

[sandnsea]

24. Yeah, due to cheap labor

You'd think with all the labor cost cutting done over the last 20 years that they'd be able to bring that mac 'n cheese down to 6 for a dollar. But no. Dividends and shares and CEO salaries go up and up, labor goes down and down. Do you not see a connection there?

[DemDem07]

30. They also pay $14 an hour in the local Oscar Mayer plant.

For production type jobs. People think that is a bunch, but people made more with bonus incentives in the 1970s. Point being, when they cut it down to less than minimum wage, (what most field workers actually make) all they will have there is immigrant labor.

I agree that they do try to gut the working man every chance they get though.

"Take more concessions or we'll shut the plant down boys!"

[sandnsea]

34. I agree

The problem is workers in the 70's bought into the labor scare and still haven't recovered. Now they're attacking the immigrants instead of joining with the immigrant and fighting the employer. The employer will screw the worker no matter who the worker is. Labor is a figure on a balance sheet, not human life. Workers have got to get that in their head and start fighting for their share again, no matter where that worker is located in the world. This is just more divide and conquer bullshit, just like they've done with union and scab forever.

[sandnsea]

5. clean motel rooms, absolutely

I am really damned tired of arrogant assholes who believe white people don't do these jobs. Picking lettuce, no. But construction, roofing, landscaping, maids, nannies, etc - these are done by regular every day Americans all the time. They might be able to demand a living wage if they didn't have to compete with illegals, that part is absolutely TRUE.

Every time a Democrat says "jobs Americans won't do", they lose voters.

[BOSSHOG]

7. Okay

Lets get rid of the approximately 12 million and see what happens. Let see who does what. Lets see the effect on the economy. And you are right, I have seen white people taking care of motels, in communities with a vast majority of white population.

[sandnsea]

9. Well gee, that's not what I said

I don't care who is doing what job where. I don't even care if they're legal or illegal. People are doing jobs and what they need is to be able to organize and fight for a living wage. It doesn't matter who gets paid crap wages, they're going to need all the same social services. It's a stupid argument. I just think "jobs Americans won't do" is disrespectful to all the citizens who get up and do those jobs every single day, and it's goddamned arrogant to disrespect the work too.

[Missy M]

13. It's interesting that my daughter worked in a hotel up north,....

not cleaning rooms, but 99% of the people who applied for the job of cleaning rooms were minorities. Explain that? The jobs were open to anyone who applied.

[sandnsea]

14. I've never seen it

So I wouldn't know for sure. My guess would be some kind of bullshit piling up somewhere, but what do I know.

[Missy M]

17. Why would I.....

bullshit. Maybe you should get out more often as you advised others.

[sinkingfeeling]

28. My son has been a restaurant (large chain, casual dinning) manager for over twenty years and he's

never had a single white, 'American' apply for a $6.50 a hour dishing washers' job in all that time. This is a town with a large university, so why aren't all those college kids applying?

[sandnsea]

33. Maybe your son only hires illegals

So legal citizens know not to apply. Did you ever think of that?

[sinkingfeeling]

47. No, he hires people with green cards. And if you think for a minute that a 'store'

manager sets the policies of Applebee's, Chili's, Tony Roma's, the Village Inn, and Cracker Barrel, you'd be mistaken. I want you to personally pledge to boycott all those restaurants because they can't get any 'legal' citizens to apply for their lousy jobs. And have you ever noticed how 'god awful' service in restaurants really is when you have a teeny-bopper or college kid as your server? You'll be happy to know that most will only do that job for an average of 3 weeks before they quit.


You'd do better to check out how many apply for Tyson's chicken plants in Arkansas, since you're into race.

[sandnsea]

49. My daughter did that job for several years

As do most of the "teeny-boppers", who later become the college kids, in my town. This thread is putrid. I remain glad I live where I live. You guys really have created your own underclass. My daughter noticed a certain kind of elitest snob whose kids smeared ketchup all over the tables and who never treated her as a human being. Take a bow. She was talking about you.

This thread really is why we're losing the rural vote. Arrogant fucking assholes.

[BOSSHOG]

39. Yeah

for the last 20+ years you son has actively sought out illegals in Fayetteville to wash dishes. Your son is so evil. What's he do? post a sign at the Mall, illegals sign up here. Whites need not apply.

[sandnsea]

45. Little Rock, janitorial

May as well put up a sign. Everybody knew it was a blacks only job. No white people ever applied. It doesn't mean that other parts of the country divide up jobs based on race.

[sinkingfeeling]

48. Really Boss, it's those darn newspaper ads that appear in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. You know

the ones in English only.

[sandnsea]

50. I was just in North Little Rock

My sister lives there. You are so full of shit. I saw lots and lots of white kids waiting tables and cooking and yes, washing dishes.

[DemDem07]

8. Won't speak for no freeper.

But you can bet your behind I will. So will my children. I agree with the poster above, I'm tired of hearing about the jobs Americans are too lazy to do.

[BOSSHOG]

10. Okay I'll sign you up

Motels 0900-1500, then hit the produce field till sundown at least six days a week, 10 bucks an hour. Thanks.

[sandnsea]

15. 10 bucks would be an improvement

It's $7.80 here, and we've got the highest minimum wage in the country. You really need to get out more.

[DemDem07]

16. Go right ahead

I baled straw last summer for $8 an hour and ran the mow by myself while two high schoolers fed the elevator. I'm nearly forty BTW. If farm workers were paid $10 an hour there would be a waiting list.

[BOSSHOG]

18. Okay if were gonna reminicse

My junior and senior year in high school (71-72) me and my buddy and my 51 Chevy pickup bucked hay and stacked it in barns for a nickel a bale. That would be 400 bales for 8 bucks divided by two plus the wear and tear on my ole pickemup truck, so top that.

Who would be in that waiting list? Ya mean if there were a higher wage, non-immigrants would be attracted to such employment? I wonder if that extra cost would be passed on to the consumer?

[DemDem07]

26. LAST YEAR! Is that loud enough?

Try to stay in the here and now. $8 bucks an hour for some hot back breaking work, that I actually love to do.

Yes non immigrants would be on the waiting list, and no, it's not a given that all of the cost would be passed on to the consumer. The cost would be cut from the fat of shareholder profit and executive salary if they wanted to compete. See the Kraft example above for any more questions you may have.

Not every Wall Street talking point is actually based in reality.

[BOSSHOG]

35. Wait a minute you said you drove the tractor

That's not back breaking. Why way back when I drove the tractor it wasn't. And you are right, some of those executive bonuses have been slashed to the tens of millions. And its a fact in the library of congress, the only reason business' exist is to cut shareholder profit and wack away at executive salaries. Why I think I'll drive down to New Orleans or Biloxi tomorrow and watch all those lazy Mexicans work their asses off rebuilding the coast then read the letters to the editor insisting they all be "rounded up" and shipped out. Then what? Oh I know, the flag wavers will roll up their sleeves and finish the job. Why would I even think otherwise?

[sandnsea]

36. One doesn't equate to the other

Just because there are Mexicans doing jobs, doesn't mean there are NOT white people doing most of the same jobs. One can advocate for BOTH white Walmart workers AND Mexicans, can't they?? Why can't you get it through your head that you can't disrespect low income workers and expect them to listen to a thing you have to say?

I note you haven't responded to the actual jobs and pay that I posted, jobs open right this minute at less than $10 hr.

[BOSSHOG]

38. I'm disrespecting low income workers?

that's funny. Why should I respond to something irrrelevant to my argument? Conservatives hate immigrants. They want to "round" them up and get rid of them. (I guess we just snap our fingers for that to happen.) Those who hate irrationally don't think things through, they just whine about the unforseen consequences of their wishes and find another group to hate.

[sandnsea]

43. The whole thread does

Guffaw, snicker, snort - menial labor is only for minorities. You really ought to hear yourselves, everybody in this thread. It isn't pretty.

[DemDem07]

37. Not the mower or baler, the mow.

"Up in the barn" for you city folk.
http://www.sheboygan-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=U0&Date=20070428&Category=SHENEWS&ArtNo=704280803&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=16
The rest of your inane comments aren't worth the wasted kilobytes to respond.

[BOSSHOG]

40. Thanks

Although I'm truly disappointed that you give up so easily. Maybe I should just go out and kick some immigrants ass so you'd feel better of me.

[DemDem07]

52. You're the one who has given up on the American worker pal.

I have no problem with immigrants, so you need to find a different spin to lose your argument, okay?

[sandnsea]

27. Here. Look.

This is where the 40% of Americans who earn less than $11.00 an hour work.

http://www.cardinal-services.com/AvailableJobs.asp

[Alhena]

11. How does Australia manage its own affairs?

Australia has very limited migration, and the immigration they have is mainly highly educated/skilled migration. Yet I'm not aware of any crisis of unmade hotel beds or unharvested crops in Australia- they are one of the largest agricultural exporting countries in the world.

I favor some sort of pragmatic comprehensive immigration solution because deportation is unrealistic. But I disagree with the notion that we can't do our own work.

[BOSSHOG]

12. Okee-DOkee

I'll give ya the same deal as in post 10, thanks.

[BOSSHOG]

21. I like the Australian angle

Let me jump right in here. You said they have limited migration. Maybe that would mean that the locals had to do the work themselves, no one doing it for less money spoiling the locals. I think we can do our own work too, but we won't for what we are paying immigrants and we must not whine and cry when prices go up (as I have implied bush supporters would.)

[frankenforpres]

44. white women when i was there

dont really take tips either


i tried leaving tips out, and they would just move them


when i tried to give them a tip, they took it, but it was akward

[sutz12]

19. Nope....if you get rid of the 'cheap labor'...

They will buy machines to do it. :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Conservatives won't clean the old cars off their front lawns.

Why would they want to clean motel rooms?

[BOSSHOG]

23. Why do you hate America?

Those cars are art forms. And daddy needs a place to crash when mommy finds him in Hazels room.

[Catherine Vincent]

25. I agree with what you said.

And as far as cleaning motel rooms,why don't kids in college take those jobs? Or jobs working in a cafeteria etc. Those jobs seem to be flexible and they should have time to study. Imo,those type of jobs a lot of Americans turn their nose up at them because they don't want to do them. They think it's beneath them. I hate to say it but it's true. And I guarantee you if there is some kind of depression, they would gladly do those jobs for payment.

[AndreaCG]

29. I doubt those hours are flexible

Or conducive to most full time college students' hours. You need to clean the rooms in the daytime. Most kids have classes then.

I worked in the dining hall most of the time I was in college. That's where the majority of on-campus students work. Those are flexible hours.

[sandnsea]

32. Summer jobs

When the tourists come. College kids STILL do alot of those jobs in tourist towns.

[sandnsea]

31. They do here

All my kids did them. Most kids in town did them. Many still do them, it's how they support their families. See thread above "Here. Look." Cardinal handles about 1/3 of the employment in my town. I/d say 3/4 of the jobs pay wages just like that. And the median rent is $600, median home price $200,000. People better get a clue how it is for nearly half the country.

[ieoeja]

46. I, for one, wouldn't hire them.

First year as a computer programmer I took a night job -- didn't realize how expense Chicago would be -- as a dishwasher in a wealthy suburb. All the other dishwashers, bus boys and wait staff were local high school kids. For these kids this was a temporary job they didn't want but were forced by daddy to take. And it showed in their work. They were horrible.

Noticing what a difference a decent worker made in the dish room, the managers asked my advice on how to fix the other areas. I had seen quite a few adults asking for job apps while I was there and suggested they start hiring grown ups. I can't tell you how much better that place started to run.

[Ken Burch]

41. I don't WANT Rush Limbaugh touching anything I eat, thank you very much

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[zulchzulu]

42. I think Pat Robertson's university is doing roofing training now...

I kid...

[Name removed]

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[Hollow Shells]

53. My guess is that

We will use prisoners and perhaps registered sex offenders who have a hard time getting jobs elsewhere.