we currently live in a fascist dictatorship

[Lerkfish]

I realize most of us know that, but recent events prove that conclusively.
The lack of spine by the dems to set a timetable, the refusal of the white house to produce DOJ documents, the arrogance and contempt any administration official treats congress...


we're screwn.

[unpossibles]

1. if only the rest of America (the masochistic third and the ambivalent third)

knew they were screwed too, we could actually do something about it.

[global1]

2. Even President Carter is Backpedaling Off Of His Statement That Bush....

is the worst president ever. The Dems backed down. What is this power that the WH holds over these people?

[snappyturtle]

6. THANK YOU!

I about gagged when I heard the repeat of what Carter said! WHY did he reply at all? I was jumping up and down with glee the day before that FINALLY someone had told this president how bad he is!!!!

YES--what is IT that the WH holds over these people? (Maybe they lose their spot in the bunker when the big one comes!)

[truth2power]

47. I really wish

that someone would address the issue of what kind of hold the WH has. I mean in a rational manner. I've seen nothing...read nothing...that makes sense as to why Dems won't stand up to these execrable criminals.

I can't think of anything except that either they or their families have been threatened. And even then, why can't someone blow the whistle on this?

[iconocrastic]

50. I and 7 friends paid $100 each to buy 2 haircuts for John Edwards.

No wonder we're losing.

[Kelvin Mace]

10. It is the mainstream media who make any critic

of BushCo look like a traitor.

[TheWatcher]

20. They are merely following orders

O'Reilly can get on National TV and call for the arrest of anyone who disagrees or questions the government, yet if YOU present an opposing opinion, even a generic one, you are labeled a traitor.

[TheWatcher]

15. The White House holds no pwer over them.

They share it. They are enablers.

The Political Game in this country is, for lack of a better word, a sham.

It will fall to We The People to do something.

And as I am afraid many of you have observed, We The People are either still caught up in the fantasy that we still have a functioning government, or are too addicted to their comfort, bobbles and trinkets to be bothered with boring concepts like Freedom, Liberty, and The Pursuit Of Happiness.

What's on American Idol?

[bdamomma]

43. The Dems should not have backed down, they had the support of the

American people I would have loved to see this little man of pResident have a another temper tantrum, he has had his way to long, he is a criminal what don't these Senators get?

[Jeroen]

3. Always look on the bright side

soon, you no longer have to think anymore

[Bullet1987]

5. If this next election is stolen by another Rethug...

...then yea, I'll say I agree. But until then...no.

[baldguy]

38. Show me where the Constitution says the USSC gets to pick the President.

[TheWatcher]

21. About a third of the population no longer does anyway.

If you want to see what our mentality will look like eventually, watch the movie "Idiocracy."

The funniest movie you won't be able to laugh at.

Because it will scare you to death.

[Jeroen]

23. Thanks, I will n/t

[rudy23]

4. All we need now is an attack, hurricane, or some other type of "catastrophe", and it's official!

It will no longer be a theory by us political junkies, it will be a cold, hard reality. No Congress, no courts, no agencies, no elections, no more America.

[TheWatcher]

19. Most would be shocked to find out that the theory has already become reality.

But an event will allow them to finally take the mask off.

[Nederland]

7. Think you could write that post

...in a fascist dictatorship?

Unless you get arrested in the next 24 hours, your own post proves you wrong.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. Beg to differ

Hitler didn't clamp down on the opposition all at once. He started as Bush started, then escalated.

Currently, if you exercise your First Amendment rights, you are subject to arrest, to loss of job and/or harassment by fellow citizens.

Your right to habeas corpus has been rescinded, as had your right to trial by jury, right to face your accusers, your right to the presumption of innocence, and your 8th Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment.

Your mail, email, and telephone calls may be intercepted without a warrant. Your house may be entered without a warrant to place wiretaps, your medical, financial, and business records may be examined without a warrant.

I'm sorry, but how is this NOT a police state?

[The Magistrate]

27. On the Historical Reference, Mr. Mace

You are inaccurate. There was a certain logistical delay in arresting and torturing certain categories, but the police repression was embarked on from the outset, to the very limit of organizational ability to carry it out, and indeed, that this would occur had been loudly advertised, and even demonstrated by murder gangs, well in advance of taking power over the German state.

[Thothmes]

32. Police State

The fact that you are sitting at your keyboard making these statement tends to indicate that the Police State you speak of does not exist to the degree that you would have us believe.

[Kelvin Mace]

33. Uh, so unless

the police arrests all dissenters (which by my count would be several million at this point), we must live in a free society?

You don't believe that the loss of trial by jury, the presumption of innocence, the loss of habeas corpus, mass illegal wiretaps, openly trying to rig elections, and a complete disregard for the rule of law is evidence of a police state?

[TheWatcher]

37. When he is on a mythical Boxcar heading for a camp, he'll believe it.

Won't he be shocked when he learns it doesn't work that way anymore.

That was the old marketing of the product.

This is all new marketing, but it's the same product.

[Morgana LaFey]

51. here's the deal -- why upset the populace unnecessarily IF you

can get everything you want, when you want it, while the people are placated and believe they are living in a democracy?

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” -Aldus Huxley, Brave New World


Why rock the boat when the boat goes exactly where you want it to at all times?

[Dhalgren]

11. Not necessarily. It would only be a crime, if such statements

had any bearing on the Dictatorship. Besides in this particular Dictatorship, the citizens have free speech, because it doesn't make any difference what anyone says. Why should the Leader worry about what you or I might say? It is the person with some modicum of power that is precluded from speaking out or the person with some information or bit of evidence that can't be explained away (Sybil Edmonds). This is a modern Dictatorship, in an electronic, techno era. You can say whatever you want - it is of no consequence. If it should become of consequence, then you will be silenced.

You see, whoever controls America controls the only superpower. In the past, every Dictator had to worry about other counties that might try and intervene in its affairs. Other countries that might try and support insurgents or revolutionaries and thereby threaten the Dictatorship. Not so in our situation. Citizens can scream bloody murder and so what? Nothing, that's what. Who we gonna' call? Nobody...

[Lerkfish]

12. wow, that's an incredible proof that I'm wrong.

what an absolute test: unless I'm arrested, we aren't in a dictatorship.
wow. you must be really smart.

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[Kelly Rupert]

16. Ah, the power of the positive feedback loop,

leading to a social environment in which the one who doesn't godwin is considered a troll.

[TheWatcher]

18. Not necessarily a troll.

Just not very awake.

[Zodiak]

25. Godwin's law breaks down

A. When the comparison is apt

B. When the issue at hand is fascism, not nazi-ism

[Kelvin Mace]

35. Excellent point!

The camps are being built, we just haven't made much use of them yet.

Give Bush time.

[TheWatcher]

17. No he is not.

But when he finally wakes up, it will be far too late.

Ironically, he will probably be one of the weak who give in and serve it, and end up turning on the rest of us.

[Name removed]

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[Kelvin Mace]

34. You noticed that too?

That is the silliest goddamn thing I ever heard of.

No wonder Bush gets away with the shit he does. Even here people are completely out of touch with reality.

For my next prediction: Bush declares a national emergency in Oct '08 and cancels elections.

I am sure that even then people will tell me that we still live in a democracy.

[Quantess]

48. Read his post again. He isn't completely disagreeing with you.

He's just presenting a different, very interesting angle.

[Lerkfish]

49. er...I read it again, and he's completely disagreeing with me.

not sure what you're reading.

[Zodiak]

24. logical fallacy

a priori conclusion.

Arresting someone for typing on the internet is not the definition of fascism, but nice try at conflating the issue to keep people asleep.

[Kelvin Mace]

8. I have been saying that we live in

a de-facto police state since the "Patriot Act" was passed. I predicted that it would lead to warrantless wiretapping and pretty much all the other abuses we have seen thus far. For some reason this is considered an extreme position by politicians.

[Zodiak]

26. Stating the obvious has become a mindcrime

look at Ron Paul. Our government and the corporate media went after him like a pack of pirahnas for quoting the 9/11 Commision Report.

That old 9/11 report is Newspeak v.2.3

The Republicans are on Newspeak v.5.5

Ron Paul does not have the current newspeak version, therefore he is in league with Emmanual Goldstein and Eurasia.

[TheWatcher]

14. I only disagree with ONE of your points Lerkfish.

I no longer believe, as far as the Democrats are concerned, that it is a lack of spine. They are enablers. And THAT is why we are truly screwn.

Otherwise, as usual, you are dead on.

[Lerkfish]

28. thanks for the clarification

I do believe that sounds more accurate.

[Kelvin Mace]

36. All they care about is winning elections

They think they will lose if they don't give Bush his money.

We need to show them they lost when they did.

[RandomKoolzip]

29. Really? I thought we were an autonomous collective.

[Lerkfish]

30. like this one?

[RandomKoolzip]

31. No - like this one:

[Cerridwen]

39. K & R

I couldn't have said it better myself

It seems word is getting out.

[Lerkfish]

41. excellent link!

well done.

[Cerridwen]

42. Thank you. You, too - well done.

Getting the word out a voice at a time.

[illinoisprogressive]

40. I think both Bush and Cheney will fry in hell.

[bdamomma]

44. I hope so too, with all their ignorance and arrogance eating up their

insides.

[Kelvin Mace]

45. My only regret about being an atheist

is that I know Hell doesn't exist.

[pampango]

46. It's off to North Korea for me. The Great Leader knows how to run

a country. ;) I know, I know, it's a communist dictatorship, but you don't see a bunch of people complaining about life there, do you?