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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:03 AM
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Clinton won't take no for an answer. Urges Pentagon to plan Iraq withdrawal
Sen. Clinton urges Pentagon to plan Iraq withdrawal

May 23, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is pushing the Pentagon to quickly produce a plan for the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq.

Military leaders have avoided discussing whether or not they have such a plan. But Iraqi military officials are reportedly preparing for a quick US pullout, just in case.

The New York Democrat and presidential candidate met privately with Joint Chiefs Chairman General Peter Pace late yesterday, and has sent a public letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates urging military leaders to begin such planning, if they haven't done so already.

Clinton says the Pentagon should brief lawmakers to assure them that a withdrawal can go ahead without "unnecessary danger." She adds that if no plans exist, then the Pentagon should explain why.

Clinton has been taking heat from rival Democrats to make her position on a withdrawal deadline clear.

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=6557459

...Iraq is preparing for our withdrawal. Hillary forcing the hand of Pentagon to submit a plan..At least she's trying another way around the Republicans that won't give us a Veto Proof majority.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:07 AM
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1. That's her plan: ask the Pentagon to come up with a plan?
Why doesn't she set a deadline or co-sponsor the original deadline and work to get it passed by Congress? She should also sponsor Feingold's funding bill.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:10 AM
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3. It was Feingold's Bill, I believe that was defeated yesterday.
Edited on Wed May-23-07 11:13 AM by Tellurian
which she did support..

"Clinton sided with 28 other senators who lost a procedural vote on the measure offered by Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis. The amendment would have cut off money for combat operations after March 2008."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:18 AM
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5. She's not one of the 11 co-sponsors
S.AMDT.1098
Amends: H.R.1495 , S.AMDT.1097
Sponsor: Sen Feingold, Russell D. (submitted 5/14/2007) (proposed 5/14/2007)
AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To provide for a transition of the Iraq mission.

Sen Reid, Harry - 5/14/2007
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. - 5/14/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon - 5/14/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. - 5/14/2007
Sen Sanders, Bernard - 5/14/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. - 5/14/2007
Sen Wyden, Ron - 5/15/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard - 5/16/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. - 5/16/2007
Sen Boxer, Barbara - 5/16/2007
Sen Harkin, Tom - 5/16/2007

Twenty-nine Democrats voted for the bill. She should add her name and work to get it passed. Hillary voted for a timetable, but then changed her mind, which is why the last sentence in the OP states: "Clinton has been taking heat from rival Democrats to make her position on a withdrawal deadline clear."

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:24 AM
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8. Hillary supported Feingold's Bill and voted with them yesterday..
why are you playing the smoke and mirrors game?

Hillary voted along with 28 senators yesterday for Feingold's Bill, as stated in post #3..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:37 AM
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10. The vote wasn't yesterday,
it was May 16. It was a vote on cloture, but she said she voted to have a debate and wouldn't commit to a timetable.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:46 AM
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12. Ok.. If the Iraq military is planning for a quick withdrawal..
something is going on that we're not aware of is happening. March 08' might be too far off a date for the troop withdrawal. Apparently, Hillary is looking for a date much sooner than next year and is trying to make it happen.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 12:46 PM
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16. Yeah - we saw how she tried to make it happen last June when she spoke AGAINST
Edited on Wed May-23-07 12:47 PM by blm
a withdrawal bill with a timetable - ANY timetable - back then.

Gee - what changed her mind? Having to sell her real view that there should be no timetable was not going to be easy during her primary campaign appearances.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 12:13 PM
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14. A bit more information..
Agreement near on Iraq bill with no deadline

By David Espo -
May 22, 2007

WASHINGTON AP — Flinching in the face of a veto threat, Democratic congressional leaders neared agreement with the Bush administration Tuesday on legislation to pay for the Iraq war without a troop withdrawal timeline.

Several officials said the emerging compromise would cost about $120 billion, including as much as $8 billion for Democratic domestic priorities — originally resisted by the White House — such as disaster relief for Hurricane Katrina victims and farmers hurt by drought.

After a bruising veto struggle over the war, congressional leaders in both political parties said they hoped the compromise would be cleared for President Bush’s signature by Friday.

In power less than five months, Democrats swiftly vowed to renew their challenge to Bush’s war policies this summer.

“We’re going to continue our battle — and that’s what it is — to represent the American people like they want us to represent them, to change the course of the war in Iraq,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Top lawmakers in both parties claimed victory in the bill that was taking shape after secretive negotiations.

Bush “won’t get a blank check,” said Reid. He and other Democrats pointed to a provision setting standards for the Iraqi government to meet in developing a more democratic society. U.S. reconstruction aid would be conditioned on progress toward meeting the goals, but Bush would have authority to order the money to be spent regardless of how the government in Baghdad performed.

Republicans said that after weeks of struggle, they had forced Democrats to give up their demand for a troop withdrawal timetable.

“I’m optimistic that we will achieve the following: a full four-month funding bill without surrender dates. I think there’s a good chance of that,” said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, added, “Democrats have finally conceded defeat in their effort to include mandatory surrender dates in a funding bill for the troops, so forward progress has been made for the first time in this four-month process.”

But Republicans agreed to concessions, as well, in terms of billions of dollars in domestic spending that Democrats wrung from them and the administration. Republican leaders had hoped to persuade the White House to make a tougher stand against the Democratic demands, but it appeared that they were undercut by the desire of the GOP rank and file for money for farmers and others.

Officials said the final details of the measure remained in flux. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi intended to present the proposal to her rank and file at an evening meeting.

In all, officials said the measure included about $17 billion more than Bush initially requested. Of the $17 billion, about $9 billion would go for defense-related items and veterans’ health care. The balance would be for other domestic programs.

The bill would also include the first increase in the federal minimum wage in more than a decade. Both the House and Senate have passed measures raising the current level of $5.15 an hour to $7.25 an hour in three separate 70-cent increases over 26 months. Those measures included modest tax breaks, mainly aimed at helping businesses that hire low-skilled or handicapped workers.

The Iraq war has dominated the early months of the Congress that took office in January, as majority Democrats promised to pressure Bush to change course. While Republicans have largely backed Bush, they, too, have grown nervous over the prospect of supporting a war that is increasingly costly and unpopular with the public.

The collision led to a veto of legislation that contained a timeline for a troop withdrawal. The House failed to override the veto, and that led to negotiations involving the administration and key lawmakers in both houses.

While agreement on legislation appeared close, it was not clear whether either Pelosi or Reid would vote for the war funding. Democrats in the House were discussing the possibility of breaking the legislation into two pieces, one containing war money and the other billions for domestic programs.

That would allow anti-war Democrats, possibly including Pelosi, to vote against money for military operations and allow the bill to pass on the strength of Republican support. Democrats would then vote for the second bill.

Under this scenario, the two bills would be merged into one in the Senate, leaving Reid and other war critics without the luxury of opposing part and supporting part of the spending.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/ap_fundingbill_070522/
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:09 AM
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2. In light of the hardliner Republicans failing to give us a Veto Proof majority..
Hillary is appealing to the military to at least have a plan in place to get our troops home quickly if necessary.

Bush has us in a Catch 22 situation. Can't blame the Democrats for the not having the votes. Republican's allegiance is to Bush not to our country or to their constituency and there the problem lies.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:19 AM
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6. My problem is: if Hillary (or Obama or Biden or Dodd) can't ever convince a majority
of their fellow Senators to vote for important - - often popular bills - - what makes anybody think they'll suddenly develop this skill once they're President? How are they going to get their important legislation through Congress? It's not a given that we'll have a super majority from 2009 through 2013 which will make the President's negotiating/team building skills irrelevant. It's not even a given that we'll have a Democratic President elected in 2009.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:21 AM
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7. Convince a Republican to vote against Bush?
there are only a handfull that will vote with the Dems against Bush.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:18 AM
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4. How did she vote yesterday?
Was she part of the "Gang of Traitors"?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:26 AM
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9. Hillary voted in support of Feingold's Bill yesterday
along with 28 others..There just isn't a 2/3 majority to over ride Bush's Veto..

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 12:12 PM
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13. If Hillary means it, then she should vote against the war funding bill as Kucinich has
Otherwise she is just blowing hot air out of her big ass.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 12:19 PM
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15. When it comes to derogatory HOT AIR..
Theres nobody better than you!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:24 PM
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17. Is Hillary going to vote to strip the oil law provision from bill?
Is she going to vote against the war funding bill?

All you got is Hillary's charade of appearing to oppose the war while laying in bed with the war profiteers.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:58 PM
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18. Leave your phone # here and I'll have her call you!
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 02:22 PM
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21. You have her number?
Do you work for her or something?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 04:35 PM
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22. In other words, she ain't gonna do shit about it!
She is part of the faux antiwar charade!
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 02:21 PM
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20. Feingold, Edwards, Kucinich have come out against funding Bush's war
Why hasn't HRC? She continues to demonstrate why she is a fickle follower by not even stating an opinion on the matter.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 04:39 PM
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23. Hillary supports the goals of the war: control of Iraq's oil, protect Israel, buffer to Iran
Hillary's opposition is not to the war, but to Bush's handling of it. This is why Hillary told those adoring irrational pro-Likudniks in AIPAC that the US needed to keep troops and bases in Iraq to protect the oil, Israel, and defend against Iran.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:55 PM
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24. Yep. Guess Jr. isn't the only one hell-bent on rewriting history.
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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 02:12 PM
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19. Maybe If She Brings Them A Nice Cake ...
Maybe if she brings those over at the pentagon a nice cake, they will get over their confusion about why she keeps giving them money to go fight a war and then asks them to stop out of the other side of her mouth.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:45 AM
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25. That's her problem ...
Bush vetoes additional funding and Hillary just can't take it. :crazy:
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