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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:23 PM
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Generals can't fight for peace! Whites can't fight racial inequality! The rich can't fight poverty!
Edwards fighting to eliminate poverty is no more hypocritical than Gen. Clark opposing the war or Hillary fighting for racial equality or Obama fighting for equal rights for gays.

We are smart enough to reject the right-wing argument that an ex-General lacks standing to campaign for peace, and a white candidate lacks the standing to advocate against racial discrimination, and a male candidate with an apparently ideal marriage to his female wife lacks standing to fight for gays to enjoy unions with the same legal status church-wedding marriages.

Why are we not smart enough to understand that a rich man does not lack the standing to fight against poverty?

Wealth didn't stop Carter, Johnson, or FDR from fighting for the poor. Why can't people get their heads around Edwards's advocacy to eliminate the harshest effects of poverty in America?

If ever there was a practical every-day political IQ test, this is it.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:24 PM
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1. The free can't fight slavery! . . . Oh, wait . . . n/t
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 02:00 PM
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2. to the average Repblican "mind" this is true
but completely ridiculous.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 02:04 PM
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3. Anyone is qualified to fight for whatever they feel is important to fight for......
Edited on Wed May-23-07 02:13 PM by FrenchieCat
I don't think that is the issue, nor should it be. It is not about what one chooses to fight "for" inasmuch as how does one actually fight their fights; when was the fighting done, and what were one's various motives in standing up and fighting.

Gen. Clark fought against Genocide, questioned going into Iraq......but he has also fought for Racial equality, equal rights for gays, energy independence AND poverty!


The Anti-Poverty Candidate
People who know me intimately know that I’m pretty passionate about ending poverty. I’ll get teary-eyed when I spit out sad statistics, curse efforts that increase poverty, curse when common sense solutions are ignored, and ask most politicians I meet pointed questions on poverty.......

.....I have met Wes Clark. And, yes, I asked him one of my impassioned and pointed questions on poverty. What really surprised me was that he skipped the talk about what poverty is like–sparing me details that I’m quite aware of–and jumped right into the meat of possible solutions. I’m not one to be overly impressed with famous politicians–after all, I am a couple minute walk from more than one Nobel Laureate–but I was struck by his candor and his depth of knowledge on practical solutions. We talked about community and neighborhood based financial planning programs, microcredit, fair trade policy and national cultural impediments. A far cry from “we can do better”. That he was willing to discuss some of the hurdles in addressing this issue demonstrated that he knows what he’s talking about.

I won’t enumerate or elaborate the solutions discussed right now–I’ll save that for after he announces–but I just want to mention that as a person who cares very deeply about reducing poverty, Wes Clark is my clear choice as the anti-poverty candidate. Not platitudes, but practical solutions. Not just hope, but tangible solutions.
http://stanforddemocrats.blogspot.com/2007/02/anti-poverty-candidate.html



Amicus Brief To the United States Supreme Court,
February 19, 2003
Based on decades of experience, amici have concluded that a highly qualified, racially diverse officer corps educated and trained to command our nation’s racially diverse enlisted ranks is essential to the military’s ability to fulfill its principal mission to provide national security.

The primary sources for the nation’s officer corps are the service academies and the ROTC, the latter comprised of students already admitted to participating colleges and universities. At present, the military cannot achieve an officer corps that is both highly qualified and racially diverse unless the service academies and the ROTC use limited race-conscious recruiting and admissions policies.
http://www.texasforclark.com/affirmative.htm

Wavecrest - the company Clark started after he retired....
But right now, General Clark wants to talk about bicycles.
The retired general has been devoting much of his time to running a company making a new kind of electric motor that does not require gears or a transmission, but uses computer algorithms to maximize torque and efficiency. The company, WaveCrest Laboratories of Dulles, Va., hopes to put these motors into hybrid gas-electric cars or even hydrogen-powered fuel-cell cars one day.

http://greenspeed.us/wesley_clark.htm

Endorsement by the Washington Blade (largest Gay Newspaper) - http://www.aegis.com/news/wb/2004/WB040109.html

Saddam’s capture doesn’t sway Clark - http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/clark/articles/2003/12/17/capture_doesnt_sway_clark/

WESLEY CLARK SLAMS MEDIA CONSOLIDATION
"I don't think it is in the American public interest to further consolidate the media." Answering this reporter's question, the candidate said media consolidation "is damaging to putting out diverse opinions and fostering public dialogue. ... We need to distribute the ownership in media. We need to have the fairness in broadcasting rules put back in place."
http://www.fradical.com/Presidential_candidate_slams_media_violence.htm

In 2002...

While politicians were busy being "misled" by Bush, Clark was predicting the future.

"The war is unpredictable and could be difficult and costly. And what is at risk in the aftermath is an open-ended American ground commitment in Iraq and an even deeper sense of humiliation in the Arab world, which could intensify our problems in the region and elsewhere."

"we're going to have chaos in that region. We may not get control of all the weapons of mass destruction, technicians, plans, capabilities; in fact, what may happen is that we'll remove a repressive regime and have it replaced with a fundamentalist regime which contributes to the strategic problem rather than helping to solve it."

"Then we're dealing with the longer mid term, the mid term problems. Will Iraq be able to establish a government that holds it together or will it fragment? There are strong factionary forces at work in Iraq and they will continue to be exacerbated by regional tensions in the area. The Shia in the south will be pulled by the Iranians.

"We've encouraged Saddam Hussein and supported him as he attacked against Iran in an effort to prevent Iranian destabilization of the Gulf. That came back and bit us when Saddam Hussein then moved against Kuwait. We encouraged the Saudis and the Pakistanis to work with the Afghans and build an army of God, the mujahaddin, to oppose the Soviets in Afghanistan. Now we have released tens of thousands of these Holy warriors, some of whom have turned against us and formed Al Qaida.

My French friends constantly remind me that these are problems that we had a hand in creating. So when it comes to creating another strategy, which is built around the intrusion into the region by U.S. forces, all the warning signs should be flashing. There are unintended consequences when force is used. Use it as a last resort. Use it multilaterally if you can. Use it unilaterally only if you must."
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2007/01/mining_and_finding_prescient_g.html



Rethinking General Wesley Clark - The Left made a big mistake in 2004
http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?id=627&ARCHIVAL=TRUE






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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 03:04 PM
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4. Great Post.!
If I do say so myself! :rofl:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:13 AM
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12. Slick. (nt)
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:33 PM
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6. Judging from post # 4, you're developing quite a fan club!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:38 PM
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8. You've got that right! But
at least I kicked your Thread.....
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:41 PM
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9. I never look a gift kick in the mouth & I'm stealing your idea of responding "good post" to my posts
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:00 PM
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5. Edwards isn't a hypocrite because he's rich
We may laugh at his silly little acts of ostentation, but really don't hold against him the right to spend the money that he's earned however he might choose.

No, Edwards' problem isn't that he's rich, but that he's a total fraud. He claimed to be working against poverty, but took a pretty good salary from his poverty center, and huge fees to lecture as part of the center's work. The center itself never really accomplished anything, and was never intended to -- it only hired three people (one of them Edwards). Fully one half of his travel with the poverty center, counted by days, were to Iowa and New Hampshire. He also traveled to several early primary states with large Native American populations and never ONCE spoke with the tribal leaders. And then there's the FACT that he didn't do one damn thing about poverty when he was in the Senate, even in the years when Democrats were in control.

It's like apologizing for his IWR vote. Purely a political calculation and nothing more.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:36 PM
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7. Zing!!
:applause:
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:54 PM
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10. The haircut police will never understand ...
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:06 AM
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11. I agree, but that doesn't make it good PR or a smart way to run a campaign
I don't think he's a hypocite, he has every right to spend the money he's earned in any fashion he wishes.

Its just stupid politics to be the self proclaimed anti-poverty candidate, and then go out and charge your campaign $400 for a haircut or claim you took a job at a hedge fund to learn about poverty.

I'm sure he has the best intentions and is devoted to his causes, but anyone with their head on straight must admit that Mr. Edwards has made some major gaffes thus far.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:09 AM
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13. Noblesse oblige and old world Christian beliefs are the foundation
for the rich taking care of the poor.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 09:58 AM
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14. If you are going to bring noblesse oblige and Christianity into the issue, the biblical accounts of
Jesus' teaching confirm that it is not only the rich who should take care of the poor. Everyone, including the poor neighbors of the poor, are exhorted to take care of the poor:

"How does God’s love abide in anyone who has the world’s goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help? Little children, let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action."

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:45 AM
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15. I've lived in poor neighborhoods and I've lived in rich neighborhoods.
Actually, I grew up on a military base where my section was composed of mostly inter-racial relationships (hispanic-white). Yes, there were problem people, and yes, our community is written up like it was a ghetto by everybody else's account who never lived there, but, there was a better community there, than in the rich community where neighbor steals from neighbor in all kinds of devious ways.

So, the poor never have to be reminded that they should be kind to their neighbors. It's just common sense, unless you want to create bad will for yourself.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:16 AM
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16. I also lived in a very, very poor neighborhood (ethnically, it was mostly black; religiously, it was
mostly Islamic).

That is an experience which has informed my views on poverty.
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