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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:20 PM
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Obama's statement on the War
Barack Obama told reporters today that he wanted to first read the bill before making any statements or a decision.
Keeping line with his usual thoughtfullness, he will get his information and facts together first.
It is not his style to go off on something without first finding out his information.
so, we will see tomorrow what he will do
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Heath Hatcher Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:22 PM
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1. Knowing Obama he will vote the bill down
Because since he's such a smart person he will know that the bill crap and we can do much much better. If he's dosen't he's nothing to me.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:25 PM
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2. I am hoping he does not disappoint.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:26 PM
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3. He won't vote for that crap. I doubt Hillary will either.
It's just too lame.
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ValiantBlue Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:35 PM
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5. Obama and Clinton are moderates.
So there is a possibility they do vote in favor of this bill. Or they could go the other way and oppose this bill. We shall see.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:35 PM
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13. Appeasing Bush is a conservative position. Not a moderate one.
Welcome to DU!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:31 AM
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20. "Obama is a moderate" - What a stupid and ignorant statement.
Sounds like someone that supports a weak candidate.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:32 PM
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4. "Keeping line with his usual thoughtfullness" = checking the overnight polling data
Which way is the wind blowing in Illinois tonight?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:40 PM
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6. Hillary doesn't do that?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:49 PM
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8. Apparently they both do.
If you don't know where you stand at this point, how the fuck do you expect to lead a country?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:52 PM
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12. You are exactly right
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:50 PM
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10. Almost NO Democrat or Independent like this bill...
It is the most unpopular bill out right now...I doubt either of them vote for it simply because it'll make them look bad and lose favorability.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:22 AM
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19. She & Obama both do - and neither will be my "leader"
The leader I want knows the difference between right and wrong without having to take a poll to find out and knows the right answer instantly.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:48 PM
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7. Both Hillary and Obama are giving me acid flashbacks
about Gen Pace saying homosexuality is immoral. Anyone else getting that feeling that they both need to talk to a focus group before speaking publicly about this funding vote?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:49 PM
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9. Thinking before acting is good, you know?
Impulsiveness leads to poor decisions.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 09:51 PM
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11. Then don't look here...nt
Edited on Wed May-23-07 09:51 PM by SaveElmer
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:07 PM
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25. They both should have thought about it before now
It's not like this was a gop bill "sprung" on them in the dark. Just like the gay issue.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:06 PM
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14. Obama should have been fighting *against* this "compromise" from the start.
Edited on Wed May-23-07 11:36 PM by w4rma
This is worse than any IWR bill ever was.

And it is slick wishy-washy statements like that which prevent me from voting for Obama in the primary.

Like someone said above, how can Obama lead if he *still* doesn't know where he stands on this?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:10 PM
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15. This seems to be the only thing he has ever said on the issue of capitulation
Edited on Wed May-23-07 11:10 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Granted, this is from April 1st.

==Given that Bush is determined to veto a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, Congress has little realistic choice but to approve money for the war, Obama said.

"I think that nobody wants to play chicken with our troops on the ground," said Obama.
"I do think a majority of the Senate has now expressed the belief that we need to change course in Iraq.

"Obviously we're constrained by the fact that a commander in chief who also has veto power has the option of ignoring that position," Obama said.==

==The senator said it is up to war opponents to be vocal about their position.

"If the president vetoes this, the American people have to continue to put pressure on their representatives so that at some point we may be able to get a veto-proof majority for moving this war in a different direction," the senator said.==

He seems to have the Biden position on this which relies on there not being a veto-proof majority as an excuse for capitulating. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-04-01-obama_N.htm
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:33 AM
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16. wise up
They are both politicians, trying to see what is best for them and their long term objectives. The vote will be telling, both of them could take themselves out of the race. - Think about that, a wrong vote fucks you forever! Your life long goal is over. Anyway at some point (depending upon the vote) one of them will have to take a leadership position and get out in front of an issue. There will be plenty of opportunities, to take that roll, but now is not the time.

As a side, it is even money that Hillary takes herself out tomorrow. Obama will live to see another day.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:52 AM
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22. For the inexperienced it could be a deciding factor.. For the seasoned...not so much!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:47 AM
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21. It would have been better if Obama had the guts to flat out blame the Republicans ....
for not giving us a veto proof majority; rather than throwing the towel in and waving the white flag on the Democratic Party. Those words coming from Obama, on national tv were as traitorous to the Dem Party as any that I've heard from a Republican with RW speak. I'm still waiting for him apologize to us for that inappropriate comment.

2 :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:11 AM
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17. Really That is why
Is that the reason why you plan on voting for Edwards? Because Edwards had the facts just like Durbin and yet he voted for the war. Your explanations does not hold water. Unless your decisions are wishy washy as well. They are depended on what your candidate does?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:15 AM
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18. Personally, I THINK All Of The Democratic Candidates Should Make
their vote and resons WHY known ASAP!
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:11 AM
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23. Some of them are too busy sifting through the focus group and polling data to do that
;)
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:24 AM
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24. AAAHHH, But Of Course! n/t
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