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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:01 PM
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Dem Leadership: If We'd Confronted Bush On Iraq, White House Would Have Criticized Us
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http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/may/24/dem_leadership

Dem Leadership: If We'd Confronted Bush On Iraq, White House Would Have Criticized Us
By Greg Sargent | bio

With the House set to vote on the no-timelines Iraq War funding bill later today, The New York Times provides a glimpse into the thinking among top Dems that led to the current proposal:

...in recounting the leadership’s thinking, senior Democrats and other officials said that by early this week they had concluded there was no alternative but to give ground to President Bush despite their view that he had mishandled the war and needed to be put under tighter Congressional rein.

Democrats said they did not relish the prospect of leaving Washington for a Memorial Day break — the second recess since the financing fight began — and leaving themselves vulnerable to White House attacks that they were again on vacation while the troops were wanting. That criticism seemed more politically threatening to them than the anger Democrats knew they would draw from the left by bowing to Mr. Bush.


Oooooooooooooo, scary! If we didn't give Bush his way, the White House would have criticized us!

Seriously, the Times account dovetails with what we've heard from multiple Dem staffers. And it has to be said that this is, like, soooooooooo June 2006. Recall that last spring many Dems were terrified of taking on the GOP and the White House over Iraq because they worried that the Republicans would tell the electorate an irresistable story: Dems are weak, and Republicans are strong. When Dems finally realized that Republicans would tell this story no matter what they did, they started telling the story their way: The war in Iraq is a disaster; it has made us weaker; Dems want to end it, and Republicans don't. The rest is history. Dems won the argument.

Now Dems appear to have let their own worries about the potential story that Republicans will tell -- Dems are on vacation while the troops are wanting! -- largely shape their course of action here. Sure, you want to game out what the opposition will do. But Dems, Republicans are going to keep telling the story this way no matter what you do. Indeed, the President just reminded everyone at today's presser that some Dems didn't want to support the troops -- even though the Dem leadership has already agreed to give him his no-timelines funding. Why not start by deciding what the right policy is, and then tell your story as forcefully as you can? Dems can win arguments, as 2006 showed.

But look, what's done is done. And now that we're finished popping off, it needs to be said that generally this new Dem Congressional leadership has repeatedly defied expectations with its willingness to take on the White House. Just not this time.

Meanwhile, here are a couple things to watch for related to the upcoming House and Senate votes on the supplemental. The key outstanding questions: How effective will pressure from antiwar groups on Dem legislators prove in driving down the number of House Dems who will vote for the proposal? This is key, because the lower the Dem support for it, the more the GOP and the White House will own this policy. Second key question: Which way will Hillary and Barack Obama go?

We'll be bringing you more coverage of this throughout the day. Stay with us.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:02 PM
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1. "where did the spines go" where where?
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:10 PM
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7. The fuckers really support the war. They do have "spine" to stand up to the public
and refuse to support them, and feed the war hawks instead.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:04 PM
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2. Hey, Dems! Here's a new concept:
WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR ASSES IN WASHINGTON OVER THE HOLIDAY AND WORK ON THIS?

Our troops aren't taking any holiday time off, why the fuck should you?

You are letting the tail wag the dog, here. This is such disgusting bullshit if true!
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:07 PM
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3. Name me ONE thing
the WH wouldn't criticise if done by the Dems
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:08 PM
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4. As a man who has worked constuction all my life,
I can't understand why congresspeople can't stay in session when there is an important issue at stake.
They lead such easy lives, no actual labor, only talking. So you miss memorial day. Big deal! To really honor memorial day, you should serve the public and bring the troops home.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:08 PM
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5. Iraqis are being killed, US soldiers being killed. that's okay. But can't expect congress subject
themselves to :scared: criticism from George W. Bush :scared:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:11 PM
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8. who actually made this decision strategy?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:09 PM
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6. In other words... we had to indulge our little brat
because we're too lazy as parents to show him a little tough love. No wonder he's such a fucking deliquent.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:13 PM
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9. Exactly! It's the Adolescent Rebellion / Caring Parent Dilemma
Which means there must be an awful lot of totally dysfunctional Congressional spawn out there.....
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:18 PM
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11. The DLC supports this war people!!!
They always have! This whole argument of them being afraid of criticism is BS...and just makes them look soft. They aren't going to admit to their base that they support this war...which is why they aren't going to cut funding.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:30 PM
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15. why in the hell don't thye just become republicans then?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:17 PM
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10. What, were they afraid little Georgie would wish them into the cornfield?


"You're bad people, Reid and Pelosi. Very bad people!"
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:19 PM
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12. Words fail me
All the thesauri in the world couldn't provide words to describe the level of my contempt for these invertebrates.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:24 PM
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13. then they should have given the ahole the same bill and said SIGN IT!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:27 PM
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14. yep, they're afraid of a Resident with a 30% approval rating
24% on Iraq.

We are fucking doomed.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:46 PM
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16. See thread below
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 12:58 PM
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17. They were afraid the WH would criticize them?!?!?
Are you kidding me?!?!!?!?!? :wow:

Get out of politics if you can't handle the name-calling! Get out of politics if you can't handle a few insults! YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY! THE COUNTRY IS BEHIND YOU! STAND UP AND DO YOUR JOBS OR GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!! :grr:
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:07 PM
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18. New tactic needed: declare victory!!
Congress simply passes a law which says "We won the war in Iraq, now the troops come home."

You send that bill to Bush.

He either has to say we've NOT won the war and admit defeat, or we did win the war and the troops come home.

The Democrats have gone about this all wrong. Their goal has been noble, but selling how un-winnable Iraq is has been unpleasant. As people flip from Lost to American Idle they glance at the news and see Democrats bemoan how woeful everything is. What a drag. They're the Debbie Downer party. Screw that. Put on a happy face!

Sell it as a victory. We've trained enough Iraqis, we've accomplished our goals, Iraq is fine, success is not "no violence" as Bush himself has said, so we win and we bring the troops home.

Simple.
Effective.
The best way forward.

I urge everyone to spread the word. We won the war in Iraq. Congress needs to pass this legislation.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:30 PM
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19. That's a good one!

"The president just vetoed victory in Iraq." "Bush claims our troops are not winning in Iraq." "Republicans call our soldiers a bunch of losers."

You're right. Give it right back at them.


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