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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:32 PM
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The USA is not a Democratic state
I won't be the first to say it, but allow me to say it my way: the United States is not a Democracy, but is instead a completely corporate-controlled fascist state.

Ask any American who would argue otherwise; what is the last thing that THE PEOPLE of the United States were able to accomplish through democratic methods? They might argue...well, we elected the Democrats to congress in 2006. To that, I would ask what the Democrats have accomplished on their behalf. What tangible, measurable, real thing or outcome has been actually achieved through the supposed Democracy not just this year...but in the last decades?!? Yes, it's that bad!

Don't get me wrong, in fact the government has taken tangible action...every time corporations want them to. Invading Iraq was an oil industry and military-industrial-complex decision. Health care policy is set by the insurance companies. Every single bill that comes out of our government is really a bill pushed for, debated by, and and created for corporations. Governance is now nothing other than a battle between the most powerful of corporations. The people are not even a factor.

Democratic supporters often wonder why the vast majority of Americans are so politically apathetic. They believe that every vote counts and everyone can make a difference. Really? Isn't it smarter not to spend time, effort, and money playing a game that is completely rigged?

And that's what American politics has become, a game...a sport. Its a battle of nothing more than ideas...ideology that ultimately translates to nothing tangible in the real, actual world. We want to be right, with arguments, to defeat our enemies...yet in the process absolutely nothing ever gets done. And so many well-intentioned citizens continue to believe that all of this will change at some arbitrary point in the future.

Well now we have a Democratic congress that was elected specifically to end the war in Iraq. We have a President who disagrees with them, but has an approval rating at 29%. If there ever, ever was a time to represent the people In a clear, decisive way...this was it. It isn't going to get any more straightforward. Yet they couldn't do it. They couldn't imagine actually doing something that the people actually want...damned the consequences. Why? We are told that it is because of what might happen in Iraq after we leave. You're telling me that a Senator or Presidential candidate is going to throw away his or her political future because they're worried about what might happen to Iraqis? You really believe that? Come on. So let me ask again...what are the real reasons?

Democracy isn't, as Americans have come to expect, intellectual masturbation. I had to learn this by leaving America. Now I live in Slovakia, and this is a Democracy. Democracy is when people elect a representative who gets things done on their behalf. Want to end a war? Want a health care system? Better schools? College tuition covered? In a democratic country, your elected representatives actually do these things for you. And yet Americans have so little confidence in their representatives...even the ones they voted for....that it is necessary to call, sign petitions, and write letters to politicians begging and pleading with them to take a stand on a position which they shouldn't have to even be reminded about. And even this effort goes ignored...perhaps explained by the media construct that "the American people" would not support such a policy. Really? We're gonna let the Corporate system, the Corporate Media, tell us who we are as a people and what we would or wouldn't support? This means more than listening to what the actual supporters acutally support? Or maybe the corporate definition of the average American is true, maybe they were actually able to manufacture such a creature with enough propaganda through enough years.

I don't have any answers, but I do know that the only way to turn a corporate-controlled, fascist state into a democracy is through revolution. You can't work within its rigged, corrupt framework. This is precisely what has happened in the countries of the world which do have Democracies...and there are many: France, Portugal, Brazil, the countries of Eastern Europe, certainly many more...in these countries real change actually happens as a result of elections. Health care systems are socialized, college tuition is covered by the state, decisions about war are a reflection of public opinion. And yet Americans continue to feel that the way things are are simply the way they've always been and always will be...expectations are nil because experience tells us that this is reality.

We no longer have the freedom that Democracy brings, but at least we owe it to ourselves to embrace the freedom that the pursuit of truth brings. One of these truths is that America is not a democratic state.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:34 PM
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1. K & R
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:40 PM
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2. K & R - WOW n/m
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:42 PM
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3. I keep hammering this away, and I don't understand why ya'll don't get it.
The undermining of our country started with the excessive way that we support property rights. It's winner takes all. Then you add the hidden networks that hedge your bets in winning, and shazaam! You have a fascist country.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:50 PM
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5. "undermining of our country started with the excessive way that we support property rights"
So it was doomed from the start? This country was partially founded upon the principle of near absolute property rights.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:58 PM
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7. Oh, my God, yes. Manifest Destiny, Indian Reservations, stealing
Edited on Thu May-24-07 03:03 PM by The Backlash Cometh
mineral rights from those Indians backed into Indian Reservations, Agrarian rights, Adverse Possession...

The list goes on, but the patterns are the same. It's all about winning and chaos capitalism is the best weapon. You see, if they've been getting away with this for centuries, what makes you think they'll stop with property? The networks & connections are in place for far more criminal activity and cover-ups.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:07 PM
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16. Yes, I myself have noted that in our laws, property rights are more
prominent than personal rights and certainly more important and prominent than basic human rights. This all stems from our common law heritage from English common law.

This worldview, so subtle but thoroughly ingrained, makes it difficult for the United States and its citizens to put human rights and basic personal rights at the top. Nope, property rights will trump them everytime.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:39 PM
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18. It's such a given that property rights will win,
Edited on Thu May-24-07 08:43 PM by The Backlash Cometh
that it's easier for a city to collude with large mega-Associations to control "dissenters" than it is to really try to find balance. Just keep in mind, that the city is usually controlled by an attorney who is also open to represents developers too. So much conflict of interest, that a member of the public doesn't have a chance.

No wonder everybody is so angry.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:50 PM
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4. Totally TRUE !.... Chomsky says the same things....
He likes to compare the newly elected govts in S. America as examples
of a truly democratic nation
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:54 PM
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6. Never was intended to be
The US constitution calls for a representative republic. I'm not sure if a pure democratic form of government was ever envisioned.

That's why elections have consequences, be careful who you vote for.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:01 PM
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9. We are not even a representative republic
unless, of course, you're only counting corporations as citizens. They, and the wealthy, are the only ones represented.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:05 PM
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10. wrong
You haven't been paying attention.

Elections obviously don't mean jack squat.

We get more of the same. Bills written by lobbyists, no health care and no end of the Iraq war.

Elections have consequences? You must be joking.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:46 PM
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14. The last election was a mandate
Edited on Thu May-24-07 03:48 PM by LBJDemocrat
to end the war and to halt the economic treason known as free trade.

The Democrats sold out on both.

Then again, I never had much hope for Nancy Pelosi. The 2006 elections were an endorsement of populist Democrats from traditionally red states, not a coronation for her.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:00 PM
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8. Totally agree with every word!
What oft I thought but ne'er so well express'd.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:13 PM
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11. Thank you!
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:28 PM
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12. The fact that we don't have a transparent voting system anymore
should say enough right there.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 03:43 PM
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13. Well-f***ing-said!
I tried recommending, but I don't have enough posts.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:15 PM
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15. Excellent post. Perfectly stated and oh so very true. nt
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:17 PM
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17. Please don't forget the voting machines, the nail in the coffin.
When the votes are counted in total secrecy (by Bushite corporations) without verification, this is much closer to fascism than democracy. In fact, it IS FASCISM.

It's mainly because of the voting machines I think that the American people have been unrepresented for the last 8 years at a minimum and probably for longer than that by the leaders they have tried to elect.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:42 PM
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19. Let's not forget that there were harbingers to this vote
Most of us expected them to start putting the brakes on * the day they moved into office this year. Instead they caved in on all sorts of "insignificant" little things. We realists saw what was happening. some others did not.

Well after this there is NOTHING that can be done to stop ANYTHING * wants to do.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:37 AM
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20. America is a plutocracy, owned and operated by the
corporations. We are all subhuman to Bush and his pals. Only the extremely rich are human. Campaign finance reform is our only hope! "Real" campaign finance reform that is!
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:54 AM
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21. Great. Now how to have a revolution?
I mean everybody knows what you are saying, and then somebody comes out and makes this call to action, I guess for all of us to get up off our couches and pick up torches and hoes and our kids and storm Washington DC en mass. But it never happens. And then somebody makes the call again. And it still never happens.

Its time to talk seriously about taking back out lives from corporate ownership. Its time to really analyze this system and look at the points of of control, and synthesize an alternative way of life. This is where the effort needs to go. The revolution we need is taking control of our own lives.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:24 PM
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22. It's a Republic (gone banana)
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 02:37 PM
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23. May I recommend you move to a real fascist country
so will know what it means?

Hint: no DU or other blogs, no freedom to post this kind of ignorance and, of course, no Bill of Rights.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:23 PM
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24. Thank you. I get so tired of hearing the word 'fascist' tossed around. This isn't fascist.
This isn't a dictatorship.

Try China, Cambodia, Iran. Those places are dictatorships.
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