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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:07 PM
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Poll question: Are you more afraid of WWIII or Great Depression II?
I'm seeing lots of people argue that Kerry is the guy because we're in a time of war. I want Edwards because I see that we're about to enter Great Depression II and we need a president who cares as much about people who work for a living, and who cares about stopping the upwards transfer of wealth as FDR cared.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:08 PM
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1. Somewhat of a moot quesion
GD2 would lead to WW3, WW3 would lead to GD2.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:10 PM
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4. History doesn't support that...
...WW2 got us out of the GD.

Both WW1 and WW2 were followed by periods of great economic expansion.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:10 PM
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5. There was creeping fascism in the US begining in 1890s.
Roosevelts held it back both times. Hitler or no Hitler, we had to fight this battle at home -- just like an Edwards presidency promises.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:18 PM
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10. Bingo.
Edited on Fri Feb-13-04 04:19 PM by w4rma
Note, I do think that on this issue, Edwards would do an extremely good job.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:30 PM
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14. I think this is THE issue of this election which the media and Republicans
don't want us to realize.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:37 PM
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17. On this, you and I are in full agreement, AP. (n/t)
Edited on Fri Feb-13-04 04:38 PM by w4rma
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:09 PM
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2. wait, arent we pulling out?
I though Bush was going to pull out of Iraq in July--wouldn't that mean that we don't need a war president? *sarcasm off*
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:11 PM
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7. Yes, and just like the capture of SH undermined Dean and Clark,
pulling out in July will undermine the reason Democrats will nominate Kerry. When Bush wins reelection, the invasions will start again.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:09 PM
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3. Neither.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:11 PM
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6. Can't I have both?
nt
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:13 PM
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9. Not if you nominate Kerry. What does he say about economic opportunity?
Marry rich and you'll be OK?

You can get rich rich rich being a Senator?

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codegreen Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:12 PM
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8. not so much scared, but expecting and preparing myself mentally
like an animal before what one knows to be an especially cold, starving winter
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:21 PM
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11. The Great Depression CAUSED the WWII.
Of course, the Great War (WWI) is partly responsible for the Great Depression.

Hitler would never have come to power if the Armistace hadn't left Germany bankrupt and economically devastated. People who have lost their life savings due to hyperinflation don't much give a damn who the vote for, as long as it isn't the people who brought them to ruination.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:30 PM
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13. No. The corporatocracy started taking over the US in the 1890s. TR
stopped it once by trust busting and introducing the income tax. FDR fought it at home again in the 30s by fighting back Prescott Bush's crowd with "there's nothing to fear but fear itself."
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:24 PM
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12. Do you really think that those are possibilities?
I can see further trouble on both fronts but, honestly I dont see a world war or a depression in the near future.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:36 PM
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16. Oh it's there
Paul Krugman (Princeton economics professor and NYT columnist) has said he has trouble sleeping sometimes thinking of our economic situation.

And... you don't see the world war coming? Syria Accountability Act? PNAC? Do either of those ring a bell?
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:46 PM
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20. Not to be a contrarian
but, Krugman is a bit of an alarmist, agree?

I see strife and international tensions, but nothing leading to a world war.

I try my best NOT to get overjoyed at this type of speculation. I still think we can pull it out, so to speak.

I wont profess to be an expert on economic nor military issues but I refuse to believe we are in any imminent danger on either front.

Naive?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:53 PM
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22. I doubt very seriously Krugman thinks GD2 is possible.
He may be an alarmist, but he's not that much of an alarmist.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:12 PM
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32. He does. I saw him talk and he says that we are heading into
a crisis. He thinks America could become a banana republic. He said it's like Wily E. Coyote. Will we run and run and run and then look down and see that there's nothing beneatho our feet, or will it be slow arc down?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:29 PM
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35. I must not have read enough Krugman.
If he really thinks that, then he is too much of an alarmist.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:32 PM
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36. You don't know if you've read Krugman, yet you had an opinion
about what he thinks?

Interesting.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:35 PM
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15. The only thing I fear is fear.
The US cannot go into a "great depression." At worst, the US economy would wind up like Japan's. And a world war isn't going to happen either. Skirmeshes, etc, of course, but nothing on the scales of WWI or WWII.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:40 PM
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18. I'll have...
... to vehemently disagree with you there. We could easily have an outcome that makes Japan of the 90s look like a picnic.

It's the debt.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:48 PM
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21. Nope.
It's not possible. I would need a very comprehensive overview to believe that it was.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:58 PM
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23. LOL Evidently you haven't done much research
on "Peak Oil"
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:28 PM
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34. Yes, I have, in fact.
Peak Oil, Die Off, etc, are scenarios that are independent of who handles the economy, because the solutions would have to be addressed the same way in any case. They are scnearios that are independent of who the president is.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 04:43 PM
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19. Great Depression 2will happen as long as our jobs goto india and
Edited on Fri Feb-13-04 04:44 PM by corporatewhore
our trade deficit keeps rising due to "free"trade
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:05 PM
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24. The Options Don't Match the Question
I am defintiely worried more about WWIII with Bush in office. But that has nothing to do with nominating a general -- quite the opposite.

BTW, the only Democratic candidate I AM concerned about potentially starting other unecessary wars is Edwards, for the simple reason that he has stood behind the Iraq war 100%. As far as I can tell from his comments, he's saying he would have done exactly the same thing in Bush's position.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:11 PM
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25. Years ago, I discovered a man
who lived in a cabin in the Northwoods of Wisconsin with his family. They were trying their hardest to become self-reliant. I was shocked to learn that this guy was a PhD. who had worked as a consultant to the highest levels of government in Washington. He was making more money in DC than he ever thought he could but his research scared the hell out of him. He told me that fear of nuclear war was nothing compared to his fear of economic collapse. He figured in the '80s it was close at hand and moved his family to the safest, most obscure place he could find.

Over the years, I have come around to his way of thinking also. We are far more likely to experience Great Depression II than WWIII.

Bush* seems to be trying for both...at the same time.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:43 PM
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28. I have a friend who started investing in gold and guns back in the
1980's. He started buying weapons before anyone heard of the Brady bill. He's got quite a stash buried in a bunker somewhere in Connecticut. Told me that if the hammer falls, if I can make it up to his place me and my family will be welcome.

By ourselves.

I used to think he was joking but I'm watching the dollar and the White House and I'm thinking it isn't so funny anymore.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:38 PM
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26. one will get you the other
and with the state we're in -- it's a possible toss up.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:40 PM
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27. Either one, Bush is not the guy to handle it.
A village in Texas is missing its idiot.

Send Bush home in November!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:46 PM
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29. I think we could be facing another great depression.
The issues faces this country are vast and difficult. That is why I do not think a personal injury attorney has what it takes to turn this country around.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 05:46 PM
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30. I'm more afraid of WWIII because I'm afraid Bush could start it.
The enemy isn't some foreign country. It's the mad cowboy.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 06:16 PM
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33. Bush creates that fear so that people will elect fascists. He wants you
to think that terrorism is the biggest risk.
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