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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:12 AM
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Elizabeth Edwards Pulls No Punches and is John Edwards the most feminist candidate?
Edited on Wed May-30-07 01:13 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
==Between Elizabeth Edwards, Michelle Obama, and Bill Clinton, the Democratic frontrunners have quite a powerful collection of political spouses on the campaign trail this primary season. None more so than Edwards, who is wowing audiences as she campaigns for her husband as hard as ever, even after the bad news about her breast cancer returning. Edwards spoke to reporters in Madison, Wisconsin, recently, before delivering a speech to a bipartisan group of women in politics. Looking sharp, healthy, and relaxed in a black pants suit, she paused to comment wryly to a photographer crouched in front of her, "That is the worst possible angle for a woman, you know. You may take those pictures, but you may not run them."==

==Aside from questions about her health, the topic she was pressed to address most was Hillary. Edwards talks a lot about breaking barriers as part of a generation of female attorneys who had to prove that women could do as well as the guys in previously all-male law firms. So now the delicate job of explaining why women should vote against her fellow barrier-breaking female attorney falls to her. As an advocate for women's issues and women's equal rights, how can she justify seeking votes for her husband, instead of the first likely female nominee for President? Her strongest answer: "In my opinion the candidate who's best for women in this race is my husband," she said. His universal health care plan, his plan to address poverty (a predominantly female problem, she reminded reporters) as well as equal pay, make him the most feminist candidate. Weakest answer: "I consider myself a feminist and as a feminist my goal is that no decision be made because of gender . . . that women don't vote for a woman because she's a woman. . . . It's really important to remove gender as a factor." This is the equivalent arguing against affirmative action on the grounds that we have already reached a level playing field. Unfortunately, we are not there yet. Still, Edwards may be right that her husband is the most progressive, and the best for women, of the three front-runners. He is, as his wife points out, the most outspoken opponent of the Iraq War (she noted how disappointed they were in the Democrats' cave-in on funding for the war), an advocate for the most comprehensive health care reform, and the only one whose focus is ending poverty in the United States.

As for Hillary's "conversation" about health care: "We need to move forward," says Edwards. "We do not need to continue talking about it."==

==With Hillary's failure to support comprehensive, universal health care, the lack of serious anti-poverty measures in her platform, her qualifying statements on abortion rights, not to mention her hawkishness, she may be the least likely to usher in an era of feminist government.==

http://www.progressive.org/mag_rcb052907
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:16 AM
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1. Who is looking for a feminist government?
Good luck with getting elected with that as your platform.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:31 AM
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2. Yeah. Misogynist governments work so well.
:eyes:

:sarcasm:
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:35 AM
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3. Whatever
Good luck with that platform it will go well with his hair cuts.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:43 AM
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16. Feminism. You keep using that word.
I don't think it means what you think it means.

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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:53 AM
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23. anybody want a peanut?
.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:54 AM
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5. How dare women demand an equal place at the table!
:sarcasm:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:38 AM
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14. I know!
We're supposed to be serving cookies to the table.

Barefoot.

Wearing a frilly apron.

:rofl:
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 01:52 AM
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4. Most Democrats believe in gender equality...perhaps you aren't paying attention?
Edited on Wed May-30-07 01:53 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
Most Democrats want a president who will do as much as he or she possibly can to help bring us closer to the Democratic ideal of gender inequality.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 02:04 AM
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6. LOL
Edited on Wed May-30-07 02:05 AM by Egnever
Yes how dare they! But thats not what you are promoting now is it? its some sort of feminist crusade that has somehow twisted themselves into some bizaro pretzel that sees a woman president as bad and would rather have some man.

You guys are a tag team comedy act right?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 03:00 AM
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10. "...some sort of feminist crusade...that sees a woman president as bad"
Edited on Wed May-30-07 03:01 AM by BlueIris
Please go learn something about feminism before you embarrass yourself any further. Men can be feminists, too. Also, being a woman does not magically turn you into a feminist, nor does it turn you into someone who believes in promoting policies that advance women's equality.

It's called cultural literacy. Look into it.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 03:25 AM
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11. Men can be feminists too?
Before I start calling myself a feminist, I would like to know what women would think about that.

It's no good to me if only 10% of women think that men can be feminists too.

Is it enough for a man to say that he is a feminist, and then you will believe him?

Like Kurt Cobain said he was a feminist, and there he is on Wikipedia's list of feminists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feminists

By the way - there are not many men on that list!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 04:00 AM
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12. Please learn something about feminism and the role it plays in your society before you post again.
Edited on Wed May-30-07 04:07 AM by BlueIris
At least about feminism and who feminists think can and can't be considered feminist.

Jesus H. Christ. It's 2007. Cultural literacy is important. Especially on a website that asks posters to be of a generally progressive mindset. Understanding what feminism is (which takes a lot more than a Google search and a glace at a Wiki entry) constitutes a basic component of being culturally literate. You clearly need a brush-up in that area.

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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:47 AM
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22. Thanks for the tip - but I will post again when I want
What percentage of women feminists think that men can be feminists too?

Did someone organize a poll? Are you saying you know for sure it's 100%?

I understand enough to know that there are several different definitions and interpretations of what feminism means.

I also understand the powerful potential of bottom-up knowledge-sharing tools like google and wikipedia.

Of course men can support women's rights and they can be advocates and defenders of gender equality.

But can they go around saying "and by the way - I'm a feminist"?

What does that say about men who don't call themselves feminists?

Does it mean we are all mysoginists? (My guess is you would say yes - not that I care all that much.)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 12:01 PM
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24. Personally, i'm sick of all the loaded labels. Feminist. Misogynist. Liberal. Conservative.
Blah blah blah.

It's the same old stodgy "Are you fer us...or agin us?" rhetoric, meant to divide. Let's move on, shall we?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 02:52 AM
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7. True. That's why I went with John Kerry last time. And since he's not available at this point...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:44 AM
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21. As will ANY Democratic candidate
I can't remember any Democrat in decades for whom this is not true. This issue should be a wash.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 02:55 AM
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9. Lots of people. You clearly haven't met any of them.
It says...quite a bit about you that you don't know any feminists. None of it good.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 02:54 AM
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8. Interesting question. At this point, this feminist finds Edwards the most appealing.
I still can't lend my support to any of the people considered to be front-runners, but as a feminist, I'd be most comfortable supporting him over the others.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 05:55 AM
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13. To my mind, the least feminist thing Elizabeth Edwards has done is to imply that
somehow she is to blame for the progress of her breast cancer because she didn't check up on her health well enough, and that by failing to do so she "let her family down."

No, Elizabeth--it's important to look after your own health NOT just because you are a wife and mother with family depending on you, but because you are a PERSON. Whether or not you are married, whether or not you are a mother. And you owe it to YOURSELF. NOT just to others.

Even so, there's no point in blaming yourself, because mammograms or no, things could be as they are. Mammograms aren't perfect and they don't find everything and they don't always find it right away. We need something better.

To me, it's a bit antifeminist for a woman to discover she has breast cancer and then blame herself for not finding it earlier--and then imply that by doing so, she let down her HUSBAND and her FAMILY.
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Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:39 AM
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15. Honestly--I love her--
I just like him. I wish SHE were the one running and I really do like John--I just like her more.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:24 AM
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17. Jesus Christ who runs that campaign!
The candidate who has been assailed over haircuts and called a Breck girl is going to run as the feminist candidate?

Is his campaign team going to do stupid shit like this in the general?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:33 AM
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18. Do you know what "feminist" means?
:evilgrin:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:35 AM
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19. Certainly. Unfortunately a good chunk of my fellow countrymen have a different definition
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:43 AM
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20. Unfortunately...
The word has been hijacked ~ a la "liberal"!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 07:23 PM
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25. Kick.
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