25 GOP Senators may vote for Democratic Iraq withdrawal timetable in September (NRO)

[jefferson_dem]

From NRO, via ... http://www.americablog.com/2007/05/25-gop-senators-may-vote-for-democratic.html

Iraq--the Coming GOP Collapse? - Rich Lowry

Was talking to an influential Republican strategist who thinks if Iraq looks the way it does now in September, Bush will lose about 25 Senate Republicans on a bill with some sort of timetable for withdrawal.

[Demeter]

1. Even If Georgie Holds His Breath and Turns Blue?

Turns blue, get it? :rofl:

[jillan]

2. Bingo! That is great news

We only need 17 to out-veto (is that a word?) Bushit.

If you listen to the repukes, they have been saying they are giving * till September.

On the downside, is the men and women that will die/be injured before then.
BUT - it does mean the end is in sight.

[ProSense]

3. If?

What the hell is going on? What is some sort of timetable? Get the hell out! set a date six months to a year from now and get out!

Of course the source of this is National Review. While it would be good, it may be that they're stalling for time.

[Dhalgren]

4. Let me just say, "Uh-bull-uh-shit!" Uh-thank you...

[jillan]

7. I really think that the repugs know this is a losing issue for them in 2008

So they will start being semi-human for awhile.

[Dhalgren]

13. Oh, come on! Do you hear yourself?

Repugs, being semi-human? We cannot start putting our faith in the Republicans doing the right thing. That is just unthinkable! If the Democrats are in the majority, why on earth would we start counting on Republicans acting in a way that is best for this country? When have they ever? We have already lost, if the Republicans are our last hope! Christ!

[Tom Joad]

5. Some sort of timetable. Which means they will ask for withdrawal to start

at least by March 2008, with some of the troops out by that September (but many remaining).
With permanant US miltary bases intact.
Oil Privatization law passed.

Way clear for Bush to bomb Iran.

That is what i expect to get bipartisan support.
Because neither party has leadership to end military domination in the middle east.

[MidwestTransplant]

6. If more than half the Republicans vote for it, then Joementum can't really threaten to go to the GOP

[snowbear]

8. Isn't there something like 21 R's up for re-election?

I can't find the latest list.. but I was thinking the numbers are something like 21..

Anyone know?

[Yukari Yakumo]

9. Repub Seats up for re-election

Repub seats up for grabs in '08:
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Saxby Chambliss of Georgia
Norm Coleman of Minnesota
Susan Collins of Maine
John Cornyn of Texas
Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina
Pete Domenici of New Mexico
Michael Enzi of Wyoming
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Pat Roberts of Kansas
Jeff Sessions of Alabama
Gordon Smith of Oregon
Ted Stevens of Alaska
John Sununu of New Hampshire

Also up for grabs in '08, but considering retirement:
Thad Cochran of Mississippi
Larry Craig of Idaho
Chuck Hagel of Nebraska
John Warner of Virginia

Not seeking re-election, retiring:
Wayne Allard of Colorado

[snowbear]

11. Thanks Aya.. I knew I had 21 in my head from somewhere...

Welp.. as popular as he's been for decades in Alaska for bringing home the mega pork, there is NO way that Ted Stevens will win again in '08.

Way too much corruption going on up here that directly involves him, his son (former state senator), the FBI, Veco Corporation, and numerous Republican politicians.

Ted Stevens is going down.

The only bummer is (and AKBlue can verify this) ... we have way too many great Democrats that will be running for his seat, as well as the House seat that CORRUPT Don Young will also FINALLY lose.

[rufus dog]

14. and here ius the breakdown

Repub seats up for grabs in '08:
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Saxby Chambliss of Georgia - LOSS
Norm Coleman of Minnesota - LOSS
Susan Collins of Maine
John Cornyn of Texas
Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina - UPSET LOSS
Pete Domenici of New Mexico - LOSS
Michael Enzi of Wyoming
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina
Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Pat Roberts of Kansas
Jeff Sessions of Alabama
Gordon Smith of Oregon - LOSS
Ted Stevens of Alaska - LOSS
John Sununu of New Hampshire

Also up for grabs in '08, but considering retirement:
Thad Cochran of Mississippi
Larry Craig of Idaho
Chuck Hagel of Nebraska
John Warner of Virginia

Not seeking re-election, retiring:
Wayne Allard of Colorado - LOSS

Five of the seven go down, no doubt. Seven of seven plus one goes down if the election is held today.
(that excludes the 'up for grabs list')

[calimary]

15. Wish I had a million. I'd give it ALL to ensure that that fucker saxby

chambliss was sent to the unemployment line. And I'd do it for Max Cleland!!!!

[AndyTiedye]

10. The BFEE Will Be Introducing a "New Product" in September

[jillan]

12. They can't!

That'll blow their whole

"We have to fight them over there so they won't come here" bullshit.

[calteacherguy]

16. Of course they will with tbe 2008 election coming up fast. nt

[LaPera]

17. Nope....The republicans will wait and Bush will pull...

many of the same, (by then) 200K troops before the 2008 election, keeping 90 or 100k troops to protect the unmetered oil, the monster embassy/fortress and the air fields...

Bush will claim victory, the corporate media will praise the hard core republicans for staying with it and "winning the war" (right before the 2008 election, another Rove tactic)...It'll of course all be bullshit they will only be pulling back the same troops (and a bit more to make it look good) that he's bringing in now for the escalation (surge). And after the election...back to the same old bullshit, saying "Iraq still needs a bit more of our help", those dastardly terrorist and all...and on it goes, the war for profit...And once the real "withdraw victory" game & tactic's are untimely exposed (as they always are) it'll be too late...the republicans will have reaped the benefits of the lies, distortions & media smears against the Dems.

Of course no one here wants to believe this...they want to believe the media doesn't have that kind of power and Bush can never get away with it...get real, look what BushCo has gotten away with and is still getting away with...and since all here are too smart and make up their own minds, so will everyone else....and on it goes as Bush just keeps on cruising, getting what he wants and people keep waiting for the fall....

The republicans will say and pretend anything, even insist things are getting better in Iraq, month's on down the line...And BushCo/Rove will convince them to hold tight and there will be this grandiose "withdraw" and 'victory' the republicans will go along with the plan...they'll have no choice...it's their war and people know it. Only a "victory" no matter how they spin it and being total bullshit can help the republicans, and we have to know it's in the works right now, along with getting the lapdog media to play it just as they want & need them to.

And then we say "fuck"....how did they get away with it...But no one wants to hear or believe it because it means they are not in control as we foolishly believe. "We won't get fooled again!" No way! 25 republican senators are telling us to believe them...they are with us.

[Major Hogwash]

18. Who is Rich Lowry?

I wouldn't take anything anyone says about what the Republicans will do 4 months from now too seriously.

Unless his name is Rove.

I'm just saying ..

[LaPera]

19. You're "saying" it correctly.

[Enrique]

20. he's best known for "We're winning"

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200504270759.asp

April 27, 2005, 7:59 a.m.

What Went Right

How the U.S. began to quell the insurgency in Iraq

"Do not try to do too much with your own hands. Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them." — T. E. Lawrence


It is time to say it unequivocally: We are winning in Iraq.

If current trends continue, our counter-insurgent campaign in Iraq will be fit to be mentioned in the same breath as the British victory over a Communist insurgency in Malaysia in the 1950s, a textbook example of this form of war. Our counterinsurgency has gone through the same stages as that of the Brits five decades ago: confusion in the initial reaction to the insurgency, followed by a long period of adjustment, and finally the slow but steady erosion of the insurgency's military and political base. Even as there has been a steady diet of bad news about Iraq in the media over the last year, even as some hawks have bailed on the war in despair, even as Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld has become everyone's whipping boy, the U.S. military has been regaining the strategic upper hand.

(continued)

[Doctor_J]

21. Bullshit

when push comes to shove, they will line up behind Rove. I can't believe any DUer would fall for these phony GOP squabbles after all these years.

[PDittie]

22. Agreed.

This has the smell of Republican misdirection to me.

[Vinca]

23. Pukes will vote for a "surrender" date and become heroes. Again. nt

[w4rma]

24. Are there enough to override a veto? No. So idiot Democrats just provided them with cover by not

putting the withdrawal wording into the funding bill. They can't say they weren't warned.
:argh::banghead:

[endarkenment]

25. Blue Moon?

I believe it after they actually vote. Twice - the second time to override.

[Marnieworld]

26. how many needed for a veto proof bill?

That's all this past bill was about and any other future ones. The Dems haven't stopped trying to end the war just because one incomplete bill was past. There will be another and another and each time they will gather more and more GOP allies until they have a veto proof majority. I just don't get the rage against them here. Ending a war through democratic means is not easy.