Hmm. VERY Interersting. Quinnipiac poll: In PA, GORE runs best against Giuliani

[wyldwolf]

Former Vice President Al Gore, who has not declared his candidacy for the 2008 presidential nomination, runs better in Pennsylvania than any Democrat against the Republican front runner, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani: Gore has 45 percent to Giuliani's 44 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

Giuliani leads New York Sen. Hillary Clinton 47 - 43 percent and tops Illinois Sen. Barack Obama 45 - 40 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. In other possible presidential matchups in Pennsylvania:

* Clinton edges Arizona Sen. John McCain 45 - 43 percent;
* Clinton tops former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson 50 - 36 percent;
* McCain gets 42 percent to 41 percent for Obama;
* McCain ties Gore 44 - 44 percent;
* Obama beats Thompson 47 - 32 percent;
* Gore beats Thompson 50 - 35 percent.

Sen. Clinton gets 33 percent of Democratic primary voters, with 16 percent for Gore, 13 percent for Obama and 11 percent for Edwards. This compares to a March 29 poll showing 36 percent for Clinton, 17 percent for Obama, 13 percent for Gore, and 9 percent for Edwards. "While it's still Sen. Clinton and Mayor Giuliani at the top of the presidential race, Vice President Gore is getting stronger and Sen. McCain weaker in the latest Pennsylvania poll," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"Sen. Clinton continues to get about a third of all Democratic voters in a potential primary, but Gore is now in second with 16 percent while Sen. Barack Obama has dropped to third."

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1070&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0

[AtomicKitten]

1. pretty good showing for not running

I'm wondering what would happen to these stats if he does throw his hat in the ring.

Regardless, clearly the Democrats have a strong field and the GOP candidates are hopelessly flawed.

[npincus]

2. Giuliani would cream Hillary-- G-d forbid he's the nominee.

[wyldwolf]

3. Hillary does better than Obama... so I guess he'd double cream Obama?

[npincus]

4. Obama did best against all GOP frontrunners per Gallup

released last week.

My personal view; Giuliani will be very tough to beat, another disgusting 9-11 terrathon of a campaign season. Perhaps he'd coordinate w/Chimp and have him back to the old terra-alerts every time our polls go up.

[wyldwolf]

7. so go post it in the Gallup thread.

[npincus]

8. Why so nasty?

I brought up Obana's showing in the Gallup in response to your bit of snark about "Obama getting double-creamed" or somesuch other nonsense. Obama's Gallup showing refutes the point you were making, a perfectly valid response.

If you are so thin-skinned towards the views of others, directing them to post elsewhere if you are unhappy with the content of their post, perhaps there's an "Autocratic Underground" somewhere that's a better fit.

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[reprobate]

6. No. G-d forbid SHE's the nominee.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for corporate control. She was part of the Secret Free Trade Deal the Democrats made with the repugs. In just that single deal the Democrat leadership abrogated the entire history of the party and it's base. This cannot stand, not if we expect and fair treatment at the hands of our government.

As much as I can understand the wish to have a strong woman candidate for the party, she must NOT be the one. If that's what you want find one at the grass roots without corporate strings and bring her up to the national level. But heaven forfend, don't put someone who pushed for NAFTA. After all, that certainly helped the working folks of America, didn't it?

Keep pushing for Hillary and I guarantee what you'll get is another triangulating republican lite.

If you doubt what I'm saying read The Nation article about her corporate backers and PR hacks. Especially interesting are their ties to the republican noise machine. Ties, hell. They are a major part of the republican noise machine.

Again let me implore everyone, before you get behind a candidate, do your research. Make sure that candidate is someone who will represent YOUR best interests, not those of their campaign donors.

[rinsd]

10. "before you get behind a candidate, do your research."

Wise words.

"She was part of the Secret Free Trade Deal the Democrats made with the repugs"

She was? Here's Sirota's coverage (even though I do not like him)

http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/05/timeline_the_secret_bushdemocr_1.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/secret-trade-deal-battle_b_48284.html

He blasts Emanuelle but Clinton does not appear to be involved.

He even has some praise for Hillary in the 2nd article

"Put another way, trade is the one area where if Democrats don't do anything at all, they could create the strategic pause in bilateral trade deals called on by leading economists like EPI's Jeff Faux and leading presidential candidates like Hillary Clinton."

"As much as I can understand the wish to have a strong woman candidate for the party, she must NOT be the one. If that's what you want find one at the grass roots without corporate strings and bring her up to the national level."

Who was the last candidate elected via grassroots coprorate strings? Shit, who was the last nominee?

"But heaven forfend, don't put someone who pushed for NAFTA"

Hillary pushed for NAFTA?

"They are a major part of the republican noise machine"

As opposed to the lw noise machine which apparently uses the same tactics.

[FogerRox]

5. IMHO.... if AL runs, he is our next president.

I have not made a Shermanesque statement.

[doggyboy]

11. I'm not surprised

Rudi is relatively pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-choice, etc. If people want a dem, they will vote for a real Dem