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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:13 AM
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Wes Clark plays field as '08 hopes fade: "I think about running every single day."
The Politico: Wes Clark plays field as '08 hopes fade
By: Ben Smith
May 31, 2007


Clark holds a unique position with his military credentials in a wartime election in which none of the front-running Democrats served in the military.
(Photo by John Shinkle)

As of Feb. 2, retired Gen. Wesley Clark seemed to be running for president.

"I think we need a president who understands that to project strength and earn respect is to be strong and show respect," he told the Democratic National Committee's Winter Meeting. The meeting was a cattle call at which he spoke along with nine other Democrats who were all actually running, and Clark did seem to be talking about himself.

But in the months since then, any sense of momentum behind his still-undeclared candidacy has seemed to vanish without a trace.

"I haven't said I won't run," Clark told Politico.com. "I think about running every single day."

But in the meantime, he's been acting more like a Democratic Party wise man than a candidate in his own right, to the degree that he's offered private advice in recent weeks to potential rivals. He's spoken in recent weeks to leading presidential candidates, said Clark spokesman Erick Mullen....

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Clark occupies a unique role in the Democratic Party. His military credentials, stretching from service in Vietnam to the position of NATO supreme allied commander during the war in Kosovo, stand out in a wartime election in which none of the front-running Democrats, and only one leading Republican, served in the military....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4262.html
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:18 AM
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1. My guess is that he's angling for the number two slot.
I think it is already too late for Clark to jump in, and I think he knows it too. (A big name like Gore could pull off the late entry, but I don't think Clark could do it.) My impression is that he's trying to keep his name in the mix so he could be considered for VP. His national security cred would be a smart addition to any ticket, IMHO.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:24 AM
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6. He will be on the top one or two on everyones list of VP's
He would make any ticket formidable.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:59 PM
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38. If He Would Help So Many As VP, Maybe He Should Just Run As Prez
I'm just sayin'.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:01 PM
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41. He would gain valuable experience as a VP.
Running a country is Hard work.....ask commander guy.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:24 AM
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7. I agree. Specifically, I think he's positioning himself as a VP choice for Hillary.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:40 AM
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18. I don't think he is "positioning" himself.....I just think that he has what those running DON'T!
as the article continues....

In fact, it would be the "smart" candidates that would want to hear what Wes Clark has to say.....Those who don't want his words of advice....well, what can I say? :shrug:


And he's also emerged as a possible valuable supporter for Democratic front-runners with no military experience.

"Wesley Clark is an asset and has a lot to offer, and we'd certainly value his support," said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton agreed and said Obama recently spoke with Clark. "Like most Americans, Sen. Obama thinks that Gen. Clark has a wealth of experience in issues of national security," Burton said.

Clark occupies a unique role in the Democratic Party. His military credentials, stretching from service in Vietnam to the position of NATO supreme allied commander during the war in Kosovo, stand out in a wartime election in which none of the front-running Democrats, and only one leading Republican, served in the military.


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Good "advice" from Wes Clark about the possible results of an Iraq Invasion back in September of 2002. Unfortunately, many weren't listening then:

"The war is unpredictable and could be difficult and costly. And what is at risk in the aftermath is an open-ended American ground commitment in Iraq and an even deeper sense of humiliation in the Arab world, which could intensify our problems in the region and elsewhere.

we're going to have chaos in that region. We may not get control of all the weapons of mass destruction, technicians, plans, capabilities; in fact, what may happen is that we'll remove a repressive regime and have it replaced with a fundamentalist regime which contributes to the strategic problem rather than helping to solve it.

Then we're dealing with the longer mid term, the mid term problems. Will Iraq be able to establish a government that holds it together or will it fragment? There are strong factionary forces at work in Iraq and they will continue to be exacerbated by regional tensions in the area. The Shia in the south will be pulled by the Iranians.

We've encouraged Saddam Hussein and supported him as he attacked against Iran in an effort to prevent Iranian destabilization of the Gulf. That came back and bit us when Saddam Hussein then moved against Kuwait. We encouraged the Saudis and the Pakistanis to work with the Afghans and build an army of God, the mujahaddin, to oppose the Soviets in Afghanistan. Now we have released tens of thousands of these Holy warriors, some of whom have turned against us and formed Al Qaida.

My French friends constantly remind me that these are problems that we had a hand in creating. So when it comes to creating another strategy, which is built around the intrusion into the region by U.S. forces, all the warning signs should be flashing. There are unintended consequences when force is used. Use it as a last resort. Use it multilaterally if you can. Use it unilaterally only if you must."
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2007/01/mining_and_finding_prescient_g.html



Rethinking General Wesley Clark - The Left made a big mistake in 2004
http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?id=627&ARCHIVAL=TRUE

WOULD BE AMAZING TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS EXACTLY RIGHT FROM THE START AND DIDN'T MAKE MISTAKES THAT WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR NOW BE LISTENED TO, WOULDN'T IT? WOULD BE "NOVEL" AND KINDA OF "SMART" ON THE PARTS OF DEMOCRATS, IMO!
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:25 PM
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31. Not a chance
Hillary will have to go with Bayh or Vilsack.

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 12:10 AM
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45. Not Vilsack. I'd bet good money on that.
Vilsack just doesn't have what it takes for the national scene. He's too....yawn. Bayh....who? Besides, I think something negative happened to Bayh this year, didn't it? A scandal or some misfortune? Maybe I'm confusing him w/someone else. If not, I still wouldn't bet on that one. But he still could be a longshot.

If I were a betting person, I'd put my money on Obama as V.P. Unless he blows it totally before then. It's simply logic....a Clinton/Obama ticket would be practically unbeatable. Obama is one of the most well-liked, well-known politicians in the country, who comes with a lot of votes in the bag, so to speak. And Clinton is...well, Clinton. With all her & Bill's political savvy and votes in the bag. And Obama is from the middle of the country.

Orrrrr...she might go with a southerner or westerner. I know she's supposed to represent the south, but she doesn't really, to southerners. And it's possible and CRUCIAL for the Dems to take over the west from the Repubs. That might take a moderate westerner. (I don't know where Bayh is from.)

But it'll be a more important choice for her than for others. Clinton being female AND a Clinton will need a V.P. who can help significantly with a general election. Many people will not vote for a woman OR a Clinton.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:58 AM
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54. Hey indie_ana - Bayh is from Indiana
are you joking?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 07:42 PM
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57. Ha! No, I'm not joking. I'm not from Indiana!.....
You probably think that because of my user name. But my user name is referring to my being an Independent.

So Bayh is from Indiana? Hm. I'd say that's not good enough for Clinton's V.P., since that doesn't help in the west or the south. Obama is from Illinois...so he and Bayh are next door neighbors. No big dilemma there which one to pick.

But Nevada and some other western states are possible for the Dems to take from the Repubs. That would solve a lot of the Dems problems caused by losing the south years ago. The west seems poised to turn from red to blue, or at least purple. Clinton would need a VP to help with that area of the country.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 08:17 PM
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59. Indiana and Ohio have 11 and 20 electoral votes
so I think we need to frontload on mid-westerners whether its Obama or Bayh because whoever wins Ohio will be the next president.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:59 AM
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22. How so?
Most Americans aren't paying attention to who's running right now and won't until September.

In terms of fundraising, maybe. But, not in terms of running. Americans are on summer break right now.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 07:12 PM
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32. Sadly, fundraising is running.
The heavily front-loaded primary schedule means a candidate needs to have mega-bucks to compete.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:10 AM
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55. I don't agree. Here's why Clark can be nominated.
Iowa and New Hampshire are critically important for building name recognition and momentum. Iowa takes the personal touch for their caucus. New Hampshire takes a lot of personal touch. More important than money. In 2004, Clark was polling right near the top in NH until Kerry took Iowa. Before Iowa, Kerry had to borrow money from his house to compete; that's how little money he had. But once he took Iowa and New Hampshire, the money flooded in. The big "mo" from those two states registered with primary voters elsewhere. If Clark gets in HE will be THE NATIONAL SECURITY CANDIDATE, and Dems. will discover that we finally have someone to compete with Republicans on the national security turf. Clark's star will rise like a rocket on the 4th of July.
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:35 PM
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36. I don't think he's angling for anything except...
to get his ideas heard and acted upon.

I guess it is such a rare thing to find in politics, a political figure who actually cares for more than just his own political future, that someone like that is hard for some to comprehend.

I believe that Wes Clark sees what a mess things are now and, more than anything else, wants to do what he can to help straighten it out. Right now, advising those who might be able to do something is one way he feels he can help.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 01:00 AM
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46. I agree. nt
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 09:01 PM
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39. He Should Still Run
As a matter of principle, if nothing else.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:10 PM
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63. I respectfully disagree, Skinner
Clark never has shown interest in the number two spot, and I don't think he's had a late conversion on that point. If anything Clark has been angling to achieve maximum effectiveness in influencing decisions being made this year on critical international issues that can't wait for the next President to respond to rationally. Clark said exactly that back in January when he explained his reasons for not having quickly jumped into the race.

Clark is multi-tasking policy and has been all year. He consults both with Democratic leaders in Congress and with declared Democratic candidates for President. Clark stated that the day he became a declared candidate his ability to provide expert insider advice would be severly colored by his perceived presidential ambitions and discounted accordingly. Clark has also provided counsel in apoltical settings, and I suspect strongly that a fair number of thinking diplomats in the Bush Administration and more than a handful of Republicans in Congress have sought his opinions also. Clark is dead serious about the immediate need for the U.S. to change direction in how it deals with Iran being of the utmost importance for several critical reasons which he has detailed extensively both in public and private. It can't wait for a Democrat to take the White House in 2009.

Another thing, Wes Clark I think accurately forsaw that the media was in a period of infatiation for the Democratic love triangle of Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, and entering the race early would have been sailing against that typhoon, putting out a whole lot of time and money that could better be used elsewhere or saved, until that infatuation grew a little colder. I think that time is now upon us which I wrote extensively about on my own blog, which I will repost now below. In short though, I strongly disagree that it is already too late for Clark to jump in. Here is my reasoning:


2008’s Second Season

America’s omnipresent attention deficit disorder is again on an annual collision course with the lazy hazy crazy days of summer. With more temptations calling our attention than sun drenched hours fill a day; few among us have the patience to sit still for 3 long months of Reruns. Catering to our need for novelty, TV moguls years back bit the bullet and introduced TV’s “Second Season”, alive with new characters, new plot lines; and compelling new reasons to tune in for an enhanced summer lineup.

So what’s in store for 2007? Some new Presidential candidates for us to follow, of course. In an era where networks fail to distinguish between their news and entertainment divisions, politics becomes another genre of “Reality TV”. “The Race for the White House” may be a popular hit, but its cast of characters hasn’t changed in six months. That’s far too long without new blood. There is a real risk of the ratings falling well before the scheduled Fall roll out of “Rounding the Final Corner.”

I write the above as a parody of sorts but the truth is too close for comfort. Media buzz can make or break a political candidate, and the media craves new personalities to promote, as well as classic conflicts to exploit. And so too does the public, which burns through new Reality TV shows like there’s no tomorrow. Even the most popular stand bys depend on new wrinkles to stay topical. As political reporting edges closer to center stage with the first 2008 primaries little more than six months off, those dueling political love triangles that the media has obsessed over continually are starting to lose their luster. Look, it’s still Rudy, John and Mitt mixing it up in the right corner, while yonder over left Hillary, John and Obama are still going at it. Is that all there is? Is that all there will be for six more months? Somehow I doubt it.

Actually the pundits already agree. On the Republican side at least, the race is viewed as wide open for Fred Thompson to join. Like Al Gore on the Democratic side, Fred Thompson is an iconic legend, an experienced political giant waiting in the wings, whose personal quest for the Presidency previously was denied by the narrowest of artificial margins, when the Supreme Court of the United… no, wait a minute, scratch that about Thompson, I was on the wrong page. Actually Fred Thompson is an ex back bench U.S. Senator who served for just 8 years ending in 2003, but many now say he is the right man for these times. Thompson might even be the long sought after “Next Reagan”. After all, he too is an actor. And it’s not just Fred Thompson whose been spotted in the G.O.P on deck circle; Chuck Hagel pops up sometimes also, with it never being said of him that it’s too late to enter the 2008 race. Even the G.O.P.'s fall guy from the past, Newt Ginritch, still gets a media future nod or two.

With Fred Thompson reportedly poised to officially enter the G.O.P. field within the month, a contemporary political truism stands ready to fall. Simply put it is this: with 2008’s Presidential race already costing record amounts of money, with the primary schedule now so condensed, and with a surplus of candidates currently crowding the media spotlight for attention, unless your name is Al Gore the time for throwing your hat in the ring has already passed. Nah. That's an urban Washington myth. Just watch and bear witness to the pending launch of 2008’s Presidential Second Season, as a new window of Presidential ambitions opens, and fresh faces eye the beckoning glare of a restless media’s fickle attention.

For this, much is owed to Al Gore, the actual political titan still waiting in the wings where he effectively underscores potential inadequacies in the previously announced Presidential field. Gore’s large and looming presence helped forge a widely shared though not as widely spoken conviction that the 2008 Presidential field is not yet set in stone. We know Al Gore. We watched Al Gore serve 8 years as America’s Vice President, then go on to win the 2000 Popular Vote to be President. Clearly Fred Thompson is no Al Gore, yet as we enter June of 2007, Fred Thompson is suddenly a decidedly viable potential Presidential candidate.

The media can quickly bolster Thompson’s chances if they choose to; or if they need to find a new political drama to pump up. At this supposedly “late date” they can breathe life into Thompson all by themselves or a push by forces active in the Republican base might still do so also; both paths to Thompson’s nomination remain plausible, despite the rest of the Republican field starting out with a 6 month head start on good old Fred.

In fact for both “B Teams” of Presidential candidates, those not linked to their political party’s dominant Presidential love triangles, having started their races so early may now be working to their disadvantage. They all risk type casting as familiar bit players rather than fresh new faces being yearned for. They certainly can’t draw attention to themselves by shaking up the field now via a late entry into it. Six months of overt campaigning with little to show for it has solidified their standing as overlooked. Fred Thompson looks like a better bet now than he would have in January.

So what of the Democratic side of the 08 ledger then, where the contemporary political myth of the closed Presidential field seems to be written deepest in stone? For starters, obviously Al Gore can still run if he wants to, though whether he wants to remains less obvious. Al Gore would be a formidable candidate if he sets his mind to it, but it isn’t just what Gore brings to the table that makes a second season entry viable, it’s also what the currently favored Democrats don’t.

Barack Obama is talented inspirational and charismatic, but he was still a state legislator the last time we elected a President, and in 2008 we will be electing the next “leader of the free world” at a time when the wheels in our corner at least appear to be falling off it. John Edwards is clearly talented as well, and while many view Edwards as a bit less inexperienced than Barack Obama, having one full term in the Senate under his belt, many also view Edwards as a bit less inspirational and charismatic than Obama.

Should the Democrats nominate Barack Obama, it is obvious to many observers that he will be harshly attacked during the General Election campaign over the brevity of his resume for one seeking the job of Commander in Chief. Should the Democrats nominate John Edwards, it is obvious to many observers that he will be harshly attacked during the General Election campaign over conflicts between his current positions and his prior voting record in the United States Senate that make the John Kerry of 2004 seem like consistency's Rock of Gibraltar by comparison.

And what about Hillary Clinton? Again, she too is obviously talented, and as the first female major Party candidate with a real chance of getting elected President, she comes with her own share of inspiration and charisma as well. Most will grant Clinton some experience credentials, but Hillary is also probably the only person in America capable of unifying and motivating an increasingly shattered Republican Party while simultaneously depressing influential activist elements of the Democratic Party’s base. Not exactly the strongest credentials for leading the Democratic Party to victory in 2008.

None of the above condemns either Obama Edwards or Clinton as unwinnable 2008 candidates, but neither are any of them remotely unbeatable, and the longer this 2008 Presidential Marathon race drags on, the more chinks in their collective front runner armor manifest. In a recent Iowa poll high numbers of voters, who can arguably be called the most knowledgeable in the nation about the current Democratic candidates, say they would still like to see additional candidates enter the race:
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070520/NEWS/305200007/-1/iowapoll07

Over the last 50 years almost all Democratic Party front runners for the Presidential nomination (excepting sitting Presidents and VP’s) peaked too early and fell far short. And those races all started in earnest far later than this. There is space still set aside for Al Gore at the Democrats 2008 Presidential Table, but should he not step forward another candidate may well claim it, and that candidate most likely would be General Wesley Clark, another Democrat with an impressive resume and strong leadership credentials, who still pointedly repeats “I haven’t said I’m not running” whenever he is asked.

So it is not too late for either Al Gore or Wes Clark to enter the Presidential race, since the 2008 second season hasn’t even started yet. That window of opportunity officially reopens on the day Fred Thompson steps through it into the equally crowded Republican field. For those who claim that the Democratic nominee will inevitably emerge from the current front runners, I remind them that not long ago Hillary Clinton was deemed the inevitable Democratic nominee, while Barack Obama was merely a promising first term Senator. The official DNC Presidential Debates don’t start until mid July, most Democratic voters won’t tune in seriously before September at the earliest, and big money can quickly be raised from multiple small sources, as Barack Obama has emphatically shown.

And how might Wes Clark determine if Al Gore is passing on another Presidential run? Perhaps by the simplest means possible. I assume they both have each other’s phone number.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:21 AM
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2. from your mouth to god's ear....
This man would make an ideal candidate in a general election and an EXCELLENT president.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:35 AM
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9. I'd like to see him be Secretary of State
Cleaning up sleezy's mess is gonna take no less then General Clark. I think he would make a greater contribution in that position then as VP.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:50 AM
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13. If he has as much influence and power as Dick Cheesey
he could be quite influential as a VP. However, I think Bill will be listened to first. Now I just happened to think...another good reason for Clark to be on Clinton's ticket...is it would give the impression she listens to someone other than Bill and that could help her gain votes from people who don't like Bill or his policies.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:51 AM
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14. Would enough time have elapsed?
I think he has to be out of the military for 10 years.

I would still like to see him as veep though. I think he would balance the ticket so well.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:54 AM
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16. That's For Sec. Of Defense, Unless I Am Mistaken
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 11:29 AM by Dinger
And he won't be able to do that till 2010 at least.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:25 AM
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17. the rule is for Secretary of DEFENSE....10 years a civilian
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 03:49 PM
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73. I agree, Bosshog
If not President then SoS.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:22 AM
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3. Is he waiting for an offer as #2?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:24 AM
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4. Skinner thinks maybe he is. See post #1. nt
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:24 AM
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5. Please, please, please someone pick him for
veep. I think with any of our front runners & Clark as No. 2 would be an unbeatable one-two punch.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:58 AM
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21. He might be the ONLY way any of our front runners can win.
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 12:10 PM by Clark2008
And, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an Edwards/Clark ticket. Won't happen.


P.S. If he IS, however, someone's VP choice - can I get VP-ONLY gear? I couldn't sell any of the front-runners in my area, but I could Clark. :)

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:12 PM
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27. Why not?
n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:21 PM
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34. I live in the South.
I could sell a general, but I'm already hearing groans - even from some non-Republicans - about HRC, Obama and Edwards.
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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:28 AM
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8. He'd balance Clinton's ticket nicely --
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 10:30 AM by Lobster Martini
Should Hillary get the nomimation, his presence would reassure those who would be nervous about having a female commander-in-chief, and he'd provide some geographical balance as well. Perhaps not a perfect fit, but I never understood how Quayle became VP either.

Edit -- No, I didn't just compare Clark to Quayle! I meant that sometimes unlikely alliances work!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:37 AM
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10. I Like Him With Gore A Lot Better Than With Hillary
Edited on Fri Jun-01-07 10:38 AM by Dinger
IF and I mean IF he runs as a VP, I sincerely hope it is with Gore.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:44 AM
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11. I agree, though I'd rather he run for President!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:47 AM
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12. Damn Right ! '08 Hopes Fading, My Ass!
Go ahead everybody, relaaaaaaaaaax, get comfortable. I'm sure Wes isn't a threat at all:sarcasm:
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:52 AM
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15. I'm not worried about him being a threat to the front runners.
(Or who are the front runners at this time since it's a long way off.)

In fact, I was pulling for Clark in '04.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:46 AM
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19. I think he probably would be
a threat to the front runners, but unless he jumps in, it's just speculation (or my biased opinion lol) It would be interesting though.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:49 AM
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20. I prefer Clark as Pres...but he compliments each major contender
He would help Hillary immensely for reasons pointed out earlier. Clark solidifies the ticket's defense credentials, opposed the Iraq War which would compliment Hillary's early support, he has an aura of earnestness that would also bode well with a Hillary candidacy.

Similarly, if Obama is the nominee Clark compliments by showing lots of experience to compliment Obama's youth. He also balances the ticket geographically for Obama. General Clark can smack down critics and could be a very formidable attack dog VP to compliment Obama's conciliatory style. And, of course, his military strengths and objections to the Iraq War help. Who better than Clark could smack down the Republican candidates if and when they try to paint the Dems as weak on defense....and we all know this is in the Republican play book. With Clark on the ticket, it would look foolish for them to even try!

Clark also balances Edwards, who also does not have much in the way of foreign policy experience. Both are progressives, especially Clark, and from the South. Again, Clark has a more mature image that compliments Edwards youthful image.

And Gore/Clark would simply be a DREAM TICKET. Unbeatable. And two true progressives with a horde of honors and experiences unparalleled in recent history. I like this best.

Again, Clark helps the ticket for EVERY other candidate should they get the nomination. The thing about Clark is that a) he genuinely progressive but b) his military credentials lend him an aura of strength so the end result is a "stealth progressive"--a progressive that appeals to moderates, independents, and even some cross-over Reps out there. Maybe we should all keep the "secret" that he really is as progressive as anyone in the mix.

This may be why Clark would help Hillary the most...she is just the opposite of a stealth liberal---she is less progressive but is viewed by many as more liberal. There would be a huge irony if someone way to the left of Hillary such as Clark would actually make the ticket seem less "liberal" and more electable. The Hillary haters of the right would shxt in their britches!!!!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:01 PM
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23. As I said above, don't hold your breath waiting for an Edwards/Clark ticket.
I don't see that one occurring in a gazillion years.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:05 PM
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25. not holding breath!
Clark would help Edwards, but not likely Edwards would select him.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:15 PM
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28. Why wouldn't Edwards choose him as VP?
n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:22 PM
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35. Other way around.
I don't think Clark would accept being Edwards VP.

Google Wes Clark Jr. and John Edwards and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:03 PM
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24. I'm Sure Politico Would Love It If Clark Wouldn't Run. They Lean right
So this doesn't surprise me a bit.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:11 PM
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26. Go pick him up, Gore! n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:15 PM
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29. Obama/Clark: The perfect ticket
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:35 PM
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37. Agreed; that would be a great pick by Barack
:toast:
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 01:49 AM
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47. Wesley Clark is much older and has much more executive experience
He served and was wounded in Vietnam, led the NATO forces against the Serbians, and was a four-star general.

To put Obama ahead of Clark on a ticket would be a gigantic insult.

P.S. Clark would be my second choice after Edwards. And I'd feel bad about even seeing Clark second place to Edwards.
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Thirtieschild Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:17 PM
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30. Clark would make a major difference
Not happy with ANY of the declared candidates. Clark as number one would be the best it could be, number two would be next best.
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jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 08:17 PM
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33. I think Clark will run
He has never shyed away from duty, honor country, defending and protecting our constitution and putting country before self. He knows the current candidates don't have what it takes to #1 clean up the mess Jr. will leave behind, and #2 deal with the next FP crisis.

I do think if Gore runs, Clark won't. Only thing is, he can't wait that long, so unless he and Gore "talk" -- who knows?!

A Gore/Clark ticket would mobilize our base like nothing we've ever seen before. I'd bust my butt for that ticket -- as well as for Clark/anybody.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 09:34 PM
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40. Clark would be a historically great president, but he's not going to run.
I love this guy, but I suspect he's holding out to endorse either Gore (if he runs) or will fall back an endorse Hillary.

I'm supporting Obama because he's the best candidate of all those declared. Hands down.

Still, should Al Gore enter, then I would go with Al at that point and hope that he would choose Obama as his VP.

Clark will be the next head of the Homeland Defense Department and will make it shine.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:18 PM
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43. Agreed
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:45 PM
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42. He's a better choice, but not a better candidate
Considering this field, I hope my #1 choice, Gen Clark, does not get in the race. This thing is over. Its Hillary Clinton's to lose. Even the GOP knows it. Time for Gen Clark to work for the #2 spot, where he can do a whole lot of good.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:49 AM
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51. Even the GOP KNOWS Hillary is inevitable? They INVENTED that meme!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 11:54 PM
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44. What's with this business?? Last two paragraphs...
Clark, meanwhile, said he hadn't considered the question of his own endorsement, and he declined to explain his thinking about his own candidacy.

"I haven't been able to articulate that publicly," he said.

*************************

He's said something before about being involved in other things that were affecting his running or announcing or whatever.

But this is different....Not being "able to articulate...publicly" ....

What is so sacrosanct that it can't be discussed publicly? Is he beholden to someone, something? Frankly, the mysterious business isn't
what we need right now....Why is SECRECY so important for Clark??? Who is he tied to???
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 07:56 PM
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58. Maybe he has promised someone that he'd be their VP or get a cabinet post
if they won. Maybe Hillary/Clark!
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 03:23 PM
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72. It sounds silly "Not being able to articulate" his thoughts
I think he wants to run, but is waiting for an opening. As a back-up plan, he's schmoozing other candidates to secure VP or another position. Its just how politics and life works, he's gotta network if he wants a job in the next administration.

I'm surprised where his campaign workers in 2004 went - did they jump elsewhere, because if he really wanted to run in 2008, his 2004 run should have created a base for him to start.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 04:16 AM
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48. Hey, General Clark? Keep some energy in reserve, wouldja?
The Field isn't quite done being defined yet. We'll see where we are at the end of the summer. Methinks things might be a little bit...different by then. Thinking of you--BlueIris.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 05:28 AM
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49. Amazing.......Wes Clark ain't even running, and yet according to Politico,
his campaign is fizzling!

How does that work? :shrug:


Maybe the media is getting an early start!
http://www.awesclarkdemocrat.com/2007/05/presley_marque_for_president.htm#more

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 07:12 AM
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50. Politico Is A Fuckin' Rag!!
faux "news" lite if you ask me!
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:23 PM
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61. Politico to Drudge to Politico to Drudge
They needed a way to echo sound bites back and forth, so they created Politico. They're actually trying to sell this cyber-rag as if it's an honest publication.

General Clark should avoid them in the future.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:29 PM
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68. No Shit
You're spot on Donna!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:51 AM
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52. Yeah -- "momentum behind his undeclared candidacy" -- lol!
Seems to me they're afraid of him.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:40 AM
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56. Great link!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 08:21 PM
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60. Politico sucks. It's run by a guy who kissses more Repub ass than Tweety.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 08:09 AM
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66. I agree.
I wish DU-ers would stop using it as a "news" source.

TC
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:37 AM
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53. I've met Wes Clark and chatted one-on-one a few times
He's for real--no act, no positioning, no soundbytes for the
11 o'clock news. If his public speaking were as good as the
rest of him, he would have been president since Jan. 20,
2005. But it's not. He might go for VP, but my suspicion is
Secretary of State, and with his organizational and people
skills, he be brilliant at State. He WOULD be brilliant as
President, too, but the trouble is, he would not be a brilliant
presidential candidate. If you think Al Gore comes off as too
intellectual sometimes, try talking to Wes Clark some day. He
can discuss military strategy in one breath and molecular biology
in the next. He has more smarts than Bush has lame facial expressions
and that's saying something.

Don't look for him to start a run for the White House, but look
for any and every potential presidential nominee to have him on
their short list.

As for Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Indiana, for those who were wondering),
I had expected great things from him 7 years ago. When he wants to
be, he can be a compelling speaker, too. His wife is a brain, to boot.
But--Bayh has not really distinguished himself much in the past 7 years,
and that is what we have been so forlornly looking for. At the time, I
told him that I could envision him on a national ticket some day. He told
me I was "very brave" to make such a prediction. He knew the score better
than I did: he was right.

There was some friction between Clinton and Clark while Clark was NATO
head. I don't think this extended to Hillary, but I don't know one way
or the other. He would surely enhance the candidacy of any presidential
candidate. Al Gore and Wes Clark--I wish. But that would be too easy.
I think that could be a 60-40 win for us. Why make it easy for ourselves
when we can make it hard, right?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:58 PM
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62. Other than I don't think his speaking skills are nearly as bad
as you, I can pretty much agree with this assessment.

Rather than his being overly elite and intellectual, though - I think it's our idiotic media that keeps him from being a stellar candidate. He's fine on the stump... if we'd ever get to hear from him.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:15 PM
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64. I've met Ckark too AND I've seen his speak over a dozen times
I agree with you about who he is, but I disagree with you about how he comes across while speaking in public. Clark can give thoughtful presentations that blow people away with the clarity of his thinking and the topics he is willing to openly and honestly speak of, AND he can deliver a good barn burner when called for. He varies his speech for the setting and occaision. Clark has a lot more political speaking under his belt now compared to 2004. He campaigned extensively for Democrats in 2006 for example. YouTube has an excellent library of Clark speaking in numerous settings. It's worth visiting.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 08:06 AM
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65. I have to admit
I haven't seen him give a CAMPAIGN speech since 2004, when he was stiff
and unpolished. When speaking about anything else, and drops the campaign
mode, he is on solid ground, and is spellbindingly articulate.

I should have made the distinction, sorry.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:50 PM
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71. Why Did Clinton Award Clark the Presidential Medal Of Freedom?
I am really not aware of friction between Clark & Clinton.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 08:29 AM
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67. "wartime" election?
If that is all this is going to be about again, I'm not into it. I'm TIRED of "wartime" elections and using the occupation of Iraq as a vote getter. After all, it worked so well in 2004.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:32 PM
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69. You may be tired and many DUers were as tired in 2004
However, the Iraq war remains number one in the minds of voters and national security is almost tied with the economy for second place concern. This will be a national security election unavoidably.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:41 PM
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70. Then don't wonder about the low turnout
because if Democrats don't do something to end this occupation before then or impeach Bush and his cronies, I doubt many will be "energized" enough to vote for the same thing again.
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