More startling Hillary revelations from Bernstein: People suspected an affair with Vince Foster!

[wyldwolf]

Noooo! Really? We sure haven't heard THAT before! Oh, and people thought universal healthcare was just a crazy idea!

Wonder what page the lesbian implication rears it's head?

As someone said in my threadyesterday, "I guess Bernstein thought he was slamming Hillary in this book, but he might find out that it simply shows her as very human and much like the rest of us."

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article1874664.ece

[Double T]

1. I would totally discount the old, rehashed, rumor and innuendo regarding Hilliary and...........

Vince Foster and be much more concerned about her actual corporatist position regarding the illegal alien immigration legislation and her support for increasing the number of H1B Visas.

[wakeme2008]

4. And her Bomb Bomb bomb Iran position

:grr:

[MonkeyFunk]

32. When did she say she wanted to bomb Iran?

[The Magistrate]

49. She Never Has Said It, Sir, Or Anything Remotely Resembling It

She has several times employed the standard "all options are on the table" boilerplate when the subject of Iran's drive for nuclear weapons comes up.

"Geat oaks from little acorns grow."

[wyldwolf]

50. thank you.

[bigdarryl]

5. Evert time someone brings up the odd marriage and life of the Clintons the excuse is...

It's OLD NEWS!!!.

[wyldwolf]

7. the FACT is it's old news.

[Double T]

11. This tabloid trash has been beat to death and has no legs or validity..........

I wish voters would focus on the crucial issues and ignore the baseless smear fodder regurgitated by the rethugs and their paid shills.

[doggyboy]

21. I see nothing odd about their marriage

What are you referring to?

Their achievements? If so, I wouldnt call them "odd". I'd call them "productive"

[Joe Bacon]

40. Hey Carl, what about Rudy, Newt and Mc Cain's adultery?

Hey, not a peep from you, Carl, why??????

[Frances]

14. It's ironic isn't it

that while Bernstein was married to Nora Ephron, he had an affair with a married woman. Ephron wrote a very humorous book about how that affair broke up her marriage to Bernstein. I think it was called Heartburn.

As I recall Dustin Hoffman studied Berstein before he played Bernstein in the famous Woodward-Bernstein movie about Watergate. Hoffman said, "Bernstein's a fuck-up."

[Clark2008]

2. Is Bernstein going broke or something?

I've been reading your threads on the "revalations" coming from his HRC book and have started to wonder if he simply put this piece of tabloid trash out there to pay off some bills.

Or, maybe he saw what shilling for the darkside has done for his pal, Woodward. :shrug:

[dave_p]

3. I'd fuck him

... if that helps get more MSM crud out of the way.

Now, what's her foreign policy stance again?

[Captain Hilts]

6. Well, the folks on those C-Span focus groups said she wasn't "feminine" enough. Good grief!

It's all so stupid.

[jefferson_dem]

8. Bernstein's screed aside, i'm not sure extra marital relationships are the sort of "humanity"

(you know, "much like the rest of us") worth admiring.

Can we be done with all the Clinton muck already?

[iamjoy]

9. Shows Her As Human

I do think it shows her as human, you almost feel sorry for her.

Before reading this article, I perceived Hillary as a very cold, calculating woman. Brilliant and shrewd but not warm. Reading this, I still don't see her as "warm" - but I do feel sympathetic towards her, maybe even empathetic - I know what its like to be misunderstood. In this article, Hillary comes across as tragically flawed rather than selfishly conniving.

[loyalsister]

17. Interesting

There could be some smart strategy at play with some of these books.

I think they may have become a very very smart and useful vehicle used by campaign themselves to drive out the worst possible real or imagined dirt. They can package it with humanizaion, charm, or whatever else may soften the blow long before the heat of the general election campaign begins.

They are out there to counter the most negative books and propaganda.

I remember reading a news report that the J.H. Hatfield, who wrote "Fortunate Son" was going to reveal that his source for the facts about *'s history with cocaine was Karl Rove.
Go figure, the guy was found dead before he could make make that revelation.

I'm thinking Rove knew it would come out and had to go ahead and confirm. I have a sneaking suspicion that Hatfield maybe wrote a book that went further than Rove wanted\expected.

[Buzz Clik]

10. I heard a rumor that Marilyn Monroe was boinking JFK. Say it isn't so!

[BeyondGeography]

12. It's a good read; nothing new, but entertaining nonetheless

Bernstein might sell a few copies of this thing.

[illinoisprogressive]

13. Since i don't like Hillary i really don't care

[Forkboy]

16. I don't care FOR her,but I care about the truth...and this ain't it.

These books (this one and the Gerth one coming next) are sure to be filled with lies.We should defend people from that shit whether we like them or not. :shrug:

[doggyboy]

23. Not everyone cares about the truth

and it's nice to know who they are.

Most have the sense to keep it to themselves and most democrats are unwilling to take assistance from the repukes.

Naderites are a whole other story

[Bitwit1234]

15. Golly gee whiz and wholly moley

will they blame 9/11 on Hillary instead of Bill now. I guess people think as long as the write a book that slams one or the other of the Clintons they will make a mint. Guess they think the republicans have deep pockets. No body else with sense will buy all these trashy tell all books, on democrats or republicans.

[blm]

18. Hey Carl, why not examine whether Hillary will open the books on BushInc or not?

THAT is information the public REALLY NEEDS!

[wyldwolf]

19. better yet, do a bio on John Kerry and find out why he didn't fight back in 2004

[Forkboy]

20. I'm sure the author would then be believable to you.

[wyldwolf]

22. Nope. But then again, I don't try to hijack every thread with Clinton conspiracies

...or hints of them.

[Forkboy]

25. For such a simple post from blm I completely misread it.

So,apologies to you Wolf.

[wyldwolf]

31. you'd have to know her posting history

[blm]

44. Sorry I don't believe Poppy and Clinton's closeness is as healthy and benign as YOU believe.

Gee - I guess there has been a scarcity of turnip trucks in my neighborhood.

[wyldwolf]

45. If only Kerry had fought back we wouldn't be in this mess!

[flpoljunkie]

26. Fighting back made futile when Carville tipped Matalin of JK's plan to challenge provision ballots

Apparently, Blackwell--after being notified by the White House of Kerry's plan to challenge the provisional ballots--told Kerry campaign there were not enough of these provisional ballots to change the outcome--only about 175,000 provisional ballots--not 250,000, while Bush's margin of victory was about 140,000.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling. On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

[blm]

28. Media Matters and LAPDOGS (Boehlert) covered that media conspiracy already, wyld.

And most good Democrats would be attacking ALL media conspiracies against them and not letting them off the hook for it, instead of picking and choosing which media conspiracies they notice.

I don't reify the RW corpmedia talking points against the Clintons. YOU do reify the talking points established against Kerry.

[wyldwolf]

30. If only Kerry had fought back we wouldn't be in this mess!

[doggyboy]

24. Nice to see a truth-seeker

couldnt care less about the truth of this story

[blm]

27. I don't care one whit about personal lives and wish the corpmedia cared enough

about democracy in this country to feel the same way.

[doggyboy]

29. Do you care about the truth?

It doesnt appear that way

[blm]

42. I believe corpmedia should keep ALL personal lives out of campaigns and I know

better than to believe the Vince Foster stuff because it was vetted once before in 93 and acknowledged that it was a longstanding joke amongst their friends that Foster and Hillary were close - key word being JOKE.

Sorry my outrage meter doesn't fly as high on this type of crap the way it does on govt. corruption issues.

[doggyboy]

43. I see

you have other priorities

[blm]

46. Truth matters very much to me - especially when it comes to this nation's governance.

I don't care much for those who would lie to the citizenry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[jcrew2001]

33. I bet if Hillary passed the bar in DC - things would have been very different

she would not have moved to Arkansas and married Bill.

In the end, I think she's where she wants to be in life, but I think she would have loved working as a lawyer in DC instead of Arkansas. Its kinda amazing how one test has affected our political world.

[ElizabethDC]

34. She could have retaken the DC bar if that's what she really wanted to do

but I'm guessing that she took not passing it as yet another sign that she should go be with Bill in Arkansas.

She also could have taken the bar in other states (and maybe she did, I don't know) - New York, Illinois, etc.

[jcrew2001]

35. But if she passed it the first time, things would have been different

While Bill is quite the charmer, I think she would have dumped him and stayed in DC if she could have gotten a job there. Bill actually had suggested that she run for political office in a separate state, so who knows if she could have gotten to the Senate without being married to Bill.

I think Bill still could have made it to the presidency with a different wife.

[ElizabethDC]

36. Well, neither you nor I know what would have happened

whether or not Hillary had passed the DC bar on the first try, or whether or not Hillary would be in the Senate, or whether or not Bill could have made it to the White House without her. It's impossible to know.

My personal opinion, however, is that the DC bar was probably a only minor factor in her decisions. You don't go off and marry someone just because you didn't pass a test.

[jcrew2001]

41. If you can't get a job as a lawyer and will be unemployed

I think your options are pretty limited. She did pass in Arkansas, so it was either wait tables in DC while studying for the bar again, or move to Arkansas and start work as a lawyer. I think she should have stayed at DC and tried the bar again, DC lawyers make a ton more than Arkansas lawyers, not counting the cattle futures.

[ElizabethDC]

51. I don't think Hillary was ever going to wait tables, regardless

besides, she worked on the impeachment inquiry team agaisnt Nixon in DC and had already worked for the Children's Defense Fund as well, so she had plenty of options.

Also, I don't know what the law was then, but today DC allows attorneys to have passed the bar in other states to practice law in DC, so long as they obtained a specified minimum score on the multistate portion of the bar exam.

[hatrack]

37. Boring innuendo then, REALLY fucking boring innuendo now

:boring:

[StudentProgressive]

38. Personal affairs are personal affairs

They have no place in our political discussion.

After all, there are plenty of good moral reasons to not vote for Hillary Clinton outside of her personal life.

[zulchzulu]

39. You go grrrl!

If the First Lady was having a little on the side while hubby was too, so be it... is it an issue for 2008....um....no.

[AtomicKitten]

47. Hillary shtupped Vince Foster's rotting corpse?

now THAT'S a story

[Sparkly]

48. "People suspected" all sorts of things.

And some "people suspect" George W. Bush is a Texan cowboy. :eyes:

One thing about the Clintons -- a lot of people have made a lot of money dishing dirt on them. It's just amazing how much mileage they can get out of the same tired "suspicions."