Have you been following this story?.... More on the JFK airport terror plot (BIG update)

[babsbunny]

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/06/more-on-jfk-airport-terror-plot.html

(I've added much to this account, and have taken the research into areas visited by few other bloggers. Yes, it's a big, long, weird story -- but I beg you to stay with it.)

An FBI informant was involved with the JFK airport terror plotters:

The plan was foiled with the help of an informant who recorded conversations with the suspects as recently as last month.
But so far, we have no reason to believe that the informant encouraged criminality, as has occurred in previous instances.

An initial report on CNN fleetingly suggested that the plot actually concerned drugs in some way. Certain factors make the idea intriguing -- after all, the story involves airport personnel who have strange connections to the Caribbean. Stranger still, two of the four accused, Russell Defreitas and Abdul Kadir, come from the South American nation of Guyana.

Accused plotter Abdul Kadir, a former member of parliament in Guyana (!), was on his way to an Islamic religious conference in Iran. His daughter denies that he has any association with either the other accused conspirators or with any anti-American activity. However:

[babylonsister]

1. Rec'd. I just love the internets! nt

[NMDemDist2]

2. interesting K&N n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. kerosene

is a low combustible fuel used as jet engine fuel. Also hikers, campers, even the ultra poor use it for heat. Some even use it to power fridges. It must be heated before it burns, making it extraordinarily safe for transportation etc. And it does not "explode".

This whole story is beginning to stink. again.

[TalkingDog]

5. "even the ultra poor use it for heat"

Wow!

Didn't realize me and the spousal unit and a large number of people we know were ultra poor. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Sometimes you need to knock the chill off or warm up a basement or an outbuilding or as my other "ultra poor" friends use it, to heat spaces for their donkeys, cows and outdoor dogs.

Prejudice (pre-judgement) creeps in the funniest places.....

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. that was not my intent.

but if you want to take offense when none was intended, fine by me.

See, in india, and africa, and poor parts of central and south america, kerosene is easily transported, safe, and convenient. most important, it is cheap(er). I did not suggest that use of it means one is ultra poor. But, hey, go ahead and attack people for a perceived slight. I suspect you do that a lot.

[TalkingDog]

15. "I suspect you do that a lot."

You sure seem to like making unwarranted assumptions about people.


One of the hazards of presenting information (or opinion) to the "public" is that the presenter must understand that the offering can be misconstrued unless the message and intent is clearly defined. That's why teaching critical thinking in our educational system is so important.

There is an idea that: Communication is the response you get. So when you present information and you get an unwanted or unexpected response, it means you have obviously miscommunicated and may need to restate your case or work further to clear the confusion. And although you were snarky about it, you did expand your presentation to better define the terms of your argument.

My intent, which you obviously understood, was to point out the sweeping generalization of your statement. So, in my instance, I communicated my intent and ideas effectively based on your expanded response.

Taking offense at poor communication is illogical and unproductive. Likewise, taking offense at effective communication is just as illogical and even more unproductive. It is better to accept that you communicated poorly and strive to improve yourself in your next attempt.

That is, if you actually care about communicating well. Otherwise prepare to be thumped on the ear on the occasions when you do it poorly and try to accept it with better grace than you have in this instance.

[Jokinomx]

4. Interesting Reporting...

It sure sounds like we are being given a line of bullshit AGAIN!

[gratuitous]

6. No, no, NO! This was a foiled TERRORIST plot!

Please stick with the propaganda as written, and don't look too closely at the facts and details. Everyone knows those have a decidedly liberal bias, and that simply can't be allowed.

So, while the authorities bust up conservative whackos with caches of arms that should cause a little more widespread alarm, those aren't terrorist activities by common, tacit agreement. But somebody torches an SUV? He's a TERRORIST!

Please try to catapult the propaganda properly.

[Jade Fox]

10. Breaking: Terrorists TP'd my lawn last night!!

I didn't see them, but I'm sure they were Islamofascists who are now plotting an attack on my house that will be bigger than 9/11!!:crazy:

[BlueIris]

17. Terrarists slashed my tires and stole candy from my baby!!!

And I don't even have a car right now, or any children.

[Gregorian]

7. Can you say trifecta?

I have not been following this story at all. But after reading your post, I walk away with a sense that this may be a great way for them to revive the fear. It legitimizes the illegitimate drug war. It keeps terror threats alive. It ties in to Iran. Trifecta!

I don't want to wait until 2009. I don't believe a thing they say through their right wing megaphone media.

I may be wrong about all of this, having only read your post. But I'd find it hard to believe anyone who ignored the Aug. 6th pdb of 2001, and continued to read a kid's book during a massive attack on the country could possibly care now. Unless it furthered their agenda.

[Joanne98]

8. It's a strange story and it smells to high heaven....

[HowHasItComeToThis]

9. I wonder if the u.s. attorney is a GOOD BUSHIE

THIS WAS DONE TO GIVE THE RIGHT WING MEDIA WEEKEND FODDER

[Peace Patriot]

11. I was thinking that the Bush-purged CIA's killing of Valerie Plame's book--

which she had a press conference about, on Friday, I believe--was the reason for this latest orange peel terst alert.

Anything else out there on the radar? Oh, yeah, the people of Venezuela said "Begone!" to a frothing-at-the-mouth rightwing corporate news monopoly that aided the violent military coup attempt in 2002.

Wish we could do that.

Our frothing-at-the-mouth echo chamber has made much of it, once again calling Chavez a "dictator" on the basis of no evidence whatsoever (and in the teeth of overwhelming evidence to the contrary). But maybe that ain't such a good idea for the fascists--to call attention to the right of a free and democratic people to regulate their public airwaves and demand fairness and not supporting coups (including our own, of the electoral kind). So maybe they had to, quick, cook up a thing at JFK airport, to cover that mistake--the mistake of letting the American people know what real democracy looks like. Would that we had such a "dictator"! Smackeroo to Faux News and the whole rotten gang of rightwing billionaire "news" CEOs--all 5 of them!--who gag us day and night with their wads of fascist crapola. Ping! You're gone! Next licensee, please step forward!

[roguevalley]

13. all the experts the media have consulted said this was a nice idea

but completely unworkable. another hornblower for the dimwits in the white house that will be another cry wolf before something real ever happens.

[cui bono]

14. Sorry for my ignorance on this...

I haven't followed this story so I don't have the background on it and perhaps that's why I could not easily digest that article...

Is the basic point here that this was a drug smuggling operation and not a terrorist activity and that it was simply "billed" as terrorist activity to incite fear once again and prove that BushCo is doing well to stop the terrorists?

Also, I'm curious as to who all were saying that this was another plot that was not feasible?

[BlueIris]

16. Aw, thanks for bringing Joe's update here.

I love Cannonfire. Mostly. Most of the time.

This is one of THE weirdest stories I've ever read about there, and he's dug up some WEIRD shit.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

18. oops

they are careless!