Debate Winner - OBAMA!!

[Kingstree]

Clearly the winner. He demonstrated his leadership skills, stated a thoughtful clear vision for his policies and his beliefs for america. He clearly showed that he is a unifier who can brings people together. His response using our reestablishment as the moral authority in the world in order to reclaim our leadership in the world (and everyone on the panel rallied around that) shows the skill that america's needs, unlike Hillary who wanted to lump everything together by using "we are the same" analogy. She voted for the war and still dodges the question even tonight. Edwards said that he was wrong for this vote. Hillary, "Where The Beef"? Admit your mistakes but I guess it takes a real leader to do that.

Obama 2008!
:applause: :yourock:

[flyarm]

1. ya know he talked alot but i didn't think he said anything with all the words!! maybe just me?? eom

[Auntie Bush]

4. Many pundits say the same thing.

[Dawgs]

10. Care to name one?

Or, well you know.

[Auntie Bush]

28. They ALL say she won. Name one who didn't agree...that's easier.

[Kingstree]

80. She Won LOL She did not come back on Dodd

She did not come back on Dodd when he stated they balance the budget with the Social Security Trust fund. Yet you are stating she won the debate. I guess it was a cold day in Hell yesterday.

[Ethelk2044]

11. I know the Pundits are spinning for Clinton

Huffington Post is for Clinton and it is obvious. Many of the callers on C Span are saying the samething Obama won the debate. The callers does not have to spin. However, the Media people will. David Gergen worked for the Clinton Admin. Of course he will side with Hillary.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

27. Huffington post is for Hillary??

LOLLLLL ... Ariana has an almost pathological 'dislike' of Hillary.

[Auntie Bush]

31. Bt she said Hillary won tonight.

[flyarm]

36. i thought Gore won tonight!!..big time!! eom

[doggyboy]

41. Arianna has a long history of making anti-Hillary remarks

including some particularly unsavory attacks. One remark does not make her pro-Hillary

And while saying Hillary won, she managed to get a few digs in

[Radical Activist]

73. That's the meme on Obama.

I see it on blogs a lot too, no matter how many detailed policy plans he outlines.

[Dawgs]

6. Was he not simple enough for you?

Seriously, were you not paying attention or are you attacking a DEMOCRATIC candidate because they are not your favorite?

Obama was not bad. He may not be your favorite, but he's still a good Democrat.

[StudentProgressive]

25. He's no Biden/Hillary

But it seems like he got into the Senate just to go to the Presidency whereas he could've used that seat for significant leadership and opposition to Bush.

[mckeown1128]

49. You are right!!!

Obama is NOT like Biden and Hillary... he is against wars of aggression when they are unpopular and popular...

[Dawgs]

70. Obama became popular because of his speech in 04'.

His popularity convinced him to run for President.

Hillary, on the other hand, used the Senate as a stepping stone to the Presidency. I think even she will admit it.

Who's Biden?

[Kingstree]

79. And Hillary became popular because of her Husband

She has not done anything to warrant her status.

[jakem]

75. wait a minute...

and Hillary did not go for the NY senate seat because she was eyeing the presiduncy?

HA!

[flyarm]

40. excuse me i watched uninterrupted and i watched diligently

i am an elected delegate from my state..

i am very aware of what i am watching..and i said what my opinion is..i am entitled to my opinion ,as are you..but do not for one minute think you can decide for me what my opinion is..or if i heard waht i heard correctly or not...or if he was simple enough for me..i will say it again..he said alot of words and alot of nothing to me!!

fly

[question everything]

Agre. He appeared nice and compassinate

but not a leader who can fire the citizens to follow him.

[Ethelk2044]

21. Except the thousands who are following him

[draft_mario_cuomo]

19. I agree. He offered a series of platitudes and no specifics, except on health care nt

[Dawgs]

2. Agree.

Obama won with leadership, IDEAS, and honesty. Whether DUers and the American public agree, I can't say.

Hillary, Edwards, Dodd, and Biden also looked good. Richardson's line of 'universal education for all' and boycotting Olympics didn't make much sense.

We have a lot of good candidates, but only a few that are ELECTABLE. Hillary is not electable.

[illinoisprogressive]

3. i agree 100%

[BlackHawk706867]

5. I like OBAMA... but I gotta say that all of the candidates were good tonite....

Kucinich was very good tonite as well IMO..... (as he always is) it's too bad that several of the candidates are probably going to be passed by due to lack of name recognition.... ie: Granville, Kucinich, and possibly others..... Don't get me wrong, I think Barak would make a great President...

ww

[rufus dog]

56. are you kidding me!

I agree with you on many points, I thought Obama won, but the majority of the others did very well. Clinton did a great job, Biden did a great job, Edwards got his points across, Gravel fulfilled a purpose, Richardson seems a bit weak on his ability to get his point across, but Kucinich fucking sucked, same line over and over again, absolutely no depth, he needs to go away.

[illinoisprogressive]

7. cnn is owned by the clintons. they are claiming her highness won. yeah right

obama won and was fabulous but, they don't like that he didn't dismiss the other candidates and engage in cheap shots.

[William769]

12. The Clinton's own CNN?

:rofl:

And you expect people to take you seriously? :rofl:

[Ethelk2044]

15. I agree

Look who they have as Analyst. David Gergen who worked for Bill's Admin. Donna Bazile who are friends with the clintons and James Carville who is working with Hillary's campaign. Come on please of course they are going to say Hillary won.

[William769]

16. Donna Bazile working for Clintons campaign?

[Colobo]

17. Donna thinks Edwards won. She's nuts.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

34. He offerred the most substance of the top three contenders. He won. The people at DailyKos agree nt

[Kingstree]

38. He provided the most aggression not the most content

[William769]

54. This isn't daily kos. NT

[rufus dog]

57. do not agree

I am officially supporting Obama and think he won. A valid argument could be made that Clinton, Edwards, or Biden won. I think Edwards missed a potential to win points by jumping on Wolf like Hillary and Barrack did. I forget the exact question but it was another divisive question where he could have turned it back at him as a BS question and the root cause of the problem is GWB. The other missed opportunity was to say, "we have some minor differences, but we are all trying to provide a solution, unlike the Republican candidates that seem to try to out torture each other.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

30. I think that Gergen worked for more repugs than dems.

I do know that he's a repug. Brazille never worked for the Clintons that I heard of. :shrug:

[Kingstree]

78. He use to work for the Bill Clinton when he was in Office

Therefore take what he say with a grain of salt.

[TeamJordan23]

29. yep, both Gergen and Carville have worked for Bill Clinton (nm)

nm

[Ethelk2044]

8. I Agree with You

He did good tonight. He answered the questions. He brought up his war authorization. He also was correct about bringing up the moral issue. No one is going to listen to us if we don't improve our foreign relations. We need to close the gitmo. His vision will pull the country together again. I agree Obama did Well Tonight.

[William769]

9. Psst.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1036326&mesg_id=1036326

Don't get me wrong Obama did good. But unlike some people, I can give credit where credit is due, with that said thats why i don't even respond to some peoples post.

[Dawgs]

13. Interesting.

Most people in that poll you published supported someone other than Clinton.

[William769]

14. What poll did I publish?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

18. Obama displayed his strengths but, once again, where's the beef?

He continues to offer platitude after platitude. Aside from health care, did he say what exactly he was going to do on anything?

On the plus side, he was consistently strong. In the last debate he was very inconsistent, sometimes very poor, other times very strong. It seems his inexperience showed last time. This time he did not stumble on any question and stuck to his (strong) talking points and his powerful (powerful in the it would focus group well sense), albeit, generic rhetoric.

==he is a unifier who can brings people together.==

That is the main theme of his campaign. We need to discuss this. First, is that feasible? Second, what are the costs of seeking to unify (what concessions will have to be made to the Republicans to achieve this?)? However, this is a feel-good thread for Obama supporters so I ask that discussion of these important questions regarding Obama be deferred to another day. I just wanted to point this out because people are assuming "unity" is easy to achieve and comes free of charge.

One other thing. I remember someone else who campaigned on "unity" in 2000...

[Kingstree]

23. Daily Kos

Has Edwards winning then Obama. Again it is not the media. It is everyday people voting. The media as a candidate in mind they want to win.

[flyarm]

42. I agree with Edwards winning..he spoke to me!! he came out fighting..

and he was the leader to me tonight!!

fly

[lyonn]

81. Edwards is classy and has toughened up.

I like Biden but Edwards has a good chance to capture the nomination, don't think Biden can gather the money or attention from the media. Biden is getting a little attention, not enough.

Edwards definitely impressed me last night with his claity and no nonsense attitude.

[TeamJordan23]

26. Who really has beef in the debates?

It's just a quick couple sentences for each question. I think he went to specifics just as detailed as any other person up there.

[rufus dog]

59. where is the beef

I agree that is a fucking lame ass excuse to critique anyone in this type of debate format. It is a FUCKING REPUBLICAN TALKING POINT that can't be addressed in a one to two minute response. You could make that claim about any one of the eight up there.

[Kingstree]

37. Do you like the present situation were in?

I guess you must like the bull headed, arrogant stubbornness that we are in now. Our credibility and good standing in this world is a mess and you're calling uniting this country and the world a negative. Yes it is feasible because we as americans are losing blood and treasure daily along with $$ that are needed to heal this country. As for concessions, that's a reality, no one on that stage tonight along with the Republicans are going to deny that. Don't fool yourself. If you like sound bites and not much thought, that's OK. You call it platitude, I call it thought and progression. We need thinkers at the presidental level, not people who react without thought. Maybe what he stated was too deep for you to understand.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

45. We got in this situation because people liked a candidate in 2000 who promised to "unite" us

Excuse me for not blindly cheering when a politician calls for "unity" (a sure focus group winner!).

==you're calling uniting this country and the world a negative.==

No. Read what I said. It may be a positive, it may be a negative. Obama has not told us what concessions he plans to make to conservative Republicans to achieve his goal of unity. We can't intelligently assess the impact of this until he tells us what he intends to do.

==Yes it is feasible because we as americans are losing blood and treasure daily along with $$ that are needed to heal this country.==

When has this country ever been "united"? It has been divided ever since Lexington and Concord. Can Obama's rhetoric achieve what Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, JFK, et al. could not achieve? I doubt it. He needs to actually spell out how he plans to achieve this vaunted goal.


==As for concessions, that's a reality, no one on that stage tonight along with the Republicans are going to deny that.==

Of course. There is a difference in degree, though. Do you think, Kucinich, for instance, would make the same concessions Obama will make? Obama's main rationale for his candidacy is unity. That suggests, if he is being honest (which he seems to be) about this goal and that it is not just a political gimmick (like it was for Bush in 2000), he will have to bend over backwards to make concessions to achieve--and then maintain--"unity."

==You call it platitude, I call it thought and progression. We need thinkers at the presidential level, not people who react without thought.==

Uttering platitudes has nothing to do with thinking. One can think as much as Aristotle and still offer only platitudes. Platitudes are the result of thinking. No one questions Obama's intelligence. It seems, though, that he is playing it safe and being as generic as possible in the hope that he can maintain second place and then win the nomination after emerging as the "anti-HRC."

[Kingstree]

50. I see you are an Edwards fan

Answer this question: What does John Edwards have to offer that he did not have in 2004? Remember, he lost the democratic nomination and also lost the President election along with Kerry. I guess you are blaming Kerry for the loss. I know Edwards is blaming him and he is full of #%$^%!! He could not even carry his own state on 2004, plus he is in 3rd place, tried to turn up the volume tonight (desperation leave a very bad odor). You want to bash Obama about his policies but you're backing a loser. All Edwards did tonight was try to pick a fight in order to look good to the viewing public. A typical politician who has nothing to say but wants to cause confusion. I guess that $400.00 haircut needs some conditioner. Tonight,I don't remember Edwards saying anything constructive or worthy of thought. He just wanted to set a tone for the debate that favors him. It didn't work. Yes I think that Obama has a vision and will bring people together. As I said before, he is thoughtful. Not a guy like Edwards who uses sound bites to make a point, went to New Orleans to declare his candidacy in the 9th Ward, (that was bullshit) using Hurricane Katrina to get support. Has he been there since? No. TYPICAL D.C. POLITICIAN!! I applaud you for supporting him, that's you're guy but desperate people will do anything to get ahead. Just remember, he used his wife's illness as a political platform to garner support. TYPICAL D.C. POLITICIAN. I guess you are one too.

[rufus dog]

61. Uniter!

Mario, it is to degrees, Bush's definition of unity was keeping a 50.01% majority. To him and Karl that was unity. Do you really think Obama believe that. On the other side, do you really think any Dem candidate worth a fucking nickle would think he or she could keep more that 60 to 65% of the population happy. Right off the bat he has 30% of the population that will hate him, based upon what appears to be the Bush Repub baseline. So then he has to keep 5 to 10% of all Dems and Indies from being pissed, ain't going to happen.

Will he have to make some concessions, maybe but you pick and choose when and what you give up. But to suggest and tie him to the Bush message, and there is no what to put this, is FUCKING asinine.

By the way who do you support?

[Radical Activist]

74. None of the candidates had time to speak in detail.

Obama has done so on many other occasions. But I expect this meme to be repeated as it has been frequently since he declared, despite having written a recent book on his political views.

[elizm]

20. Hey Kingstree....is that South Carolina? n/t

[Kingstree]

22. Yes, It is home.

[elizm]

43. Same here...

...From Kingstree....and a Barack Obama supporter. Imagine that! Welcome to DU.

[Kingstree]

46. Thanks

Thank you. I know a good candidate when I see one.

[StudentProgressive]

24. What do you think of his policies?

It seems like all of everything you mentioned are character traits, which are just about irrelevant in a politician.

[TeamJordan23]

32. But, who really went into specifics in the debate?

I don't recall any candidate really getting into detailed specifics (maybe except Richardson on some points).

[draft_mario_cuomo]

33. What policies? He has told us what his name means but not what he intends to do as prez nt

[ripple]

44. Oh, bullshit

It appears that it's more convenient for you to claim it doesn't exist, rather than actually read or listen to it.

[Ethelk2044]

69. Character is always important

I think that his policies on the Iraq War, health care, immigration and others are sound and logical ideas that will be beneficial for a positive change for america. We heard all the candidates say what I will do when I become President, throwing sound bites just to answer questions and mixing their views with others to cause conflict and applause. That's good television and we as americans are so used to this type of spin that we don't think, we just react and we judge based on that. It's momentary but does it accomplish anything. Just look at the current administration. Daily we are told something totally different about the Iraq war and we buy it because we think that we have no choice. Just because Bush is in charge does not mean he knows what he is doing. That evident and we are all the current victims of that. Many politicians buy it too because it keeps them job secure, plus their agendas are far more important than you or me.

I see the next President as a person running a marathon with a 100 meter dash. That dash may take a professional runner 9 to 10 seconds, but along the way you have to make adjustments in order to win, it not just about running fast because everyone in the race is fast, it's the one with the best pre game, game (making adjustments along the way) and post game plan (preparation for the next event) that wins. The next President will have a helluva lot to do done before the finish line, and the pressure will be great, but within that race you have to THINK, carefully develop planning that's thought out, precise, economic and fiscally responsible, using teamwork and above all, a vision that puts and keeps ALL AMERICANS FIRST and foremost that will benefit us as well as our allies abroad. Joe Biden was right, "there will be little room for error" and Hillary Clinton was right, "it's going to take hard work".

I see Barack Obama as that person. Look at the past two Presidents, Bill Clinton, great job running the country but morally bankrupt(Monica Lewinsky and others). George Bush, inept, morally OK (he's a decent family man) but a horrible job running the country (This job is way over his head, constantly using lies and deception about everything). Two Presidents with character flaws on opposite sides.

I see Barack Obama as a change to all that. He's not perfect (no one is) and he does not have the "it' about me" complex. He has confidence and skill. A person with the character of a public servant willing to get his hands dirty, giving tireless effort to do the necessary hard work needed to correct these problems we face. It's not going to be easy, he will be tested (as we all are at times), it will cost (don't be fooled) and as usual, many may not like some of the things he may do. That's life and that's expected no matter who you are, but I see his love for america and the people in it. We americans are so used to the current aggression (the cowboy, my way or the highway attitude) to resolve issues but common sense and logic out weights that. The american citizen needs their country back. All the candidates have a plan but do they have the american citizen in mind. We need someone who put us first. We need that right now. He has that for all.

[bigdarryl]

35. Tell that to the pundits on CNN. you would think Clinton was the only one in the debate the way...

there talking about her performance.

[Kingstree]

52. I have already emailed them.

They insult us as voters. We can tell the difference of who won the debate.

[TeamJordan23]

39. Obama's pronunciation of Pakistan

I am Pakistani-American, and I think Obama is the first politician to my recollection to actually pronounce Pakistan the correct way with the long a's.

I know it no way determines whether he should be president or anything, but as a Pakistani-American, it did bring a "wow" and smile to my face. Just wanted to share that.

[Robbins]

47. Winners and Losers

I am not impressed by Hilary.I thought Edwards won while Obama did very well.I thought Joe Biden did the best out of the second tier candiates.

[rufus dog]

63. too funny

and I thought he was mispronouncing it! That will get him a few votes.

[jillan]

48. I am still waiting for Obama to impress me.

He was the first candidate that I supported.
But he lost me along the way, and I keep waiting for him to win me back.

[Kingstree]

51. What are you waiting for?

Please respond. Thanks.

[jillan]

55. Substance.

I just don't see that coming from him.

I don't see a man that could stand up to Kim Jong Il.

He says all the right things, but he doesn't expand.

Maybe VP.

[Kingstree]

77. He will be Pres.

:bounce:

[mckeown1128]

53. I think it was really close between Obama and Edwards.

Gobama!!! Goedwards!!! :bounce: :headbang:

Obama and Edwards should run together in the General :pals:


Don't Gohillary :eyes:

[lostinacause]

62. I doubt that Hillary is going to win.

She will have trouble gaining the support of people who don't already support her. As the process goes on people will likely shift their support to Obama and Edwards.

[Yukari Yakumo]

65. Actually, I still put Hil as most likely to win

The only hope Obama or Edwards has is that the other drops out early. As long as both stay in the race, they'll divide the vote and give Hil the win.

[Thrill]

58. I think after this debate

I want Gore to run even more

[lostinacause]

60. Obama struck me as the most presidential of the contenders.

While some may claim that he was vague, he gave enough information to convince me that being placed in the position he could do the job. People have to remember that the President it not intended to map out the logistics but rather make sure that the general path is appropriate. The President should rely on experts in the particular area in question to hash out the small details.

I must say that I was impressed with Kucinich’s response to the question on an assassination attempt. He was the only contender who was smart enough to realize that there might be future consequences for such an action. I don’t believe that Kucinich is electable because he lacks charisma and his stances are not close enough to mainstream American views. I also question the effectiveness of his economic policies.

[rufus dog]

64. Logistics and Strategy

Very good post lostinacause.

Why the hell should any one of the contenders put out detailed plans! PULL YOU HEAD OUT! THE REPUBS ARE BEHIND AND WANT THE DETAIL SO THEY CAN PICK AT IT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SHOW YOU GAME PLAN TO THE ENEMY. NAME ONE FUCKING DETAIL FROM THE REPUBS, INCLUDING BUSH, YET THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD MEMBERS WANT THE DEMS TO PROVIDE DETAIL! COME ON THINK!

(and yes I meant to yell)

[TeamJordan23]

66. I think Obama has best shot to get Independents & some Repubs

Just another reason why I believe we should nominate him.

[lostinacause]

82. I agree.

I could probably be classified as an independent and so far of all the democratic candidates he is overall the most solid. He is a good speaker and given his responses in the debates, has strong reasoning skills.

[Hippo_Tron]

67. As someone leaning toward Obama, I don't think that he won tonight

Obama isn't as comfortable on stage as some of the others and it definitely shows. He pauses and uses lots of "um" and "uh". Unfortunately you don't win debates on substance, you win debates on presentation and debating skills and Obama needs more practice in that realm.

[Colobo]

68. He speaks the same way on interviews; that's him.

[Forkboy]

71. An Obama supporter thinking Obama won!

[Nimrod2005]

72. Hands down - Easy. Clearly head and shoulders above

[Judge_Mental]

76. I was really impressed.

He is making a believer out of me.

[TeamJordan23]

83. Haha....Fox News thinks Obama came in LAST in debate

Republican Pollster Frank Luntz said that Obama came in LAST according to his polling of a focus a group.

Is it me, or does Fox News really fear Obama the most? Anyone who clearly saw the debate yesterday knows that Obama easily came in the top 3. Some think he came out on top.

[lostinacause]

84. Yes the Republicans in general fear Obama. There is a tendency to trash talk the person

who poses the greatest threat and clearly Obama does.

[Bullet1987]

85. I actually had Obama at #4, but that's only because Biden did so well

But definently not last...FOX will smear him either way. And every other Dem candidate for that matter.