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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 11:46 PM
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Molly Ivins on the Democratic Debate
i came across this article by Molly shortly before she passed away.
it is as relevant now as she stuff always stands the test of time. She sees clearly, as she did Shrub, our front runner and the dems in general.
From the late great Molly:


AUSTIN, Texas (Creators Syndicate) -- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.

If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines who liked to quote poetry.

What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First, you have to win elections"). Can't you even read the damn polls?

Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes, "There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."

This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, emboldened by "a string of bad new from the Middle East ... into calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman.

Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at this war -- from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they continue to dump on us daily.

You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political reform, I give up on them entirely.

Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.

Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That, or you could just piss on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad news."
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 11:48 PM
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1. HRC is not the only one who this applies too...
"Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone"

There is another candidate who does the same thing. HRC is the only one who is called on it.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:27 AM
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11. John Edwards? Since you didn't say...
And please don't say Barack Obama or Dennis Kucinich...
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StudentProgressive Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 11:50 PM
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2. RIP Molly; we're going to stop Hillary before she can hurt more people
Trust me we will.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 11:54 PM
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4. How lame n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:16 AM
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17. She hasn't hurt anyone. Seek professional help
we're going to stop Hillary before she can hurt more people. Trust me we will.


How are you going to stop her? By crying, stomping your feet, and pounding on your keyboard? You couldn't stop a mosquito with one wing, let alone the Goddess of Peace. Go do a book report or something. Wahhhh...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 11:52 PM
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3. I love Molly and miss her much
But she was wrong. For those who think Hillary should be an icon to right every wrong of the W, that's impossible. But she will be a team leader and consensus builder to get the job done.
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StudentProgressive Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 11:56 PM
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5. "team leader and consensus builder to get the job done."
I saw Hillary speak in 2005. She told me how US soldiers were helping foster womens' rights in Iraq. A month later I heard Iraqi unioinists give a talk saying womens' rights have gone back 50 years.

I don't need to vote for people who've caused so much misery. I declare my solidarity with Iraqis, not preened millionaires.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:01 AM
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6. This is W's war
See the stats at www.icasualties.org
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StudentProgressive Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:03 AM
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7. Anyone who helps him is complicit
She helped him up until she decided to run for President.

I don't just "trust in someone's character"; "hope that she's a good leader" "believe in her charisma!"

She took actions which were lethal for poor human beings on the other side of the world and rarely spoke up until recently. With power comes responsibility. It's sick we live in a country where the powerful are so irresponsible.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:28 AM
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12. Who are you to tell him/her that?
:eyes:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 01:02 AM
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14. I was just thinking the same thing about you.
In fact, I have thought it of you often.

:kick:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:32 PM
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20. She helped W again last night.
Of course, as someone who plans to keep the Occupation going (permanent bases, Imperial Green Palace)in order to protect the OIL & AIPAC interests, she must insist that the War in Iraq has made us safer.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:08 AM
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9. Psst, this is a bipartisan war
and it is not the first time in our history that the Democrats have been in cahoots with the GOP in some foreign imperialist adventure.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:31 AM
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13. Not "the Democrats"...some Democrats.
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 12:31 AM by ellisonz
meme:puke:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:21 AM
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15. Except she is not a leader and she doesn't stand for what I want to be led to.
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 03:21 AM by cui bono
Grammatically incorrect, but you get the point.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:24 AM
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10. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times.
Truer words were never said. And those who refuse to recognize the difference WILL LOSE.

Hillary, et al, may play politics very well, but this is no time for playing politics. There may be no 'better luck next time'; there may be no next time at all.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:56 AM
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16. And for that reason, I was glad to see these words presented again
because they are the best refutation of all the excuse-making that has gone on here for the vote for the Iraq bill that I have ever seen.

Had Molly still been around when that had happened, I think she would have written another column much like this, saying "Regular politics? Bull."
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 07:31 AM
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18. Beautiful - why I'm voting Edwards!
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:52 PM
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24. ...
His record suggests that he wouldn't be taking a principled stand either if he was still in office. Face it, no matter what any of them say, Edwards, Clinton, Kerry and the rest all voted to approve the use of force in Iraq because they didn't want to be labeled "soft on defense".

Only obvious failure in Iraq led any of them to change their position.

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 06:33 PM
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25. Not so... Edwards recanted EARLY while it was still unpopular.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 07:34 AM
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19. Molly Ivins told her readers not to support Al Gore, too.
:eyes:

To pull out an old column to rally the "faithful" like this, someone must be scared now that Clinton has won two debates in a row.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:46 PM
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21. ...
Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone.

This explains why Bill Clinton was (and remains) easily the most successful Democrat in resent memory. An endless string of principled stands resulting in failure is fine if you are a columnist. Politics is a different animal and requires a different strategy. Unless your goal is to join the ranks of the Green Party and the the Libertarian Party on the fringe of US politics.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:50 PM
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22. yep. You nailed it.
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 12:50 PM by wyldwolf
I would rather have a president who DOES look at the polls to assess what the people want, who is willing to work across the aisle in the spirit of progress, rather than one who takes "principled stands" to please a small but loud corner of his/her constituency.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 12:51 PM
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23. I loved Molly, but when November comes around, I vote Democratic. Always.
I'll pick mediocrity over piracy every time. I won't be happy voting for Mrs Clinton, but she's less than evil.
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