NOW the religious left decides they will be heard. NOW some media is probing

[blm]

into questions of Bush and Cheney's characters that they refused to touch the last twenty years.

NOW some left media is commanding airtime that many of the RW voices have had pretty much to themselves for decades.

NOW some senators are saying Bush 'violated the IWR" and "misused the authority he was given" when others had been saying so since Bush made his decision public in March 2003.

NOW many are saying the best way to fight terrorism is as a law enforcement issue with military backup when needed.

NOW more Democrats are becoming aware of the Bush machine's vote suppression, vote-stealing and vote-padding tactics that went uncountered in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

NOW many of us are STILL saying Bush AND Cheney are impeachable.

NOW - Who is listening?

See LCoyote's thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3300186&mesg_id=3300186

[whistle]

1. Now may be the left's time! Persevere with the truth and people will eventually listen

[blm]

3. The maddening part is that it didn't HAVE to take so long. And those who

LED the biggest fights against BushInc all these years in very PUBLIC ways are now being pushed aside while those who supported Bush on his military ventures, stayed silent or 'kept their powder dry" have their entrenched media thugs doing the pushing.

[northernsoul]

2. What is the religious left doing now?

I don't meant to be snarky, but I keep hearing these assertions that the religious left is sudden flexing whatever muscles it may have, but I rarely hear what precisely they are doing and what impact it is having. What is actually different now?

[blm]

4. Speaking OUT for starters. They let the RW religious figures hog the stage for decades

.

[northernsoul]

7. Specific examples?

I agree that they've passively enabled their co-religionists for decades, but what are they doing differently now?

[juno jones]

8. That is something I wonder at

The moderate/ left (dare I say 'true') christians have allowed this bunch to ride roughshod over us for the last thirty years when they could have spoken out from the beginning, fresh from their victories in the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 60's and seventies. Instead, they allowed the fundies to co-opt their religion, so now most people, even ones trying to be sincere about their 'faith', equate christianity with hatred, homophobia and lies and practice accordingly. I've seen the damage they have done to many people, especially the 'faithful', with their BS. Where has what we assured is 'mainstream' christianity been on this? Silent until recently, as far as I can tell. Is it some form of 'trade-secret-repect' they give each other? I have seen the dichotomy between christianity and the teachings of jesus (or Yeshua Ben-Joseph, to use his REAL name) since the beginning, but I am a pagan and don't feel I'm responsible for pointing them out, as if anyone would listen to me in the first place. It is the job of the christians to fix their religion and so far they've not done much to do so, yes, even ENABLED the bastardization, by not publicly and immediately repudiating the lies promugated by those con-men who have made gross misinterpretation of scriptures to gullible, semi-illiterate people their stock-in-trade.

I do not blame christians on this board, most of you have no pulpits from whence you could correct the situation either. Look to your leaders, who saw money coming in from increased attendance, never mind what brought those people in in the first place, love of 'jesus' or fear of 'hell'.

[blm]

9. Stepping into the political arena - here's the DU thread on it.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1039956


Imagine how different things would look if every faction of the left stepped up when it was needed the last 20 years the way the right has always done for its candidates and lawmakers.

[rodeodance]

5. I think they are impeachable-but need the political will of the House

[rodeodance]

6. I think they are impeachable-but need the political will of the House

[DemBones DemBones]

10. The religious left has been speaking, but the media has ignored them.

Now they have discovered the religious left. Success!

Maybe if we keep contacting the media, they'll pay more attention to the left.

I've started complaining more about biased reporting to the networks. If I can, I tell them something I like that they have done, too, but I put more emphasis on the bias. As in "If you can report on X so well, why can't you report as well on Y?"

[ThomCat]

11. Now, the corporate media is allowing the left to be heard

only because they have noticed that the nation is swinging left. The nation is swinging left despite the rightward bias and the scewed coverage they've been feeding everyone. So now they know that they risk driving away their audience if they don't move at least a little towards the left too. They need that audience, and all the money it brings.

They'll only swing a little bit towards the left, when they must, and it will be more for show than substance.

[illinoisprogressive]

12. the left are the same as the ones who were behind the Civil Rights

I am not religious and the religious right scares me.
but, the left side is like the religion of my youth when there was a real separation of church and state.
To regain ground of average people and ministers, the good kind and the fact that average people are religious, we have to talk to them.
In order to get church out of state we have to have our side, the religious left, help defuse the power of the right and bring things back to normal.
Not all religion is the enemy.
think

[OHdem10]

13. Now have you noticed each of the GOP top 3 are

are already running a general election campaign
attacking Democrats as weak on Defense.

Guilliani does it regularly but MCCain and Rommey
are clipping right along. Big Government.

Just in case, that Rove and Bush pull one of their
tricks out of the hat and we suddenly have troops
coming home--the people happy. --I hope we
are able to turn on a dime.

There are too many "trial balloons" or subtle messages
being sent.

I surely hope our candidates get over "playing nice"
and being so ultra polite. This is a campaign to win
the White House.

I will tell you this--Guilliani is out to win this darn
thing and it shows. Please tell C Matthews this is not
likeablity or charm school. Bush had this attitude--"I
am sinning this darn thing" Actions not words. Sure
he said platitudes for the adoring Media like, I do not
care if I win or not--Iam comfortable with myself.
I amd compassionate conservative as he mowed anyone
in his way aside.

Guilliani is on the path. A President needs to have
a personality that conveys he/she is approachable. A
person would not be made feel uncomfortabele appraoching
them.

Our candidates had best get cracking. Do not whine because
there are too many--A natural leader just steps up takes
off on their own. Throw that Senatorial Collegiality to
the wind. A Leader does not concern themselves with what
others are saying . Take Charge or Guilliani will.