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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:41 PM
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Rudy #(%)&%&^$ sucks
Giuliani just sucks.

As a New Yorker, I’ve gone back and forth about him through the years. Absolutely hated him when he ran against Dinkins the first time, still didn’t support him when he ran the second time and was upset that he won but I think I’d softened on him a bit by then. Somewhere along the way I even began to think he wasn’t so bad, in fact I quite liked him, I believe….

But then I started to dislike him more and more again. There was his freak out when one of our ad agency clients placed ads on buses in NYC for New York Magazine reading “possibly the only good thing in New York Rudy hasn't taken credit for”. He actually had them taken off the buses, if you can believe that, until it was ruled that he couldn’t legally do that. There was the very public flaunting of his relationship with his “very good friend” while he was still married and had school age children, kids that I’m sure had to take the brunt of no end of jokes about this “very good friend”. What the hell kind of father does that to his kids?!?! Then he got rid of the fruit guy on the corner outside of our office. That fruit guy had the best strawberries in June and Giuliani got rid of him because it was a high traffic corner…I guess this was his part of cleaning up the city. Ugh! And then the important stuff like all of his Gestapo tactics and the horrid incidents involving his police force.

Then 9/11 came and I must admit he did have a calming influence. As I was walking the long way home that day, I’d check in on my walkman periodically to make sure nothing else terrible was happening and something about the way he handled the whole thing was reassuring, especially compared to the way Bush was handling things. Still, part of that was just probably the wackiness of the emotions that day created. As I got farther away from the experience, I realized it wasn’t really that extraordinary, what Rudy had done and he’d screwed so much up in the run up to that day and in the days since…..And then his trying to extend his “reign” as mayor due to the attack and threatening to ignore the term limits law and run for another term!!!

And that godawful declaration about how he grabbed someone’s arm on that morning and said “Thank God George Bush is President!” Ugh! He’s just awful. Sucks is too good a word for him. No way I want that power hungry lunatic anywhere near the White House. The man is dangerous if you ask me.

I just can’t stand all of this talk about him as the hero of that day and “America’s mayor” and all that crap, his declaring that he knows more about terrorism, etc. than anyone running. If that guy ends up as our President because the Democrats end up nominating someone too ‘weak’ to combat his ridiculous ‘I’ll keep you safe’ image, I really do think I’ll have to emigrate to some country with a collective brain.

Just had to get that off my chest....
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:46 PM
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1. Well, then, you'll like this from Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14952564/giuliani_worse_than_bush/1

Rudy Giuliani is a true American hero, and we know this because he does all the things we expect of heroes these days -- like make $16 million a year, and lobby for Hugo Chávez and Rupert Murdoch, and promote wars without ever having served in the military, and hire a lawyer to call his second wife a "stuck pig," and organize absurd, grandstanding pogroms against minor foreign artists, and generally drift through life being a shameless opportunist with an outsize ego who doesn't even bother to conceal the fact that he's had a hard-on for the presidency since he was in diapers. In the media age, we can't have a hero humble enough to actually be one; what is needed is a tireless scoundrel, a cad willing to pose all day long for photos, who'll accept $100,000 to talk about heroism for an hour, who has the balls to take a $2.7 million advance to write a book about himself called Leadership. That's Rudy Giuliani. Our hero. And a perfect choice to uphold the legacy of George W. Bush.

Yes, Rudy is smarter than Bush. But his political strength -- and he knows it -- comes from America's unrelenting passion for never bothering to take that extra step to figure shit out. If you think you know it all already, Rudy agrees with you. And if anyone tries to tell you differently, they're probably traitors, and Rudy, well, he'll keep an eye on 'em for you. Just like Bush, Rudy appeals to the couch-bound bully in all of us, and part of the allure of his campaign is the promise to put the Pentagon and the power of the White House at that bully's disposal.

Rudy's attack against Ron Paul in the debate was a classic example of that kind of politics, a Rovian masterstroke. The wizened Paul, a grandfather seventeen times over who is running for the Republican nomination at least 100 years too late, was making a simple isolationist argument, suggesting that our lengthy involvement in Middle Eastern affairs -- in particular our bombing of Iraq in the 1990s -- was part of the terrorists' rationale in attacking us.

Though a controversial statement for a Republican politician to make, it was hardly refutable from a factual standpoint -- after all, Osama bin Laden himself cited America's treatment of Iraq in his 1996 declaration of war. Giuliani surely knew this, but he jumped all over Paul anyway, demanding that Paul take his comment back. "I don't think I've ever heard that before," he hissed, "and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th."


And, BTW, I always thought Giuliani was a scumbag.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:18 PM
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2. Rudy is the same guy he was on September 10, 2001
A constitution-hating, ego maniac who spent more time battling elephant poop art and ferret owners than he did getting us ready to deal with the aftermath of that second attack on the WTC (the first one being in 1993).

A Giuliani presidency would be like the B*sh on steroids because while B*sh is a 24/7 fascist (that is 24 hours a week, 7 months a year), Rudy would be calling hysterical press conferences every day (365 - like he did here for 8 years), making huge deals out of what kind of art people look at or what kinds of animals they own as pets. Calling his opponents, and even random people, mentally ill ("sick-minded").

And here is a great read btw. This is the study Giuliani did before his 1993 run for mayor -- it lists all his liabilities and strategizes about how to spin them away:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani1.html
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 03:42 PM
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3. Saw him on CSPAN recently giving a commencement speech
Thought he was out of his cotton-picking mind. None of his assertions about fighting terror are borne out by the facts. We are building a stable society with accountable government in Iraq? When the same day the headlines show bombs being set by Iraqi army members? When people dressed as Iraqi police can waltz off with hostages?

He also claims that ANY decrease in military spending since WWII was our worst foreign-policy mistake. ???? That's craziness. What does he want, to militarize society as much as ancient Sparta?




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