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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:42 PM
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If the CORPORATE MEDIA HATES EDWARDS, seems weird how much POSITIVE COVERAGE he's getting!
Right now on CNN (as well as other stations) as I sit here watching Wolf's interview with Ms. Edwards, which we also had another version of yesterday right prior to the debates.

They are discussing Cancer, Her letters to her children, and John Edwards' campaign....and responding to Shrum allegations (calling Shrum as having different "recollections")

Also big spread coming out in Corporate Owned PEOPLE Magazine on the Edwards detailing their heart breaking tragedies. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20016130,00.html

People Magazine is owned by Time-Warner who also owns CNN.
http://cjrarchives.org/tools/owners/timewarner.asp

This thread is in response to those who believe that the Corporate media is "out to get" John Edwards. I don't believe that is true, thus far.

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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:46 PM
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1. Well I took it wrong then
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 04:46 PM by durtee librul
last night when the first person Leslie asked to define Rich was Edwards. Silly me....I had no clue he was so well liked.

Maybe they are just giving up and realizing he ain't going away no matter how hard they try and smear him over silly things,.....altho the $400 haircut was nuts.

Note on edit - wonder how much * pays for a haircut?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:53 PM
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4. Hey, I Have An Idea!! I Mean Since It's Soooooo Gall-Darned Important...
why don't "WE" find out what THE OTHER candidates pay for THEIR hair cuts & do's?? I mean this is SUCH an IMPORTANT issue and I think we need to include the Repukes in this too!

Seems to me like Repukes have LOTS of money and I'd bet they ain't saving it all either!!

And while we're at it, maybe we could find out how much they pay for their clothes and shoes too!! I used to hit Goodwill a lot, but I have actually found some better bargains on NEW clothes, so spending lots of money is something I rarely do.

Does anyone remember that hair cut Bill Clinton got way back when?? And yes, I know Edwards talks about poverty, but he worked hard and made it out of the trenches! What are we so JEALOUS??
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:57 PM
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5. That was a needless,
self-inflicted wound that could have been avoided if his staff had not charged it to the campaign committee. Someone here called it bait for the sharks, and that's exactly what it was.

No one's jealous of Edwards, why would you think so?


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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:10 PM
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13. Sure WAS Needless... Didn't Edwards Reimburse Them??
Needless is a VERY GOOD WORD for all of this stuff!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:19 PM
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15. I agree with you,
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 05:42 PM by seasonedblue
but unfortunately, once the feeding frenzy on that juicy morsel started, it was a lost cause. If it's got a D after it's name...attack. The R's will always be excused by the MSM, always.

We just have to be careful not to openly offer them anything to feast on in the first place. It's completely unfair, but that's the way they play the game.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:19 PM
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16. It ain't about the fucking haircut........although you'd like it to be......
The haircut ain't nothing compared to Clinton's Flower problem.....and he was able to overcome that pretty quickly....and that was a hit to attempt to sink his campaign.

The hair thing doesn't even matter in the larger scheme of things. It is something that really happened. At least Edwards is not getting hit for wearing a sweater in January YET! Nor is he being linked to Michael Moore and some deserter statement.

MY point?

Edwards has not yet been hit by the media for the substantial stuff. That is being "saved" from what I can tell.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:48 PM
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2. Aww. A good man is getting honest coverage.
You're right. Unbelievable.

But pretty much ANY business is "corporate-owned," dear. They MAKE you sign incorporation papers to do almost anything.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:58 PM
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6. Well I believe that most of the Corporate media is owned by 5 Companies.....
So yeah.....most of the media is Corporate. :shrug:

Dear, I understand what a Corporation is, just like I understand what a giant Media Conglomorate monopoly is. I also understand the difference between small businesses that incorporate and business that look like this:

WHO OWNS WHAT
Time-Warner


Time Warner - Books
Time Warner Book Group
Warner Books

The Mysterious Press

Warner Vision

Warner Business Books

Aspect

Warner Faith

Warner Treasures

TW Kids

Little, Brown and Company

Little, Brown Adult Trade

Little, Brown Books for Young Readers

Back Bay

Bulfinch Press

Time Warner Book Group UK

Time Warner Audio Books

Time Inc.

Southern Progress Corporation

Sunset Books

Oxmoor House

Leisure Arts

Time Warner - Cable
HBO

CNN

CNN International

CNN en Espanol

CNN Headline News

CNN Airport Network

CNN fn

CNN Radio

CNN Interactive

Court TV (with Liberty Media)

Time Warner Cable

Road Runner

New York 1 News (24 hour news channel devoted only to NYC)

Kablevision (53.75% - cable television in Hungary)
In Demand

Metro Sports (Kansas City)

Time Warner Inc. - Film & TV Production/Distribution
Warner Bros.

Warner Bros. Studios

Warner Bros. Television (production)

The WB Television Network

Warner Bros. Television Animation

Hanna - Barbera Cartoons

Telepictures Production

Witt - Thomas Productions

Castle Rock Entertainment

Warner Home Video

Warner Bros. Domestic Pay - TV

Warner Bros. Domestic Television Distribution

Warner Bros. International Television Distribution

The Warner Channel (Latin America, Asia - Pacific, Australia, Germ.)

Warner Bros. International Theaters (owns/operates multiplex theaters in over 12 countries)

Time Warner Inc. - Magazines
Time

Time Asia

Time Atlantic

Time Canada

Time Latin America

Time South Pacific

Time Money

Time For Kids

Fortune

All You

Business 2.0

Life

Sports Illustrated

Sports Illustrated International

SI for Kids

Inside Stuff

Money

Your Company

Your Future

People

Who Weekly (Australian edition)

People en Español

Teen People

Entertainment Weekly

EW Metro

The Ticket

In Style

Southern Living

Progressive Farmer

Southern Accents

Cooking Light

The Parent Group

Parenting

Baby Talk

Baby on the Way

This Old House

Sunset

Sunset Garden Guide

The Health Publishing Group

Health

Hippocrates

Coastal Living

Weight Watchers

Real Simple

Asiaweek (Asian news weekly)

President (Japanese business monthly)

Dancyu (Japanese cooking)

Wallpaper (U.K.)

Field & Stream

Freeze

Golf Magazine

Outdoor Life

Popular Science

Salt Water Sportsman

Ski

Skiing Magazine

Skiing Trade News

SNAP

Snowboard Life

Ride BMX

Today's Homeowner

TransWorld Skateboarding

TransWorld Snowboarding

Verge

Yachting Magazine

Warp

American Express Publishing Corporation (partial ownership/management)

Travel & Leisure

Food & Wine

Your Company

Departures

SkyGuide

Magazines listed under Warner Brothers label

DC Comics

Vertigo

Paradox

Milestone

Mad Magazine

Online Services
CompuServe Interactive Services

AOL Instant Messenger

AOL.com portal

Digital City

AOL Europe

ICQ

The Knot, Inc. - wedding content (8 % with QVC 36% and Hummer
WinbladFunds18%)

MapQuest.com - pending regulatory approval

Spinner.com

Winamp

DrKoop.com (10%)

Legend (49% - Internet service in China)

Time Warner - Online/Other Publishing
Road Runner

Warner Publisher Services

Time Distribution Services

American Family Publishers (50%)

Pathfinder

Africana.com

Time Warner - Merchandise/Retail
Warner Bros. Consumer Products
Theme Parks
Warner Brothers Recreation Enterprises (owns/operates international theme parks)
Time Warner Inc. - Turner Entertainment
Entertainment Networks
TBS Superstation

Turner Network Television (TNT)

Turner South

Cartoon Network

Turner Classic Movies

Cartoon Network in Europe

Cartoon Network in Latin America

TNT & Cartoon Network in Asia/Pacific
Film Production
New Line Cinema

Fine Line Features

Turner Original Productions
Sports
Atlanta Braves

Other Operations
Turner Learning

CNN Newsroom (daily news program for classrooms)

Turner Adventure Learning (electronic field trips for schools)

Turner Home Satellite

Turner Network Sales

Other
Netscape Communications

Netscape Netcenter portal

AOL MovieFone

iAmaze

Amazon.com (partial)

Quack.com

Streetmail (partial)

Switchboard (6%)


:eyes:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:49 PM
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3. I've never felt the MSM was ever "out to get" a particular candidate.
The big problem with them is that they are kind of like a litter of kittens when you toss a ball of yarn. They get all excited and, en masse, chase whatever story (or person) seems hot on a particular day; and since they have the same approximate attention span as kittens, as soon as you toss them another toy they run after that one. And what's worse, they suffer from really bad groupthink, so if CNN thinks something or somebody is important or interesting, MSNBC and CBS and all the rest of them will jump on the same bandwagon because they don't want to be left in the dust.

So maybe today they aren't ignoring Edwards; tomorrow they will be all over Hillary again; and then Obama's supporters will be miffed, at least until they do a story on him, and then Hillary's people will claim the MSM hates her, too.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:00 PM
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8. I was responding to this thread.....
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:07 PM
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12. I saw that -- but I don't agree.
Yesterday they were ignoring him; tomorrow they'll be ignoring somebody else. It's all about what the short-attention-span pundits think is big on a particular day. Although I think it's demonstrably true that the MSM tends to marginalize most Dem candidates other than whoever they deem the front-runners to be.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 04:58 PM
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7. Don't you get it its because they know he can win a general election....
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 04:59 PM by bigdarryl
so there doing everything in there power to stop him. thats why there pumping up Obama and Hillary two minorities that CAN'T win. so the bottom line is the corporate media love this Bush money and if Edwards gets in the White house the party is over for them.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:02 PM
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9. I don't see Edwards as promising as you do.....
Although I believe that Edwards has a good chance in the Dem primaries of actually winning, I believe that in the GE, he will be DOA.

As an example.....although many are proud of Edwards denouncing "The War on Terror" as a bumper sticker slogan and "sticking" to this point, I believe that with some unforeseen thwarted "Plot", a little media engineering, and some GOP talking points, Edwards will only end up as being characterized as a weak link in more ways than one--and this could be a fatal blow.

I currently see the media actually favoring Edwards in very subtle ways that will become more pronounced as the campaign wears on. So in the end, I believe that Edwards will be the eventual Dem pick of the media.....as this will ensure a "tight" race in the General Election, in where, at the end of the day, John Edwards "left" positions that he has staked out to woo the Netroots will not wear well with the mass voters.....especially when the media is done twisting it all.

Add to that, Edwards' proposal to raise taxes, and the fact that many poor people simply just don't vote, Edwards as the nominee becomes a recipe for disaster. In addition, Edwards will be shackled by his "to and Fro" position on quite a few issues, and he will not be able to argue Iraq as well as some may think due to his co-sponsorship and pushing of the Blank check while sitting on the Intel Committee back in 2002....information that probably will be "saved" by the opposition until the General Election.

I am apprehensive about this....because Edwards has put himself via televised words in a position that will make it easy for the opposition to stir up enough fear in enough voters. This works, and if you don't think so, see "October surprise/Osama Bin Laden Tape/Kerry election 2004" and "Kerry Joke/circa 2006", and also see "Guliani/Paul/distortion on debate 9/11 answer-circa 07".

Many Dems are being lulled into a false sense of "we will win almost no matter what" and many are opting for an Edwards choice due to the fact that he is an attractive White Southern Male with a couple of tragedy in his life and some detailed policies proposed with the poor in mind. However, at the end of the day, I think many will be shocked that what their betting on as a "got to be a sure thing compared to the rest of the Dem field" are going to be in for a rude awakening.

We already well know Obama's biggest flaws; the fact that he is an African American and some say relatively inexperienced.

We already know Clinton's Biggest flaw; the fact that she is woman and that she is somewhat divisive in terms of GOP hate levels......

However, I believe that Edwards has more subtle negatives than the other two (and which won't be able to be diffused as racism or sexism) and will be used against him, as needed.....via selective "time released" material.

So although Edwards may appear to be a "conventional" ideal pick from afar, when examined closely, and considering his "weakness on National Security" (saying sorry at every event will not look good "Looped together"), Edwards will not seem so "attractive" in the general election.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:04 PM
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10. Oh, so only the white southern guy
can win in America? Is that Edwards' advantage, skin color and a y chromosome?
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:06 PM
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11. The Shrum Story Doesn't Help Edwards
It sets him up for a Kerry-style MM campaign branding him an opportunist.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:11 PM
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14. But it helps with activists.....cause whatever Shrum say,
many activist, who hate Shrum's guts, and many blame him for the 2004 Kerry loss.......will choose to believe Edwards, and that distances him that much more from the DLC.

Personally, I believe that a strong "force" in progressive politics standing up for you doesn't give one an advantage. Think Michael Moore/Madonna with Clark, or Gore with Dean.

However if your supporters can believe that Shrum/DLC AND O'Reilly/FOX hate your guts, you might just look that much more progressive.

Funny how that works!
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:21 PM
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17. delete n/t
Edited on Mon Jun-04-07 05:23 PM by politicasista
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jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 05:28 PM
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18. I don't think JE supporters
have seen anything, yet. If/when CNN goes 19 days without mentioning Edwards name, THEN they'll have a valid claim that corporate press is ignoring him.
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