State Polls: Hillary leading confortably in PA and FL...

[SaveElmer]

Pennsylavnia

Hillary 40
Edwards 21
Obama 18

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_511423.html


Florida

Hillary 34
Obama 16
Gore 13
Edwards 11

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1074&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0

[Dawgs]

1. How come Hillary supporters only post polls?

How come we never here about what she's doing a day a day basis?

[SaveElmer]

2. We do...alot...

Guess you aren't paying attention...

[durrrty libby]

3. Well she must be doing something right. She is always way ahead

[Dawgs]

17. So, you support her, but have no idea what she's doing.

Wow!!

[William769]

4. I do, but when I do, people say she's not doing good in polls.

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

[Tellurian]

6. Exactly..the excuses are endless..

Oh, that poll isn't any good, the moe is high, if it isn't below +-3 then it's garbage.
Oh, how big was the sample? 450? No good, it doesn't count. You need at least 1000 for a decent poll.
What? Thats a push poll, thats crap.
But, but, but, what about a national poll? Statewide is meaningless. It's the national thats important.
Her negatives are too high. She'll never win the general. I'll hold my nose if I have too.
ABC-

The bottom line is- Hillary is exceeding all expectations. Meanwhile, while Hillary continues to poll in the mid-30%'s and has reached 40% to date.
Obama and Edwards continue in the teens and trending in steep decline.

The only conclusion is as poster #1 make note of Clinton polling; if it isn't about Obama or Edwards, we don't need to see it!

[William769]

10. Boy you are good at summing things up!

:yourock:

[Alamom]

31. I'll second that.

:yourock:

[Tellurian]

32. I know...

thanks..Listening to the posters here, you'd think Hillary was the one inexperienced.. :hi:

yeah, like a Lioness sent out to take care of the family.

[Dawgs]

18. Can you give me an example?

[MGKrebs]

5. HC was here in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago.

I was able to scrounge a ticket.

She was warm and inspiring and humorous and confident. She's kinda short though.
She had at least 8 SS agents with her and they are all big and in good shape.
She said "if this President doesn't end the war in Iraq, I will."
Drinks were only $6.
It was at an art gallery.
Looked like about 150-200 there.
I think she was having another (expensive) fundraiser later.

:D

[durrrty libby]

11. Thanks for the news

I am convinced, the more people get to know her,

the more they will like her

[ElizabethDC]

19. Things other than polls? Ok - yesterday, she had 8,000 at a DC Women for Hillary event

Sen. Clinton rallies women in Washington

By BRIAN TUMULTY
WASHINGTON BUREAU


(Original publication: June 6, 2007)
WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton fit in an outdoor campaign rally with supporters in a key demographic between Senate floor votes this evening.

The event, held on a downtown parking lot during rush hour, drew a mostly female crowd.

"They clicked in 8,000 people," Clinton announced. "We are going to make history together for our country."

Clinton, who leads the Democratic presidential field in early polls, celebrated the opening of "Club 44," a code phrase for people who support her goal of becoming the 44th president.

Link: http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070606/NEWS02/706060456

For the record, I often post things other than polls, as do other Hillary supporters. It's just that the polls seem to get more attention.

[Tellurian]

33. A few pics from yesterday's event...

http://www.hillaryis44.org/wp-content/themes/spirit/images/Hillary!.gif





Just a few pix out of the 8,000 that showed up for the debut of Club 44!

http://www.hillaryis44.org/wp-content/themes/spirit/images/Bands!.gif

[draft_mario_cuomo]

20. Her campaign is about her biography, not a platform or vision for the country

We rarely hear about what she intends to do as president either. Aside from a few threads on her Tommy Thompson-like health plan, how rare is it to see a thread talking about a policy proposal HRC is making?

[ElizabethDC]

22. That must be why she doesn't have an issues section on her website

oh wait . . . http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Hillary has given a number of policy-related speeches lately, but no one here seems to be much interested in those, even when they are posted.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

23. When have they been posted? She barely talks about policy in debates

Let's look at her page, though.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/

She doesn't offer a plan for universal coverage, merely recites a few platitudes and her past record on health care. In essence, she is launching another faith-based initiative: vote for me and I promise I will deliver universal health care with my "secret plan." If Obama isn't offering universal health care it is hard to see the triangulator doing so.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

==She believes we may need a vastly reduced residual force to train Iraqi troops, provide logistical support, and conduct counter-terrorism operations.==

Why don't HRC supporters ever talk about her Iraq platform? All we hear is about her rhetoric on Iraq, not her actual policy proposals.

She is as vague and generic as possible on her issues page. This is consistent with her campaign rhetoric. Again, this is not unusual for a front-runner. See: Giuliani, Rudolph.

[ElizabethDC]

25. I have a feeling that nothing she or her supporters do will ever be enough for you

The issues page is ever-expanding. As for her thoughts and ideas on Iraq, I find this to be a helpful link: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=3529.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

26. That link didn't work?

HRC wants to keep troops in Iraq indefinitely. She also does not tell us how long she intends to keep them in Iraq. She was being deceptive during the debate when she claimed she wants to end the war. Why can't she be honest and state her actual position on Iraq?

[ElizabethDC]

27. Better link

Hillary's position is that she wants to start the troop withdrawal ASAP and end major combat operations. However, there would be a very small number of residual forces left for a limited period of time. We can't give specifics yet because we don't know what the situation will be like in 2009 when the next president takes.

Bottom line: Hillary intends to end the war in Iraq and is not being dishonest about it, she's just maybe not planning to do it in a way that you would like.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=3529

[draft_mario_cuomo]

28. The "residual" forces will be fighting the (de-escalated) war.

She does not intend to immediately end the war, which is the false impression she is giving to voters. Why doesn't she tell voters that she wants to keep an unknown number of troops in Iraq for an unknown amount of time during debates?

[Tellurian]

34. Except, that Obama agreed and said the same thing! nm

[madfloridian]

7. Inevitable.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1335

[oasis]

9. Unsinkable.

:applause:

[Citizen Kang]

24. heh,,,,

thats what they said about the Titanic

[Colobo]

8. Relax; there is still a lot of work to do.

[zulchzulu]

12. I love overconfident adversaries...

The polls won't matter until the Iowa and New Hampshire voters have their say.

[SaveElmer]

13. And I love adversaries who underestimate her popularity...nt

[zulchzulu]

14. Curious...do you do grassroots work for Senator Clinton?

Have you sold her candidacy out in the street? I'm curious...

[SaveElmer]

15. Some...

I live in Virginia and we are deep into House of Delegates and Senate races here...trying to get back the majority...finally...for once it looks like a possibility, though things have to go really well...

Once that is over, I plan on working for Hillary more intensely than I have had time for up to now!

However, I do have conversations with alot of people, and find a good amount of enthusiasm for Hillary here...she is going to compete here...she moved her headquarters to Virginia, has been lining up endorsements etc...

The Governor has endorsed Obama, which is understandable, and Edwards has a list of endorsers, as does Hillary...

[Bullet1987]

16. Truthfully, these states are mostly named recognition

That'll come down to who wins the early caucus's in NH and Iowa.

[MGKrebs]

30. Many would likely tell you that "Hillary Clinton" name recognition

is a negative.

[ProudDad]

21. Come On People!!!

It's nearly a YEAR AND A HALF before the election!!!

Get a life!

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Sometimes I see posts like the OP and some of the usual pro-Hillary suspects and I have to wonder, "How much money do y'all have riding on this?" I can't understand any other fanatic interest in the horse race than that...

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The bottom line is that a pro-corporate Dem will win the Presidency in November of 2008 and be sworn into office to continue corporate dominance of the public Commons for another four years beginning in January of '09. That's the way the deck is stacked. That's the way our cookie is crumbled for us.

Which pro-corporate Dem is like wondering which chair on the deck of the Titanic is the most "attractive" and most likely to "beat the republicans"...

[MGKrebs]

29. It's only 7 months until the election that matters now,

and I don't see anything wrong with getting excited about presidential politics. It is exciting, it's important, there is drama, there is strategy, there is often a high level of intellectual discourse, and there is an element of entertainment to it also.

I'm not going to disagree with your analysis of who will win, but there are differences between the candidates even if those differences don't extend very far into the socialist or populist realms. But just because many here pay close attention to the corporate-backed candidate contest doesn't mean we aren't also working for progressive change at the same time. There are issues, and there are elections. Not exactly the same thing, can both be done at the same time, require somewhat different activities and perspectives. My life is fine thanks.

[ProudDad]

35. What bothers me about the OP and a few others

is the "horse race" mentality displayed by some on DU (and all of the MSM). Some quibble back and forth about a couple of percentage points -- my guy/gal is ahead of your gal/guy (nearly 2 years out) - nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah. It's so infantile and it's also delusional. They really think that Hillary would be better than Obama would be better than Edwards would be better than ?????? when they're all pretty well agreed on allowing our current masters to continue owning and running the whole show.

In general, I'm not very excited. I've just seen too many pro-corporate folks take/steal high office.

The last real chance for something different was Bobby and something died in me when he was killed. He was SERIOUS about ending poverty, giving everyone a break no matter which family they happen to be born into and he had a true desire to spread around the riches so that everyone could be lifted up. Since then, there's been no one in danger of holding the highest office who would dare hold those values so sincerely.

I'm more excited about the new models being developed in the southern hemisphere, notably in South America. That's where the hope for the future is, not in this dying Empire in the north and the decaying capitalist empire in Europe.

I agree with you that we mustn't give up on trying for Progressive change, that IS where the fun is in the day to day.