Obama does not OPPOSE the GUEST WORKER program in the Immigration Bill? What the h*ll?

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

See for yourself.

He abstained from voting. Playing politics with American laborers?

Enough already. Wish we had Dorgan or Webb or Sanders running for President.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00174

[LBJDemocrat]

1. K&R

We need to hold our politicians accountable.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

2. Actions speak louder than platitudes

[Dawgs]

3. Do you know why he didn't vote?

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

4. No.

I am guessing he has a doctor's note or that he was campaigning on a convenient date while even BIDEN AND CLINTON voted.

[Dawgs]

26. Maybe you should get your facts straight before GUESSING.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CtLG

[draft_mario_cuomo]

5. Hmm...only four senators did not vote

Is he campaigning today or is he in Washington? Otherwise I hope he has a legitimate reason for not taking a stand.

Note: Johnson did not vote but he can't for obvious reasons.

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---31
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Vitter (R-LA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
NAYs ---64
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 5

Dodd (D-CT)
Johnson (D-SD)
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)
Schumer (D-NY)

[earthside]

9. Thomas (R-WY)?

Ah, he's dead.

Something wrong with this list.

[karynnj]

35. This is not for that amendment

Here is a link to the Dorgan Amendment:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00201

[rinsd]

6. A lookie a newbie slinging mud against Obama while praising Ron Paul

I smell the PHDC.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

7. I have never "praised" Ron Paul

Please don't make such comments if you can't back them up.

How about you discuss the issue at hand?

[rinsd]

12. "Please don't make such comments if you can't back them up"

Naaah you just rushed to his defense in multiple threads.

Advocating for Paul would be a TS offense.

So is coming back after banning.

"How about you discuss the issue at hand?"

The issue at hand is Obama missed a vote and we do not know why. You characterize it as some kind of betrayal of US workers for political purposes when his vote would not have had an impact either way.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

14. Did I "praise" Ron Paul?

Or did I simply rush to his defense?

There's a difference.

[rinsd]

16. Yeah one gets you banned from here.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

18. Since I did neither, I think I'm safe

But if I'm wrong, you can feel free to quote me and prove yourself.

In the meantime, stop making personal attacks against me. I pointed out Obama's record. As draft mario cuomo implies, there's no crime in that.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

8. Pointing out a candidate's record is slinging mud?

;)

[rinsd]

10. It ain't the record. Its the characterization

On edit: I know you have no problems with me pointing out Edwrda record but rather how I choose to characterize it ;-)

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

11. Right

:eyes:

[rinsd]

13. We do not know why he missed the vote.

We do know his vote would not have had an impact on this legislation.

But you apparently have the power to read his mind by declaring he is playing politics with American workers.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

15. As a citizen I have the right to ask questions

and I have the right to hold the politicians accountable.

Considering that I am VEHEMENTLY against the guest worker program, I hope you will forgive me.

[rinsd]

19. What does your characterization have anything to do with holding someone accoutable?

How would Obama's vote have changed the passage of this legislation?

"Considering that I am VEHEMENTLY against the guest worker program, I hope you will forgive me."

So vehement that your first instinct is to excrociate Obama whose vote either way had zero bearing on the non-passage of this rather than the 64 Senators that voted Nay?

Yeah color me unconvinced.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

20. Stop trolling my thread

If you don't like my opinion, explain why, and leave it at that. I'm not here to get on my knees for you and who I assume to be your candidate.

[rinsd]

22. I'm sorry I will call someone out when they are manufacturing outrage.

Especially when they do so to smear a Democratic candidate while rushing to the defense of a Republican nutjob.

[Capn Sunshine]

32. Stop threading my troll

I'm tired of all the concerned newbies with their naive yet slick characterizations.

I wonder whose budget is covering this?

[beachmom]

17. Webb? He voted against Reid/Feingold.

I am sick and tired of the cluelessness and hysteria based on ONE VOTE. Obama voted for the Reid/Feingold res. and against the Iraq compromise. Webb voted the opposite. He also voted against the Water bill amendment which would have directed the Army Corps of Engineers to figure in for global climate change when planning new projects.

Nobody is going to be perfect. And certainly, if you want purity, you're going to have to think of somebody purer than Webb.

[rinsd]

21. Its manufactured outrage.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

23. You must be really desperate to sink this thread

Since you've left more posts on this than any other poster, all of which attack the messenger.

[rinsd]

24. If I was desperate to sink it, I would not post on it.

And it would not stay near the top of the page.

I much rather point out how ridiculous it is.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

25. You sink it by trying to destroy my credibility

It's obviously working since you're the only one who's posted much.

Good job.

[Colobo]

27. Fake outrage to put Obama down... I wonder who is this person trying to support

[mckeown1128]

28. Wow a meaningless thread...

twisting details to attack a democratic senator who could become the leader of the party next year.....hmmmm smells stinky to me.

[mckeown1128]

29. This is a lie...

I just saw Obama on tv speaking out against the guest worker program on the floor of the senate.... leading the charge against it.... get your facts straight.....:banghead: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[seasat]

30. Be careful about slinging mud over a missed vote, It can backfire.

Hillary and Obama have both done an excellent job of keeping up with important votes while campaigning. They may miss a few where there is such a large majority in one direction that their vote won't make a difference. A point this weak can easily be slung against a candidate you support.

[karynnj]

31. Did you watch CSPAN?

Senator Kennedy explained that it would kill the entire bill. He also explained that he cared as much about the American worker as Dorgan - that the program would be used only to fill jobs that no Americans want. He also said that the alternative was the status quo and this program contained protections for the immigrant workers that they currently don't have - so this should cut the current exploitation and end people dying in the dessert.

You prefer Webb - who voted no on Feindgold/Reid which matched the funding to the Democratic objective of getting out by March 2008, who voted against the Kerry/Feingold ammendment that required all water projects to consider the impact of climate change, and who voted against Sanders bill that would rollback the tax cuts for the very wealthy? Sanders is a socialist, not a Democrat - and it is not likely he could win.

Consider the main person fighting for this bill was Senator Kennedy. As he said the guest worker program was not what everyone wanted, but it was the one in the bill and better than the status quo. Kennedy has fought for workers for over 40 years. I think I trust him a lot more than Webb, a Reagan Republican.

That said - OBAMA VOTED FOR IT - this is from Thomas:

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Dorgan Amdt. No. 1316 )
Vote Number: 201 Vote Date: June 6, 2007, 11:59 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1316 to S.Amdt. 1150 to to S. 1348 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 )
Statement of Purpose: To sunset the Y-1 nonimmigrant visa program after a 5-yer period.
Vote Counts: YEAs 49
NAYs 48
Not Voting 2
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Nay
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Not Voting
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Martinez (R-FL), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Nay
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (R-VA), Nay
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

[illinoisprogressive]

34. both my senators voted yea. Durbin and obama

[illinoisprogressive]

33. it is possible he was not there in the chamber. he has missed only 4 votes.