(aside) Feinstein making some great comments on Immigration bill wrap up. (C-SPAN2)

[pinto]

Recognizes Sen. Kennedy's work, all the Senators who worked to make what she noted had to be a bipartisan bill in the reality of the Senate. Said she was sorry to see the work come to naught, but making a great statement challenging the "amnesty" framework.

[DemKR]

1. Another DEFEAT for Cheap Labor and a VICTORY for working families!!!

Love ya Ted but you are wrong on this one.

[Double T]

2. Second your comments.

Ted. Diane, Harry; what the hell are you thinking about?

[jefferson_dem]

4. Right. Making strides toward fixing this country's screwed up migration problem is a real sin....

...including offering an opportunity for citizenship for those who have contributed so much.

Why the nativist sentiment here? Should we begin deporting all those without papers?

[laureloak]

6. Yes. Begin deportation.

Contributed what? We were fine before the invasion of illegal immigrants and we'll be fine again. It's time to start enforcing our immigration laws with a heavy hand. Democrats & Republicans are united AGAINST illegal immigration.

[jefferson_dem]

7. "Invasion"? Ouch. Seems i've touched a radical nativist nerve i didn't know existed here on DU.

I thought only Boooortz, Hannity, Limpballs and that ilk spewed like that. :puke:

[Captain Hilts]

11. If you work in a trade, construction, etc. immigrants - legal and illegal - are holding your salary

down. It's that simple.

This isn't a direct issue for white collar workers.

Amnesty is supported by the National Restaurant Assn, Assn of Manufacturers, etc.

[Double T]

8. Deport immediately. Secure the border by all means necessary including.......

building a fence along the entire length of the border. If 'WE' are referring to the Mexican people, the Mexican people should return to their own country to fight their own corrupt government that represses their wages and their ability to have a better life; 'WE' will do the exact same with our own corrupt government.

[Morgana LaFey]

9. Yah. By this time it should be self-evident that anything Bush is for

they ought to be stridently, fervently, irrevokably AGAINST. Period, no exceptions, no excuses.

[Double T]

10. 'THEY' and 'WE' should be against..........

the sell out of the American worker to criminal corporate america; corporate america is nobody's friend, specially in the 'end'.

[pinto]

5. The point made about the "amnesty" red herring in the debate was that

no one is going to deport 12 million illegal, undocumented foreign nationals living here. No one.

Legalizing their presence here is the reality. And it would also allow us to work that wages are comparable with legal residents. Work to remove a shadow labor force, open to manipulation and exploitation.

I have problems with many aspects of the bill(s) proposed - especially the guest worker program, as written.

But legalization for residents living and working here is a step to include them in some of the safeguards we have to discourage abusive labor practices.

[unlawflcombatnt]

13. Amnesty is not a "red herring"

It's the whole reason the bill is being pushed by the Chamber of Commerce, Corporate America, and the Bush administration.

Allowing 12-20 million illegal immigrants to stay and legally work in the United States is AMNESTY. And granting this amnesty also grants amnesty to the employers who hired them. That's the whole purpose of the bill-- to amnestisize the employers.

"no one is going to deport 12 million illegal, undocumented foreign nationals" is a straw-man argument. NO one is even suggesting that. If employers are prosecuted under the current laws we have, there wouldn't be a need to deport anyone. Most would leave without employment. Few would come without the promise of employment. We'd have but a fraction of the illegal immigrants here if we aggressively prosecuted the employers.

[jmp]

14. no one is going to deport 12 million illegal

No one is going to deport the next 20 million either. So there's no point in wasting paper and ink on a new bill.

[unlawflcombatnt]

12. Exactly

Unfortunately, the cheap labor proponents, like Senators Feinstein and Graham, aren't finished yet. They'll still try to push this through, making it necessary to continue putting the heat on our own state's Senators. (Mine is Feinstein, and I've got a real "nice" letter that's nearly finished. Suffice to say, Feinstein will not be getting my vote again.)

[johnnyrocket]

3. Agree with comments this bill was big business desire for slave...

...labor. A complete fiasco. It's plan reduced no chaos, and it clarified no immigration policy.