Evangelicans Admit That God Is An Evildoer

[applegrove]

Evangelicans Admit That God Is An Evildoer
by Bob Cesca
at Huffington Post
June 08, 2007

"But in the twisted and cowardly world of James Dobson and John MacArthur, gay sex will bring about the destruction of an American city. It's God's wrath, they say.

In other words, what they're implying is that if another American city is attacked, God is the Bin Laden -- and He's declared a jihad against lesbians and the subsequent celebration of lesbians. Similarly, the late Stay-Puft Jerry Falwell believed that God punished America on September 11 for its harboring of gays, feminists and abortionists. Again, God is the real attacker here.

God, it seems, is an evildoer. All He needs is a video camera, dialysis machine and a pudgy, bearded sidekick and he's all set for a holy war.

But God isn't the only evildoer here. These ministers have literally admitted to God being the real terrorist, and they've admitted to praising God, so they're with the terrorists. So why haven't they been detained and shipped away to those secret torture hostels where scary interrogation contractors are mandated to electrocute their pristine scrotal flesh with those zappy sponge prods from Lethal Weapon? Why hasn't Pat Robertson been waterboarded yet?

..... Snip"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/evangelicals-admit-that-g_b_51325.html

[donco6]

1. In their minds, God cannot do wrong . . .

therefore, whatever He does is deserved.

The world could do with a lot less God.

[applegrove]

2. I cringe anytime evangelicals talk of revenge. I don't think that is the real

meaning of Jesus..a vengeful god. And scapegoating certain groups. That is why the logic of this essay got to me. Perhaps if people were asked that question they may think a little more about. I was talking to a person at a bus stop. And she said "oh if you go to church and it teaches you to be good - what does that really mean?". I didn't say anything. But I wanted to say "isn't being good since I am a member of a church (or a member of humanity)...isn't that EVERYTHING". That isn't my experience of other evangelicals. But in this case it was.

Isn't being a good person and doing good works. Isn't that what it is all about being human?

[undergroundpanther]

10. Jesus is another side of the same evil god

1. Mat 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

26. Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

[undergroundpanther]

4. Yeah it could

The god of christians is evil. Christianity promotes evil although every Christian denies this and gets offended if you say this. What part of Jesus coming to slaughter 3/4th of the worlds population with a sword in his mouth is GOOD? Why do most of the Jews die so God can give eternal life to Christians is GOOD?
Check the book of revelations,job where god makes a bet and tortures a guy,and check the vile book of Joshua, Christians.
The bible is a violent book with NO sense of right or wrong and the god depicted in it is an ABUSIVE god, a capricious,cruel mad and a blind megalomaniac.
That's why I hate the god that made this world, this prison this mess. Nature too is an evil god too making life force it to struggle and eat other life to live,breed and die, generation after generation,,suffer of this cruel impersonal traumatic madness imposed by this existence by "nature" so fuck the god that made this mess, nature and evolution fuck all of it...The condition of life is innocence SUFFERING.And I want out of prison Earth.

[Pawel K]

12. So one must conclude that in their minds...

Osama Bin Laden isn't really a terrorist. After all, he was on a mission from God himself.

[undergroundpanther]

16. Umm yeah.. but that's not for laypeople's ears.

Bin Laden is evil to joe blow fundie because he is worshipping the wrong vengeful asshole god.
If he was a Christian yeah he would be sainted by now.

But the "leaders" of mega churches and political religionists see things a bit differently than lay fundies do. The elites are syncrenistic in their application of religion and they say all vengeful gods are the same vengeful god .The vengeful god is always on THIER side, protecting the elites interests and wealth blessings.

Bin Laden's lackeys made Bush able to crush much of our constitution,and control alot of things no president should control..Bin Laden is Bush's best buddy.Also The devil is the best freind the church EVER had.

That different way of seeing things is why Strange alliances are made in the halls of political/religious power, Like Falwell and Rev.Moon hugging each other because they know they both worship a vengeful bully god.And for the Money of course.

Here is poppy bush and Moon's family eating a cake.


How can that happen?
Because the elites believe all vengeful gods are god unlike the masses, if the masses only think thier own vengeful god is god the elites have an army of believers to use like Bin Laden used his lackeys to attack us. But behind the scenes the power brokers that should be fighting are loving it up.
Because the real agenda is total world domination.To become the vengeful gods themselves..




http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance48.html

[undergroundpanther]

3. ABOUT FUCKING TIME

They admitted the creator of this world was an evil piece of SHIT.

[kurth]

5. Didn't God create Evil?

He created Everything, didn't he?

[undergroundpanther]

8. Yep God made evil

.
Lam 3:38
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?


Jos 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.


55. Jer 42:6
Whether good, or whether evil, we will obey the voice of the Lord our God, to whom we send thee; that it may be well with us, when we obey the voice of the Lord our God.

[nealmhughes]

6. Actually, the Gnostics saw such a incongruent view of God that they developed the view that the Old

Testament God, YHWH, El, etc. was in fact, an insane divinity, and the "true" God, his overlord, was Gnosis, or knowledge, with a female sidekick known as Sophia or Wisdom, Jesus Christ was their product.

While most of my scholarship has been centered in Reform Judaism and Protestant churches, my own theology classes were in the Episcopal Church sanctioned academic realm, and I do find the concept of God as being very, very different from the tribal deity of wandering Arameans, to the transcendent spirit of justice. The creator God seems quite removed from His creations until He suddenly becomes disgusted with the folks and has a giant flood, then scattering the people at Babel, etc. and then becomes a most megamaniacal deity with his testing of Abraham, of Job, and of the ordering of tribal taboos upon the Hebrews during the exodus and subsequent conquest of the Caananites and Philistines under Joshua.
All of that changes after the Exile in Babylon. Zoroaster anyone? Then the entire animal sacrifice, eye for an eye stuff goes out the window with Jesus's teachings.
One cannot easily reconcile the two individuals portrayed by Moses per popular acclaim to that in Lamentations or the Gospel of John.

[TrogL]

7. Sure you can

It's called the Trinity.

(incidentally last Sunday was Trinity Sunday)

[undergroundpanther]

9. A tainted trinity

Still is a god that made evil.
Someone explained the trinity concept to me in an egg metaphor so I will use it..
A bad egg is rotten whether the shell is cracked and stained,or the white is rancid or the yolk is rotten.Regardless of which part is tainted It's still a rotten egg.The whole is rotten.

Just a little mold rots the whole loaf of bread.A drop of arsenic in pure water will still hurt you if you drank it.

The creator god Yahweh /Jesus/Holy spirit is an archon,a rotten egg,a rotten god that makes evil and does a little good when it feels like it.Sounds like god is abusive .
The trinity concept does not make an evil god good .

[xchrom]

11. well the op and the huffington post entry is interesting.

the rest of the thread -- :crazy:

[undergroundpanther]

14. Just because you don't get it

Does not make me "crazy"
And that's not my problem.
But given the craziness of the subject matter...

What I was trying to say here is the god of the Christians has an evil side, it's there in the Bible of the Christians. When Dobson,Rev.Phelps and black-water mercenaries all act like assholes ,very much like the puritans and witch burners proceeding them were assholes..

This is because they believe they are doing gods will.And The god of the bible admits in describing himself in bible verses that he is angry vengeful god who abhors evil but created evil. This means the Christian god is not all good.It means he is evil and answers a prayer or pulls a miracle when he feels like it..or if the humans below please him one day by adhering to his impossible contradicting unclear demands that make no ethical sense in the bible enough.

The Christian bible is not clear on how one is saved from the hell god made. That's why the churches are all fractured nobody knows how anyone gets saved by this sicko god but they all pretend to have the answer and believe it is in the bible and therefore true..

So the asshole Christians desperate to please their abusive god and because they believe in the bible and that the bible is gods will and obviously god's will is evil but they must believe god cannot do evil, so they don't have to be good to be godly, they imitate god and become ass capricious two faced and evil as the biblical god IS..

And depending on how that evil side is incorporated by the Christian believer them self. That way of seeing god determines how he acts out his own shit through his understanding of the Christian god and how he deals with his religion.

ALL Christians both fundie and liberal are in a state of selective perception and denial about the bible,and concerning the immoral character and two faced hypocrasy of the god and it's words,and the nature of the belief system itself created by the god they choose to worship and obey.

The bible describes the Christian god as a two faced hypocrite god,One one side a god of love, the other a monster condoning genocide rape slavery. God abuses it;'s creation he dishes out both love and hate.

The Christian god as described in the bible is a bully. If you follow him fully you risk becoming a bully like the Christian god is. Who said in his book I am a jealous god, an angry god ,a vengeful god and there will be no other gods before ME! The Christian god and it's 3 "parts" sounds like a dissociated psychopath ranting,a megalomaniac,abusing it's creation for being what it is while it claims to love it.

And the liberal side of Christianity also refuses to question the bad effects these hateful bible passages have on people who read the bible and believe it is sacred or the word of god and seek to follow him.Some Christians rationalize this disparity of gods character by separating the books like new testament is good and old testament bad but fail to admit the same sickness is in BOTH aspects of god written in both books .Evil is in the old testement god and evil is in jesus.An asshole by any other name is still an asshole.

Not everyone in this world is cares about others well being.Some are ethically retarded and get off on domination and want power. When those people read the bible they omit the sayings of kindness,forgiveness, love and charity(unless their ass is in hot water with the law) and these thugs at heart go right to the bloodbaths and revel in it.. And attract more thuggish personalities to flock to their churches.

The flip side of this mess is how liberal Christians are in denial too,they go right for the warm fuzzy love verses,and skip past the bloodbaths and vengeful face of their god.
And so fail to denounce the dangerous abusive behavior of right wing fire and brimstone preachers and churches..They sit on their hands because deep down they know their god is an abusive god and the bible verse quoters has them by the balls when it comes to confronting the right wing asshole Christians following the asshole god . For both types of Christians worship the same asshole god..Some even claim that all the asshole gods ,Allah ,Rev moons god,any other controlling vengeful god out there is all the SAME bully god.

The christian god is a bully who says he is rightious in causing a bloodbath.A god who says he loves his creation as he abuses it. What a MINDFUCK!!!

People who believe always want to appease this bully to get favors so they do abusive things and sometimes nice stuff just to please the cosmic dictator..No wonder the Christians are so messed up in the head. It's because they worship an abusive god.And deny the glaringly obvious dynamics of people that worship him looks exactly like the sick psychological dynamics that go on in a dysfunctional families.
It's no coincidence.

[xchrom]

19. oh i get it.

it's abundantly clear -- no great intellectual leaps going on here.

however -- there was something interesting in the huffington post.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. This is the biggest problem I have with the Bible...

I could never follow a God who was such an evil bastard.

[undergroundpanther]

15. Welcome to the Maltheist club

For Haters of hateful gods.
:toast:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

17. not quite, interesting though...

I'm still a card-carrying member of Agnostic. :)


Today I learned about Maltheism. :) thanks! :hi:


...that, in his quest to garner more and more power by making people whorship him, God has expended enormous energy on public relations propaganda to make him SEEM benevolent and omnipotent, as he takes credit for all the good things that happen while shirking blame for the evil and suffering in the world (which you would think an omnipotent being would be equally responsible for: note how gleefully God takes credit for saving people after disasters, but does not take responsibility for the ACTS OF GOD that caused those disasters to happen).
http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?discussionID=164781

[undergroundpanther]

18. I am agnostic about the UNKNOWN.

The gods that are known and have holy books they suck That is the way I express my maltheism..
I am a gnostic at heart. I seek an unknown god,literally,I cannot really build a religion around it because it is a solitary path. I want look into the unknown, discover, learn, and relate to the unknown in an attempt to comprehend,I seek wisdom,and wisdom is not coming from this creation.Created gods like Yahweh or Allah suck because they are too much like this world that sucks..
A god I could relate to would be one that did not create this world, that has no innocent blood on it's hands it denies is there.An unknown force of being that cares and tries to free spirits trapped by this world, and teaches ,knows good from evil and does not do evil and helps me cope with my life(security blanket side).A god that hates torture domination and divine rights of king type concepts,who has the sense to use destruction carefully, precisely at people who cause turmoil(psychopaths)..without harming the life that cares about others well being or stunting the too few expressions of love , kindness, creativity seeking liberation sometimes found here.

All men should strive to learn before they die
what they are running from, and to, and why.
~James Thurber

If the religions were good,they should be about spiritual liberation from suffering and from causing suffering , and offer hope for breaking the chains of materiality and finding home in your source. About wisdom seeking and exploring the unknown using the ways and images that work best for YOU..About helping one another cope with the nasty blows this fucked up creation lays on all beings here.The great mystery is not that we should have been thrown down here at random between the profusion of matter and that of the stars; it is that from our very prison we should draw, from our own selves, images powerful enough to deny our nothingness.Andre Malraux This is what I call Spirituality.

Theology and religion has become a tool,all about controlling the world,the mind, the body, the people, stoicism, Ruling hypocrites taking hidden pleasures they indulge as tell the congregants they are evil for wanting it too. Theology has become about winning war,plunder, exerting control, obedience to authority,Getting offended at other peoples ways of life,and condemning it as an abomination,and killing them or destroying them in other ways like treating them as lessors, about puffing the ego and deny it, About dry empty rituals or ritual induced hysteria,manipulated by a 'leader'.,About domination of culture,nature and life itself..About maintaining power of ruling classes and asking for "seed money" to run a mega church in exchange for a blessing from god as if greedy preachers were capable of dispensing gods blessings like they are god themselves. etc.

That is Worldly "religion"or Theology.
Why do christians call Debates on Theology the study of APOLOGETICS?
Who are they apologizing and rationalizing for? A vengeful god? yeah.