Novak says that Democratic insiders believe Obama will be the nominee

[BluegrassDem]

Although I can't stand Novak, he does get around D.C. a lot and talks to a lot of people. It's interesting to hear him claim this as the national media seems hell bent on Hillary being the nominee. I don't really buy the polls this early. When it comes to voting time, I think Obama will shock Hillary. He's drawing in way too much money, has too much buzz, and too many huge crowds to be down in the polls for too long.

[snowbear]

1. I think he has a better chance than the majority of DU seems to think...

Other observations or hunches I have..


01) Unlike KOS, DU is not rallying behind one candidate more than another (which this early out I think is a good thing!)

02) A lot of DU'ers (again, just my observation) don't seem to think Obama can win it all. (I'm not one of them - I think he can)

03) I think as the campaigns continue on, that Senator Obama will continue to gain enormous traction.

~ ~ ~

And just like you Bluegrass, I don't buy the polls this early either.

If I was behind whoever the perceived frontrunner is, I'd be concerned. But Senator Obama has never been the frontrunner.

Which for him... is just where he needs to be right now.

[Ethelk2044]

13. I Agree with you and Novak

Well said.

[caledesi]

18. Alk the way b-a-a-by! NT

[Capn Sunshine]

35. Good take

Exactly my thinking.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

46. Edwards support on Kos is not that much higher than his support on DU

Why do Obama supporters continue to float the meme that Daily Kos is in Edwards' pocket?

[mnhtnbb]

57. Oh, I beg to differ. Edwards has been winning straw polls at dk. He is attacked regularly on DU

[draft_mario_cuomo]

58. He regularly wins straw polls of all current candidates here too nt

[Lasher]

2. I think Novakula is right

Kucinich is my favorite at this time but about a month ago I started thinking Obama is the most likely to get the nomination.

[mahina]

54. I Love Kucinich too.

But I'm supporting Obama.

[Awsi Dooger]

3. I'm sure the insiders do believe that

He's got genuine charisma and buzz, and normally something like that will peak at the ballot box, not in the polls.

Obama's problem is every time he's side by side with Hillary in a debate or forum, she thumps him via superior thought process and debate skills. And that is likely to continue.

[snowbear]

4. Pffffffffftttttt...

"every time he's side by side with Hillary in a debate or forum, she thumps him via superior thought process and debate skills...

Dream on Doogs!

[Ethelk2044]

16. No she does not

Just like she said we balanced the budget. She was not president when Bill was in office. Bill balanced the budget. She needs to show what she has done since she has been in the Senate instead of trying to try take care for what Bill did. That is the problem.

The media is trying to sway people to vote for her. In the end people will make decisions for themselves.

[w13rd0]

5. I will concede that she does...

...a good job of being a "Uniter, not a Divider", at least in the last debate. But that's the typical role assumed by the percieved frontrunner. Superior thought process? That I won't give her. Better debate skills? That's possible, but contestable. At least on stage, they haven't really gone at one another, not in the same way that Edwards is positioning himself, attacking both of them from the "outside".

So we'll see. Of all the candidates, with the exception of two, I could vote in the general election for any of them over any Republican the GOP puts up, especially considering every GOPer is running on fear and being the moral and security daddy of the nation.

[Dawgs]

8. Can you give us an example of Hillary's thumping?

[The_Progressive]

6. Obama would not win a general election

It's very sad to say there are still too many racist people in the US to allow a black man to get elected President. Add to that the attitude among fellow blacks that he's not black enough.

[Dawgs]

7. "Add to that the attitude among fellow blacks that he's not black enough."

Uh, that talking point hasn't been used in months. Maybe you should go to a few Obama rallys to see if he's black enough for fellow "blacks".

[zanne]

10. Come on over to Headquarters...

I'll show you around.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Keep up the excellent work in NH, zanne.

Looking good...! :bounce:

[zanne]

12. Thank you, Jefferson_Dem...

It's my first time as a volunteer. I really had to get out of my "comfort zone" to do it, but I don't want to miss out on this NH primary season. It's just too good. Obama seems to me a breath of fresh air; I'm reminded of the feeling we had when JFK was running... (Yeah, I'm that old).

[Ethelk2044]

14. Obama will win the general election

He has the ability and support. I do not know of one racist person who would attend his speaking engagements. However, he has large crowds. Somebody likes him. Many people love him and what he says. The growds show differently.

[elizm]

15. What a joke!

I agree with Dawg...Go to one of his rallies and see the enthusiasm of people from ALL walks of life and you'll drop that silly argument. And when my dyed-in-the-wool Republican brother from SOUTH CAROLINA says he likes Obama and could vote for him, you know the time has come!

[tammywammy]

17. You should pull out the "he a MUSLIM" card while you at it

:eyes:

[caledesi]

20. and the others: "empty suit" "maddrasses" "big ears"....yeah

lies and the big ears is so profound. Like those pasty-white, bald guys on the republicon side.

[tammywammy]

21. I've noticed a resurgence of the

Obama's DLC in the last week or so. :eyes:

[caledesi]

19. Alert: talking points......those that spew these talking points would

not vote for Obama anyway! Take a good look at the crowds he is drawing and they are all different colors! Reminds me of the 60s.

[HooptieWagon]

31. Huh?

just speculation, but I'm guessing most racists/bigots won't vote for whomever the Dem candidate is... so as far as that goes it doesn't matter whether the nominee is Clinton, Obama, or Richardson. And why should the Dems pander to the racists, anyway?

[NobleCynic]

45. I live in Nevada, and unfortunately gender is still enough an issue to throw an election

For the governor's race, we elected Gibbons (R) over Titus (D) basically because she is a woman. Gibbons did everything possible to screw up that a Republican can. Illegal immigrant housekeeper, assaulting a cocktail waitress days before the election, corruption and bribery allegations, literally everything. But Titus was seen as a "bitch". I heard this sentiment from more than one person who voted a split ticket (as in for candidates of both parties). Sexism is alive and well, especially when it comes to women running for office in the executive branch.

[mahina]

55. Touche! Point well made.

[LibertyorDeath]

44. Welcome to DU !

Thanx for stating the obvious

it needs to be stated...

Over and fucking Over again.....

"there are still too many racist people in the US to allow a black man to get elected President"

This place is like the fucking Twilight Zone when it comes to predicting the next prez...

[MzShellG]

49. The racists are from both sides of the coin

And Obama has a lot of support from the black community in general. The black enough meme wont wash. After all, he is more black than all the other candidates, not that that matters.

[ripple]

50. His chances are much better than Hillary's in the general

Check out the unfavorable ratings for both candidates. Hillary's is off the charts.

Also, I would venture to guess that there is just as much misogyny as there is racism in this country.

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[venable]

22. He may be right, but Novak is as conniving and manipulative a pundit as there is

If Obama grows as a candidate he will win. If he doesn't get better at talking off-the-cuff, he will fade. I'm not talking about debates, I'm talking about town halls.

I say this from watching some of the longer videos his campaign puts up, as well as a couple of people (super small sample, I know) who went to town halls just busting with excitement, and came away looking for a more skilled candidate.


I think he can grow, as he is very smart, but if he doesn't, he'll have to go back to the Senate for some seasoning.


(I think Edwards will win, coming on strong in December/January. that's my hope. If Obama wins, I'm still happy, because that means he has grown as a campaigner)

[Tellurian]

23. Novak occasionally tells the Truth.

You just have to recognize it when you hear it. He publicized the fact, Valerie Plame was a CiA operative, didn't he?

The joke with the Republicans is how blind and deaf Democrats are that they can steal things right out from under our noses, even telling us their plans and still have a backwash of cover from the self-proclaimed denizens of politics justifying grand theft fortified by blind allegiance.

[Ethelk2044]

24. He tells the truth only when it does not concern

Hillary

[Tellurian]

25. Valerie Plame concerned Hillary?

how so?

the sterling example for post #35-

[jefferson_dem]

27. What is this grand conspiracy you speak of? Seriously. Is this the new Hillary meme or what?

This is getting awfully close to Perot's wild-eyed paranoid delusions of 1992. The Repukes are out to get me...it's a conspiracy... Ahhhhhhhhhh... :scared:

[Colobo]

28. Tell is desperate. She wanted Obama to fade badly by now, and he's still here.

Ready to go toe to toe with Hillary in fundraising and ready to beat her.

[Tellurian]

29. Not a meme, unless you wish it to be..

I've provided facts. You've provided nothing..yet, you're in denial, your candidate is surrounding himself with Bush operatives. What, in your mind would be the reason for that..huh? Tell me..

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

26. We will lose if that's the case

I can tell you why, but I would be immediately flamed.

I personally see Obama as the corporate candidate.

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[Ethelk2044]

38. I see Obama as the people's candidate

However, I see Hillary as the Lobbyist and corporations candidate.

[zulchzulu]

42. Why, pray tell...

If you have a valid point, who cares if you get flamed. Your opinions are quite amusing to me.

[mahina]

56. I'm curious, could you please tell me why?

If there are substantial facts I'm not aware of, I'd like to hear them.
On the other hand if it's unsupportable innuendo, I'd like to know that too.

[bigdarryl]

32. LINK LINK LINK please

[Tellurian]

34. Heres your LINK:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/31/8023/76395

It's linked directly to Obama's statement..this is a commentary!

[AtomicKitten]

33. #1 Novak is a hemorrhoid.

#2 Gobama.

[Totally Committed]

39. Yeah, we all know what an upstanding and honest soul Novak is...

:sarcasm:

And, how much he takes the welfare of this Party and this country to heart.

More :sarcasm:

And, we all know how selfless he is. Of COURSE there couldn't be any REASON for him to write this other than the fact that his innocent heart believes it so.

Whoa :sarcasm: overload!

If he's saying people he knows within our Party think Obama will be the nominee, he's saying it to start a little civil war. He's doing what all Republican "journalists" and "talking heads" do -- He's throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks.

It's TOO EFFING EARLY to know WHO the nominee will be unless you believe that we DON'T nominate our candidate, really, but that he or she has already been "chosen" for us in a smoke-filled back room somewhere, and we are being manipulated. (That's kind of where I am with it at the moment.... and THAT scenario will NOT give us Obama as a nominee.)

TC

[AtomicKitten]

43. I think people should turn off their TVs.

power to the people

[Totally Committed]

48. Amen to THAT!

Novak is poison. He knows NOTHING. He is devoid of a heart or a soul. Why listen to anything he says?

Sadly, that actually goes for MOST of the MSM, too.

TC

[Drunken Irishman]

36. I believe so too, unless Gore runs.

I'm not supporting a candidate yet, though I'll readily admit I like Obama out of the current field. I think what happened to Dean in 2003 and 2004 will happen to Hillary. Too many questions about her electability and when Iowa rolls around, she'll falter just enough that either Obama or Edwards can sweep in and win the nomination. I would also like to state that while I'm comparing her to Dean, I do believe Dean was electable. That's where the differences are sharp, because I do not believe Clinton can win a general election.

My guess is that it'll be Obama, unless Gore runs. If Gore runs, he'll be the nominee and probably the next president.

[UrbScotty]

37. I can't believe I'm saying this: I hope Novak's right (nt)

[McCamy Taylor]

40. I know Republicans sure hope that Obama is the nominee....

Won't they all just curl up and die if he is the nominee AND he gets elected.

[zulchzulu]

41. Have a link?

I'd like to read the article. I know I could look it up, but next time, provide a link if possible...

[election_2004]

47. I don't find either Hillary or Barack to be particularly qualified

But I do believe Obama is cleaner than Clinton, so for that reason I would vote for him in a General Election whereas I would not vote for her.

The Clintons surround themselves with a lot of sleazy and scary people (Mark Penn, James Carville, Paul Begala, to name a few), so I really don't expect much good to come out of another Clinton Administration (aside from acceptable Supreme Court nominees).

[struggle4progress]

51. Who cares what Mr. "I'll help out a CIA agent to support the Iraq war" says?

[Major Hogwash]

52. Who's Novak?

You mean the traitor that wrote about Valerie Plame Wilson and who is now walking around scot-free?

Man, if that's your source, I wouldn't count on it.

[Nimrod2005]

53. Yes we do....She is simply not electable.

[Apollo11]

59. CLARK - OBAMA 2008

Then Obama can be the nominee in 2016.

This is assuming that Al Gore doesn't change his mind about not running sometime over this summer.

http://securingamerica.com

www.algore.com

[sampsonblk]

60. I'd put money against it

Hillary Clinton. Unless something crazy happens, she has it sewn up already.

[w4rma]

61. They were saying the same thing about Gov. Howard Dean, too. (nt)