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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:39 PM
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The 2008 juggernaut: Reagan Democrats
They were the defectors of the late 20th century who twice swept Ronald Reagan into office in landslide proportions: ethnic working-class Northerners, typically Catholic with traditional values and populist tendencies.

Nearly 30 years after they first split from their party, Reagan Democrats are once again at the epicenter of an election cycle.

These Reagan Democrats left their natural base in the 1980 presidential election because their party was no longer their champion. Thanks to a sour economy, weak national security and political pressure groups that hijacked the Democrats' agenda, they jumped ship in favor of Reagan.

Since then, these habitual ticket-splitters have largely been ignored by their party of birth.

Until now.

Hillary Clinton's brilliant pitch to the right in the New Hampshire primary debate last week left no doubt.

"She scared me because I thought that she did so well," said Charlie Gerow, GOP political strategist, uber conservative and former Reagan campaign staffer. "I was sitting there watching this thing, and I thought, 'Geez, there must be something wrong with me -- I agree with Hillary Clinton.' "

Democrat strategist Steve McMahon knows these voters are "the key to electoral success in national elections."

"When Hillary said abortion should be 'safe, legal and rare,' and makes a big point about how 'rare' is as important as 'safe' and 'legal,' she is talking to the Reagan Democrats," said McMahon.

The Democratic Party defines Reagan Democrats as values voters -- people who vote more on the basis of values than issues.

In 2005, Howard Dean was the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee and saddled with a party weakened after years of national losses. Determined to turn the tide, he commissioned a massive poll with Cornell Belcher aimed directly at values voters.

After poring over the polling data, Dean recognized a couple of things:

* First, Democrats did not speak about their faith -- but they should.

* Second, when Democrats talked about abortion, they didn't emphasize that it should be a last resort. While Democrats needed to protect the rights of women, they also needed to talk about taking care of every child brought into the world -- an aspect on which Republicans are perceived to fall short.

Dean took his poll to the party's leadership and to labor leaders. He pointed out that while swing voters do share Democrats' values, the party was not speaking to them in the right way.

Dean's mission became to link things in a way that makes it more difficult for cultural conservatives to walk away from Democrats.

The challenge for both parties is similar: dealing with the control of the primaries by the parties' extremes. For Democrats, it is their bloggers who want out of Iraq tomorrow; for Republicans, it is the extreme pro-lifers.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/zito/s_511866.html
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:43 PM
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1. That source is a right wing newspaper...
"Democrat" strategist? They appreciate her triangulation to the far right. And, they would. It's no wonder they think Hillary is the Bee's Knees.

TC
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:59 PM
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5. Oh, I thought Hillary was anathema and would split the country
Especially because no Republican would vote for her.

Oh, well.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:03 PM
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6. It says "Reagan Democrats" will likely vote for her.
They are only Republicans since crossing over for the Gipper. It says they are working-class conservative Catholics, mostly. They would appreciate Mrs. Clinton's triangulation so far in their direction. It may bring those Democrats back to the Party. But, it will not win Democrats like me who are more Left of center.

TC
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 03:28 PM
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10. Not in a million years
Edited on Mon Jun-11-07 03:30 PM by depakid
That's one of the very same groups where she has high negatives!

She can triangulate (enable the far right) all she likes, but they'll never cross over.

On edit: we should also take care to note the source- it's a Scaife publication!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:05 PM
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7. Oooh the madness!
:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:46 PM
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2. Well,they sure helped the country the first time around.
Where we would be if we didn't have St Ronnie for two terms?

Bless you,Reagan Democrats!

In other words,let's appeal to people who don't really have any ideals except when it suits them.

Hillary Clinton's brilliant pitch to the right in the New Hampshire primary debate last week left no doubt.

That's correct,it left no doubt at all.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:35 PM
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9. I was a Reagan Democrat....
When it became apparent he was full of BS and that the religious right had taken over the repubs there was no way I'd vote for another repub. Carter was not tough enough to keep the repubs from playing dirty tricks and portraying him as weak. There isn't just one issue that made many people that usually voted Dem. to vote for Reagan. Reagan started out talking the Demo language and then played the repub card big time. He was sooo phony. Bottom line for me was separation of church and state and his star wars adventure when he didn't know what the hell he was talking about. When Reagan was in a conference debating the building of the ? collider in Texas he left the meeting without telling them yea or nay, someone stopped him and asked what he thought and he said, "Throw deep"!? They took that to mean he agreed to have it built. He was an idiot. Now we have one even worse.

Sure hope Dems don't overplay their middle of the road strategy as it could backfire. I am not a far lefty either. Lots of common sense is needed badly in this screwed up world bush has produced and Any repub running for office that thinks he has done a "good job" should be soundly trashed and made to explain their reasoning.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:54 PM
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3. Now I've seen everything
Wyldwolf posting something positive about Howard Dean? Are you feeling, okay, friend?

Good article, actually. I hope that many voters who left the party in the 70s and 80s are on their way back to voting for us again.
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bushclipper Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 01:57 PM
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4. c'mon now...
Edited on Mon Jun-11-07 02:00 PM by bushclipper
wyldwolf never posted anything really negative about Dean. Just used his life and times to expose the hypocrisy of his more rabid supporters. So while the material was, in itself negative, the negativity wasn't aimed at him. :)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:07 PM
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8. uh... er...
Surprised the battery in the laptop is lasting this long.
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