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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:41 AM
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NH Poll: Hillary leads 36%, Obama 22%, Gore & Edwards tied 12%
June 11, 2007

Union Leader New Hampshire poll (CNN/WMUR): Clinton 36%, Obama 22%, Gore 12%, Edwards 12%.

"According to a new CNN/WMUR poll released this afternoon by the cable network, Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead among New Hampshire Democrats increased after last week's debates, co-sponsored by the New Hampshire Union Leader.

Clinton holds a 14-point lead over Barack Obama. John Edwards stumbled badly, losing almost half his support according to the survey conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center."

Also CNN Political Ticker in Link

Union Leader link
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:42 AM
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1. Eight more years of war and occupation!!! Go Hilllaary!!
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:44 AM
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3. How is this happening?
It's like a nightmare that doesn't end.
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churchofreality Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 01:31 PM
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17. Please.
People who think she would win by acting like a dove are out of their minds. She is way smarter than anyone else and is not showing her cards until she wins. Then she will pull out of Iraq. All you idiots who blame Hillary for Bush invading Iraq while giving Kerry and Edwards and everyone else a pass should be ashamed. Mitt Romney lied at the last debate and said that Saddam kicked the inspectors out, WRONG, Bush kicked them out so he could start the war. Hillary is right, Bush sisn;t use the autority correctly, he could have let Hans Blix finish the job and war would have been averted.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:43 AM
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2. That's really too bad
My denial is such that I still can't believe she is going to be the nominee, but she does have Big Mo, sooo..It looks like I'll vote my first split ticket.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:37 AM
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7. Which if done by enough people
will GUARANTEE eight more years of war and occupation (assuming your split would be against HRC that is, as implied). AND fiscal suicide AND rampaging deficits AND global ostracism and scorn AND reactionary "constructionist" judges at all levels AND a Justice Department of politicized attack dogs AND no progress at all towards better health care or environmental control, AND more erosion of civil rights AND increases in poverty, crime and unemployment AND more theocratic anti-science lunacy AND more gutted funding for any social programs AND more pork barrel gimmes to the oil cartel. But hey that's better than having to vote for the much much much lesser of two evils on just one issue isn't it? At least you'll have the purity and pride in "voting your conscience" as the neocons continue to rape the country and I hope that keeps you warm and safe, because there is NO argument in even vaguely light year reach of plausibility that says our choices are not A)whoever the Republicans nominate and B)whoever the Democrats nominate. If the latter is HRC, any vote for anyone else in protest or abstention in the name of conscience is a vote for the former. No excuses this time after 2000 for not realizing that. Never again.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 12:06 PM
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14. Enoughs enough
It's quite possible that a Republican will win if Hillary is nominated, for several reasons. First, she is hugely unpopular with insurmountable negatives. Second, many Democrats can't bare the thought of casting a vote for the continuation of neocon imperialism, regardless if the Democratic candidate would be slightly more thoughtful and articulate in her administration of the war. Third, she doesn't believe in anything, that radiates from her.

It goes on, but threats of more of this just don't have the same thunder they used to have. The Democrats did not act like a true opposition party when they were the minority, and they aren't now. Candidates like Clinton would not be a vehicle for change if elected, so I refuse to vote for her because she'd be a tiny bit better. I'm done with the blackmail..
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 08:55 AM
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4. Let's take a look at June 2003, shall we?
from wiki:

Dean emerges as front-runner

Howard Dean declared his candidacy on June 23, 2003, winning the MoveOn "primary" days later. His campaign would go on to lead most polls and raise the most money in latter part of 2003.In June 2003, Howard Dean aired the first television advertising of the 2004 campaign, spending more than $300,000. During that time, he formally announced his run for president, filing to form a presidential election campaign with the FEC. Later that month, liberal advocacy website MoveOn held the first ever online Democratic "primary", which lasted just over 48 hours. It was an unofficial and nonbinding affair, but with important symbolic and financial value. Of 317,647 votes, Howard Dean received 44%, Dennis Kucinich 24%, and John Kerry 16%. Had any candidate received 50% of the vote, the candidate would have received MoveOn's endorsement and financial support. Instead, MoveOn supported all the candidates. <5>

In July, the Democratic fund-raising numbers for the second quarter of 2003 were reported and announced. Howard Dean surprised many raising $7.5 million, John Kerry raised $6 million, while John Edwards and Joseph Lieberman raised roughly $5 million each. Dean's strength as a fund-raiser was attributed mainly to his innovative embrace of the Internet for campaigning. The majority of his donations came from individual Dean supporters, who came to be known as Deanites, or, more commonly, Deaniacs. His campaign's innovative use of the Internet helped to build a strongly supportive grassroots constituency, much of which remained intensely loyal to him long after the end of his candidacy.

By autumn of 2003, Dean had become the apparent front-runner for the Democratic nomination, performing strongly in most polls. Generally regarded as a pragmatic centrist during his time as governor, Dean emerged during his presidential campaign as something of a populist, denouncing the policies of the Bush administration (especially the 2003 invasion of Iraq) as well as fellow Democrats, who, in his view, failed to strongly oppose them


LOOONG Way to go, people...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Democratic_Party_presidential_nomination,_2004#The_race_begins
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:06 AM
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5. And, your point is?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:11 AM
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12. And my point is...
polls at this point in time are virtually meaningless.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:33 AM
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13. Well, besides all the factors mentioned in post #9
Hillary is simply unlike any other candidate thats been in a presidential race..and I say that meaning besides the obvious, she's a woman...but beyond that, she herself has more determination than the 15 other candidates combined from both sides of the race. I don't think they fully understand what they're up against.

Just a point of trivia exemplifying the power of the feminine. In the sport of Polo, the best horses are always mares. They will go the distance through thick and thin and will never quit until the rider does. Not so, with the male of the species.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:39 AM
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9. ok.
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 09:41 AM by wyldwolf
How much money did Dean have then? How big of a lead did he have in the polls? How long did he maintain frontrunner status? All of this is relevant.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:34 AM
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6. From your Union Leader link: 48% have no idea who they will vote for; only 8% made final decision
Despite the low number of undecided likely voters on who they support, poll director Andrew Smith stressed that nearly half the likely voters surveyed were not yet prepared to commit to voting for any candidate.

Smith said participants were asked if they have "definitely decided who you will vote for in the New Hampshire primary, are you leaning toward someone, or do you have no idea who you will vote for?"

He said that 48 percent said they have no idea who they will vote for, 43 percent said they are leaning toward someone and only 8 percent said they have made a final decision.

Smith said the distinction is that asking for a current preference is "measuring a snapshot at this point in time. At this point in the campaign, this is who they like. But it's not as if they have made up their minds.

"It shows that this race is by no means over," Smith said.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Clinton+widens+lead+in+latest+primary+poll&articleId=bfcd9b57-6dd4-4821-85af-c7391c3e8339
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:54 AM
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10. I don't see that as a negative..
that 8% will expand exponentially.. except as time goes by Obama seems to be stagnating and Edwards...well, the undecided may be in that group..meaning those voters are up for grabs.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 12:21 PM
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15. Add +5% MoE to the uncertainty
Pass the poll crack pipe...



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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 09:37 AM
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8. Don't understand why Edwards can't get a leg up...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 12:24 PM
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16. With No Idea Who at 48%, Not Sure at 43% and only 8% Certain...it's up in the air
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 12:24 PM by zulchzulu
I'd certainly advise the Edwards campaign to keep at it, because it's hardly over...



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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 10:08 AM
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11. Great News.............I'm sure it means nothing as usual, but >>>>>



:woohoo: :woohoo: :yourock: :woohoo: :woohoo:


Thanks for posting.
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