What about Gravel?

[CitizenRob]

I watched Gravel's debate performance on YouTube and he seems like an amazing candidate. What do you all think of him? If you are rooting for somebody else please try to keep your perspective clear when you respond to this.

Gravel2008.us

To me this guy comes across as a sane and normal Kucinich (who I also -like- but don't think he has the media image necessary to win.)

[mr715]

1. Mike Gravel is...

BATSHIT INSANE. INSANE INSANE INSANE. INSANE.


"What do you think of the VA?"

"I love the VA. Its where I GOT TO GET MY MEDS!!!!"




Hes like Kucinich, cept less new age and way more angry

[CitizenRob]

7. Aren't you angry?

BATSHIT INSANE. INSANE INSANE INSANE. INSANE.


"What do you think of the VA?"

"I love the VA. Its where I GOT TO GET MY MEDS!!!!"




Hes like Kucinich, cept less new age and way more angry

Look what's been done to this country. As much as I like Hillary and Obama they primarily represent the interests of the wealthy. It's nice they include the poor to some extent.

[mr715]

23. I dont agree...

on Mrs. Clinton or Obama

But we can all agree that Mr. Gravel is chewing on the short end of the sanity stick

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[TeamJordan23]

2. I'm not supporting him but I like him a lot

I'm an Obama or Gore supporter but I am really glad that Gravel got back into politics. Its good to have his viewpoints addressed in the debates. He is a more sane Kucinich, but I still don't think he has the backing, support, and money to be a front-tier candidate.

I would like to see him in some capactiy of public life after the election process is over.

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

3. I don't mind him

The fairtax thing sounds a bit kooky, but at least he's not a DLCer or a smoke-n-mirrors guy like Obama.

[snowbear]

8. Student, Senator Obama has never been a member of the DLC

Get your friggin facts straight. YOUR candidate is the DLC'er!!!!






Senator Obama in 2003:

"You are undoubtedly correct that these positions make me an unlikely candidate for membership in the DLC. That is why I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC."

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Do you and others here think that if you bash a candidate long enough, you'll actually attract people to your way of thinking?

Seriously.. is that what you're thinking?

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

19. Read my message over again. If it's still not clear, you can PM me n/t

[Totally Committed]

4. Snowball's chance in hell.

Period.

TC

[CitizenRob]

11. why?

I would think from your signature image that you'd be a supporter.

[Totally Committed]

30. Do you really think he's a candidate the same Party "insiders" who see Hillary as "inevitable",

and Obama as a "rock star" want some old guy shouting all that "left-wing bullsh*t" into a mic to be anywhere near the primaries? He's Kucinich on speed. He's Nader on truth serum. He's the primary candidate most likely to "go Postal" and take out his competition during a debate.

In this Party of wimps, jack-asses, and DLC cullusion and "bi-partisanship", Gravel is poison... and I mean that in a good way for him.

TC

[NYCGirl]

5. He's batshit insane. I admire what he did in the past, but check his campaign

videos out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x34636

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x34637

[leftchick]

9. insane?

are you kidding me? I swear the lack of depth on DU lately is astounding. I suppose a "pick a theme song for me" on youtube for Hillary is "GENIUS"!!!

:puke:

[NYCGirl]

17. Compared to throwing a rock in a lake, IT IS GENIUS!

Interminably staring into a campfire; who does he think he is, Alexander Jodorowsky? Paul Morrissey?

[leftchick]

24. apparently

some art forms art a little too deep for..... some people. And those are the people she panders to. Quite well in fact! who knew there were so many gullibles?

go Hil!



:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

28. I love to see people twisting themselves into little pretzels trying to rationalize

that weirdness!

[leftchick]

31. I love to see one dimensional people

and laugh!

:rofl:

GO HIL!

Now That Is INSANE!



:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

33. I have a degree in Film. What's your excuse?

BTW, I don't like Hillary Clinton, so posting funny pictures of her makes no difference to me. But hey, whatever gets you through the night...

[leftchick]

42. if you trully have a degree in film

which I highly doubt, you need re access your alma mater. :wtf:

[NYCGirl]

44. San Francisco State University. What's yours? NT

[leftchick]

45. NYU

:)

[NYCGirl]

47. Great school. I would've loved to go there, but I was living in CA at the time

(and I started college at 16, so I was too young to move across the country).

[leftchick]

48. I started college at 17

and lived in NY state at the time (1977). Perhaps we were more progressive than the west coast than we were given credit for.

[Lobster Martini]

10. Computer's limited. Brief synopsis?

Seen threads on DU about the Gravel videos, but watching video on my computer is like looking at stills of Disney cartoons and trying to imagine motion, plus I have no sound. What's the deal? Brief synopsis?

[CitizenRob]

13. Maybe I'm batshit insane too...

but I actually liked those campaign ads. They say just as much as every other candidates.

[NYCGirl]

20. One where he stares into the camera for the better part of a minute and a half.

He then walks over to the bank of the lake and picks up a large rock and throws it in the water and walks slowly away.

The other shows Gravel in the woods, gathering sticks, then he sits down next to a campfire. The camera looks into the fire. This goes on for almost EIGHT MINUTES!

Edited to add: Forgot to mention — not ONE WORD is spoken in either of these epics.

[Lobster Martini]

26. Sounds like "Twin Peaks." I presume the owls are not what they seem...? (n/t)

[NoPasaran]

22. Synopsis

"Rock": Close up of Gravel staring into the camera. For a long time. A very long time. A very, very, long time.

Gravel turns and walks away from the camera down a path next to a body of water. In the medium distance, he stops, turns to the right and picks up a large stone. He carries the stone over to the edge of the water and heaves it into the water.

Gravel resumes walking away, eventually disappearing in the distance.

I haven't seen the "Fire" video, but I've heard it's just as riveting.

[NYCGirl]

27. And the "fire" video lasts over seven and a half minutes! NT

[leftchick]

32. a very long time

for very dim amerikans. :eyes:

[NYCGirl]

34. Perhaps dogs and cats would like it? And, BTW, Jon Stewart was laughing at it

on TDS last night. I guess he's one of those "dim amerikans" you speak of.

[leftchick]

39. holy wow! JS Dissed him????

He has dissed every fucking politician breathing for cripes sakes!

Sad I have to remind you it is a comedy show.

:eyes:

[NYCGirl]

40. Yep, it's a comedy show and Stewart found the film FUNNY. It was even the

"Moment of Zen."

[leftchick]

41. I am SOOOOOOOO

impressed!!!

JS!?!

:rofl:

YOU! are TOO funny!

:rofl:


and remember....


Hil RULES!!!!!




:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

43. Jon Stewart: "But there is such a thing as getting TOO close to a candidate —

for instance, Democrat Mike Gravel's web video, "Rock", starts with him staring into the camera (laughter) and continuing to stare for a full minute before throwing a rock into a pond and walking away real slow. (laughter) The message? Not so much "Vote for Gravel" as "7 days after you see this video, you're going to DIE." (laughter)


Edited for typo

[leftchick]

46. you!

are TOO cool!

:eyes:

[NoPasaran]

35. Who's his media consultant? Yoko Ono?

[NYCGirl]

36. LOL!

:rofl:

[CitizenRob]

51. Making Waves, Lighting a Fire.

Are you really all this obtuse that you can't see the OBVIOUS meaning?

[NYCGirl]

54. Stan Brakhage, he ain't. NT

[CitizenRob]

56. I'll give you "poor execution." n/t

[Milo_Bloom]

58. The Ads are actually pretty good.

[Lobster Martini]

6. Combination of the above

There are many things to like about Gravel, the Fair Tax is not one of those things, and it's moot because he has the same chance of becoming President that an otter has of winning the Belmont Stakes.

Pity, really, but he'll never raise enough money to be competitive. Wish it were otherwise, but it's not.

[DemBones DemBones]

12. Kucinich is sane. He doesn't do politics as usual and

is attacked and demeaned for being truthful.

Media image shouldn't mean anything. Ideas and positions are what to vote for.

[CitizenRob]

14. Media image means a lot though

and that's the reality of modern elections. Adapt or die. Our party has finally adapted.

[chookie]

15. Gravel should be listened to

I am troubled, but not surprised, that Mike Gravel has been made an object of ridicule. I think part of it is his age -- the "crazy old coot" thing, plus the fact that he has not been "focus grouped" into some amorphous PC product.

Like Kucinich, he is the authentic voice of reason and the American Constitution. Let's see -- out of Iraq, which we never should have been; no war with Iran; high priority to stop or reverse global warming; supports gay marriage and gays openly serving in military; eliminating minimum sentences for "drug war" crimes; ending NAFTA; supports RoevWade; reinstituion of the American Constiution; reversal of disastrous Bush era. Heck YEAH, Senator Gravel!!

I personally took great pride when he confronted those who voted for the Iraq war, and for those who strongly consider bombing Iran. I agree -- they are all falling over each other (except for Kucinich) to bomb Iran -- which is utter madness. THAT's why he said, "You people scare me." Those people scare me too. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss -- and the hypocritical Democrats among us will soon be defending Obama's war, or Hillary's war, or Edward's war, in the same manner W worshippers defend his choice to occupy Iraq and lead thousands of young Americans to die or be hideously maimed physically or psychologically. I say bullshit to that.

He also hit the nail on the head when he emphatically asked -- "What are you so afraid of?" He's questioning the whole culture of fear that the Bush Administration has carved into the American culture and made so many surrender their rights and liberties, and accept war crimes, and that is enriching the military-industrial complex beyond imagining. I agree -- "Islamofascism" is a laughable fiction, but it is being kept alive, in one form or another, by both parties, as it seems to be the focus-group-think response. Relax.

I was angry the way the other candidates smirked and shuffled their feet as he spoke. They were hiding being exposed for some of the disturbing policies they support.

Mike Gravel has my admiration and support. I am proud of him because he dares to speak the truth, expose hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle, and warn the American people that they need to be very careful about what they are getting our country into if they support the current policies of many of the candidates, many of which overlap with W.

The two guys to watch are Mike Gravel and Ron Paul. Their message is resonating with people who have despised the Bush era. Maybe they don't have "charisma" or the unbridled ambition to fight one's way to the top -- but these boys are the guys to really listen to.

Ha ha -- but of course they don't have a chance. We can only hope We the People consider what they say, and demand the "winnable" candidates to dare to be a true American again.

[leftchick]

49. chookie You Rock!

I have not read a post of yours in like forever. But when I do they Always cut to the chase. Thank you, Thank You! For your wonderful and cogent observations!

You are the originator of "his chimperial majesty" right? CLASSIC!

:)

[CitizenRob]

53. What is wrong with our party when

people care less about what we stand for than who has the better media image?

[Orangepeel]

16. I tend to think that Kucinich is a sane Gravel (and one who doesn't support a flat tax)

I'm supporting Edwards, and if I were going to rank candidates on the sane-and-normal-o-meter, I sure wouldn't put Gravel at the head of the pack.

[Adelante]

18. I love Mike Gravel

I don't care what anybody says. He's a Democratic hero to me.

[frazzled]

21. Don't forget Poland

Or Albania either, I guess.

[Blue-Jay]

25. "Get off my lawn!!!"

....damned kids....

[SergeyDovlatov]

37. I really liked his 2nd debate performance.

I wished he was given more chances to speak.

[Sparkly]

38. Not very bright.

Apparently, he didn't know the camera was on when his campaign commercial was made. :hide:

[CitizenRob]

55. Clearly those commercials weren't for TV.

Clearly those commercials weren't for TV, and while I'll agree that they were poorly executed, I won't agree that he is "insane" for making them. "Making waves" is my understanding of the rock in the water video. "Lighting a fire" is my understanding of the fire video. Clearly these LONG form videos were meant to create buzz. They've done that, just not the right buzz apparently.

[CK_John]

50. Every Dem candidate should make an exact copy of Gravel's rock video and create a media buzz.n/t

[AtomicKitten]

52. my son is enamored with Gravel

he loved Gravel's campaign ad as shown on TDS

[Hart2008]

57. Could Gravel run against Stevens in 2008?

He is younger than Stevens, so his age should be an advantage!

[coco77]

59. I don't know but..

I got a crush on Obama!