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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:40 PM
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Would a campaign memo including any of the following be racist?
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
McCain (R-Navajos)
McCain (R-Mexico)
Nelson (D-Cuba)
Clinton (D-Israel)
Brown (D-Poland)
Menendez (D-Puerto Rico)
Schumer (D-Italy)
Boxer (D-Mexico)
Murray (D-China)
Kerry (D-Ireland)
Wellstone (D-Norway)
Daschle (D-Germany)
Obama (D-South Side Chicago)

Would it be racist to imply that these senators are in the pockets of the mentioned minority groups?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:44 PM
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1. I thought Leroy Brown was from the South Side of Chicago..nt
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:50 PM
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8. Senator Brown of Ohio nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:58 PM
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13. .
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:45 PM
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2. The kerry Wellstone and Daschle would not be considered racist
In my view the others would be
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:51 PM
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9. 'cept Wellstone was the son of Russian immigrant Jews....
is that anti-Semitic?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:52 PM
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11. Wellstone represented a state with a large Norwegian population
Would it be racist to say he is in the pockets of Norwegians?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:42 PM
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16. How could it be anti-Semitic to say a Jewish person is Jewish?

Or, in this case, sadly, was Jewish.

R.I.P., Paul Wellstone
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:44 PM
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17. Is it racist to say Wellstone was in the pockets of Norweigan-Americans?
I have deliberately chosen examples of senators representing states with a substantial ethnic population from the listed groups. In every case the senator is not a member of the mentioned group.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:56 PM
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21. It wouldn't be anti-semitic to say that Wellstone was Jewish!!!
It would, however, be anti-semitic to say that he was 'the Senator for Israel' because he was Jewish.

To say that he was the 'Senator for Norway' as suggested in the OP would not be racist in the ordinary sense, but would imply ethnic bigotry, not against Wellstone himself but against many of his constituents.

Mentioning someone's ethnicity isn't bigoted, but implying that minority groups are less than full citizens of their country is bigoted.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:47 PM
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3. Kerry D-Ireland ? Not sure what the point would be?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:49 PM
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6. Mass. has a large Irish population
Would it be racist to imply that Kerry is in the pockets of Irish-Americans?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:51 PM
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10. Thanks. I just found the post concerning the memo about Hillary.
Now I understand what the thread is about.

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:53 PM
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12. No problem
:hi:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:48 PM
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4. Jesus - it was HER FRIGGIN JOKE
She shouldn't have said she could be elected Senator to Punjab if she didn't want anybody else to repeat it.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:48 PM
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5. Agreed
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:55 PM
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20. Yeah, but she meant it in a positive way
and one could say the Obama folks were being derogatory about it.

Hillary was bragging about her Indian support - the Obama team was deriding her for it.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:12 AM
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24. she was referring to her support specifically because of outsourcing
not because of support among indians in general.

and the oppo research was used in the same way also.

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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:50 PM
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7. Self delete (n/t)
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 04:51 PM by Lobster Martini
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:31 PM
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14. Obama apologists?
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:37 PM
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15. She said it. It would be different if Obama said the words then he
should apologized.

Hillary just had a macaca moment Just like George Allen.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:45 PM
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18. HRC has strong support from an ethnic group. What is wrong with that?
Are ethnics not worthy of being included in Obama's "new politics"?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:52 PM
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19. Racist may not be the word in all cases; but certainly xenophobic
Some of these groups (e.g. Norwegians) would not normally be regarded as a 'race', so one could argue about whether racism is a proper term. But it would certainly imply xenophobic bigotry against the politicians and/or their voting constituencies; amd has no place in a modern democracy.

Describing a politician as the 'Senator for X" (another country or region) would only be appropriate and non-xenophobic if the politician is in fact spending too much time in that country and neglecting their home duties.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:03 AM
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23. Good post, thanks for it and the point on racism vs. xenophobia nt
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 12:57 PM
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22. Obama represented the South Side in the State senate.
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