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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:49 PM
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Newsweek poll: Bush approval at 26%!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19352087/site/newsweek/

Sixty-five percent disapprove, including one-third of GOP'ers.

Of course there is the obligatory mention of the low approval numbers for the Democratic-led congress. I wonder if the congressional approval numbers are in response to the congress as a whole? Might the public be responding to the GOP blocking techniques? When Republicans block a tax-hike on the oil companies, wouldn't that have a negative effect on how the US public perceives congress? I'd like to see a little more detail about the low congressional numbers; I think they mislead.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:51 PM
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1. According to Talon News, that's a MANDATE!!!!!
:P

"I wonder if the congressional approval numbers are in response to the congress as a whole?"

Of course it is. If they had any intellectual integrity, they would also report on what respondents feel about their OWN congresscritter(s).
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:53 PM
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4. Did you say MANDATE?
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:54 PM
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6. When folks emphasize 'Democratic-led' while reporting negatives...
...the impression is left that the Democrats are causing the low numbers. I'd suspect just the opposite it true. I will wait (with you) for integrity to appear.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:52 PM
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2. Wow! That's almost as low as the approval rating of the Congress that's failing to oppose him! n/t
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:42 PM
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23. Some folks are standing up (slightly) for the Dems.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 04:47 PM
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24. WatFiv makes a good point...
Why? Because we -- the left, the netroots – have now done more than the right ever did to broadcast the fiction that the Democrats are weak and ineffective. We complain that they give up too easily, but we gave up just as easily. We gave up and vindicated what every right-wing sycophant has said about us – that we are weak, spineless, and lack the courage of our convictions. What good can come of this attitude?


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/22/131834/647

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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:53 PM
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3. I think they mislead as well.
How many diapprove of the Dems in Congress being lying lilly-livered louts who renegged on their promise to end the war!!
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:00 PM
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10. I agree but how many more disapprove of GOP'ers blocking...
...a tax hike on oil companies who have recorded record profits this past year. I think more would understand the numbers problem (unable to get a veto-proof majority) faced by the congressional Democrats than would see why a oil company tax should be blocked.

I'm not trying to deflect the rightful anger felt by many toward congressional Democrats. I just think others (i.e., GOP'ers) properly could be blamed for those low numbers.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:04 PM
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11. I agree completely with your point..
I am just saying that the reason for the exceptionally low numbers could also be because of the lilly-livered Dems, not solely because of it!

The Republicans (and Lieberman's) refusal to vote no confidence for Gonzales is another factor. How the repukes constituents let them continue to get away with this bullshit is beyond me.
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:09 PM
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12. Looking at the replies to this post, it would seem that you are right!
I may have misinterpreted the anger and feelings of betrayal felt by our fellow Democrats. I just felt that the GOP techniques to prevent action by congressional Democrats would leave a greater signature in the poll numbers.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:53 PM
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5. Wow. That is a really low number.
Doesn't even need a joke.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:56 PM
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7. I think they mislead on the congressional numbers too. Seems simple to me:
If a man were caught red-handed at the scene of a crime, blood dripping from his hands and with hundreds of eyewitnesses testifying as to his guilt, his approval rating would be monstrously low.

If the police in that town refused to treat him as a criminal and resisted prosecuting him for those crimes, their approval rating would be in the tank too.



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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:57 PM
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8. Congress pissed off a lot of Dems, too
when they did not press Bush more on Iraq. I would assume that contributed to the low approval ratings of Congress.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:58 PM
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9. well, at 26% it's no wonder Congress is afraid to stand up to him
They can't start going out on a limb like that until Bush reaches single digits.
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:24 PM
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14. I wish I had an answer for why Democrats don't push back more.
I feel let down, too. I still feel more betrayed by the Republican party, in all three branches of the government (it's a shame to consider the Supreme Court as a partisan organization but the facts speak for themselves). BTW, if the office of the Veep is not part of the executive branch, of what branch is it a part?
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socretes73 Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:21 PM
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13. In September Congress NEEDS TO STAND UP
and do what it was elected to do.

STOP THE qWagmire - plain and simple.

***THAT**** is why Congress is in the pits.

If they don't do it - look for 3rd parties.

September will be DO OR DIE.
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:30 PM
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15. I am hopeful that the stove-top knob will be turned in a clock-wise...
...direction under the pot of water and that Democratic members of congress will increasingly apply heat to the GOP; I hope the GOP ignores the increasing heat until too late. As focus-group driven as these folks are, the Democrats would be hard pressed to ignore the anger they've generated.

I've never thought I had enough posts to welcome folks but since I began this thread, I think the welcoming must be done by me. Welcome Socretes73! Thanks for responding!
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:31 PM
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16. Thanks for posting this.
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:39 PM
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17. Thank you and welcome to DU, Stop Cornyn!
Wow! I got to welcome two new DU'ers! And that's a name that leaves no doubt about what your intent is!
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 02:45 PM
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18. Thanks
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:41 PM
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19. Look, we've had this problem for over four decades now, and it's time we face it,
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 03:45 PM by Peace Patriot
and find the solution to it.

In 1964, I cast my first vote for president. I voted for the advocate of peace--LBJ. And what I got for that vote was over 2 million people slaughtered in Southeast Asia, including over 55,000 U.S. soldiers.

In 1968, after the country had started to revolt against LBJ's war, and he had withdrawn from the race for a second term, the only candidate who opposed the war and also had the charisma and popular support to win the presidency, Bobby Kennedy, was assassinated (on the night he won the California primary). We were then given a choice between a Democratic war (Humphrey) and a Republican war (Nixon). Nixon was a better liar ("peace with honor," his "secret plan to end the war"), and got elected (by a hair). Soon the Vietnam War had become even more of a bloodbath, extended into Laos and Cambodia.

My point is we don't get a choice. We get war, or war. It is not up to us. In those days, the fascists and war profiteers used assassination. Today, they use Diebold and ES&S.

The majority against the latest war profiteer bloodbath today--over 70%--is even greater than the antiwar sentiment back in the '60s, and still we cannot get our representatives to vote for peace. There is a pattern here, and we need to see it, and figure out what to do about it.

I think that the 56% of the American people who opposed this war from the beginning (Feb. '03)--likely because the Vietnam War remains in living memory--is the key to what is happening now. I think the war profiteers and fascists who have now seized complete control of our government were well aware of that 56%, and that it would grow to the astonishing 70% today, and that is why, when they passed the Iraq War Resolution, they also passed the "Help America Vote for Bush "Act" (electronic voting with secret code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, with $3.9 billion to fast-track it across the country) in the same month, October 2002. That WAS the coup. Not the IWR resolution, but it's "under the radar" accompaniment: non-transparent vote counting controlled by winger corporations. Engineered by Bilderberg stealth candidate (for president) Christopher Dodd, in collusion with the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress--Tom Delay and Bob Ney--with more "Democrats" voting in favor of it than voted in favor of the war!

Diebold/ES&S vote tabulation is the termite swarm in the basement, destroying the foundations of our democracy. It is not the only thing that is wrong with our election system, but it is the final blockade to all change. If the bad guys can't control us with 24/7 warmongering and fascist propaganda, all channels, all the time--and the American people have proven themselves to be amazingly resistant to war/fascist propaganda--and if they can't control our votes with the sheer bludgeon power of money, and if they can't stop us from ousting the Bush Junta and reforming this country, by means of "voter caging lists" and other crimes, then they MUST control the outcome of elections DIRECTLY, with secret code and unrecountable elections. And that's what they've done, in my opinion.

Transparent vote counting--vote counting that everyone can see and understand--is the bottom line of democracy. It IS democracy. And BOTH PARTIES have colluded to destroy it, IN ORDER TO continue the war in the teeth of 70% opposition.

It's not that the "Democrats" in Congress don't have enough votes to stop the war, or to impeach these assholes. It's that they DIDN'T WANT to have enough votes from true representatives of the people to do those things. They connived NOT to have the power to do the will of the people. And I even suspect that the '06 elections, in which the people outvoted the machines in some cases, took them by surprise. They--the "Democratic" colluders and connivers and double-talkers on the war--DID NOT WANT the power we tried to give to the Democrats to end this war and restore the rule of law. If they did, they would have cried foul on Bushite-controlled electronic voting long ago, and the first act of a Democratic Congress would have been to eliminate it. Instead, there are going to cement the power of these Bushite electronic voting corporations, with a worse-than-lame bandaid bill that centralizes control of the secret vote counting code in the hands of the President!

Transparent vote counting needs to be our Priority No. 1. We need to tackle this issue at the local/state level, where ordinary people still have some influence. And we need to understand that this is a long term battle for our democracy, and it is not going to be easy. This so-called "Democratic" Congress has made things very clear. They are not going to represent the vast majority of the party or the vast majority of the American people. And THAT is why they have a 23% approval rating, not because pollsters have mistaken Puke perfidy for Democratic perfidy. Democratic perfidy is REAL. It is the doing of the leadership and the 40 "Blue Dogs" who were (s)elected by Diebold and ES&S to blockade change, while PARADING as Democrats.



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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:18 AM
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22. I was recently asked my priority # 1 in a Zogby poll.
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 09:19 AM by harlinchi
I said, "Habeas corpus." Vote counting might have to replace it on my list.

I still think that, like when Nader said there was no difference between republican and democratic candidates and was egregiously wrong, to the extent that we, the country, got Mr. Bush as president, there still are differences between the parties. I think that to continue to demon-ize the democrats will damage our ability to assume responsible control. I'd suspect that the echo chamber-like repeating of how betrayed democratic voters feel creates a self-fulfilling assertion.

I think the Diebold crowd craves chaos, that it feeds off of it and is enabled by it. The IWR and HAVA were passed by a GOP-led congress in the chaotic aftermath of 911. Would they have been passed by the Democrats? I don't know but I think not. Force congressional democrats to fall in line but stay together. My point is that abandoning the congressional Democrats, fracturing the party more than it already is, facilitates and almost enables the thefts of votes, of elections, of habeas corpus and, ultimately, of America.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:43 PM
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20. Congressional Approval
On the poll detail page: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19354100/site/newsweek/
you can see that Congressional approval is almost as low among Democrats as it is Republicans, pretty much across the board disapproval. The Democrats in Congress need to ask themselves whose support they need to be going after, the 60%+ of Democrats and Independents that do not approve of their capitulation, or those angry Republicans who they seem to fear...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 05:22 PM
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21. Take out the BFEE and its associates and who's left?!?!
The hard-core loyalists who explode if they tried to form an original thought!

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