Ralph Nader Is A Disgusting Self Centered, Attention Seeking Motherfucking Asshole

[ruggerson]

There. That pretty much lays out the highbrow argument against him.

[BenDavid]

1. I agree!

[mikelgb]

2. thats why he is loved

[Snarkoleptic]

3. His speculative campaign for Prez. is unsafe at any speed!

All that fuckwad will succeed in doing is to split the Dem vote and give us 8 years of Fred 'Lazybones' Thompson.

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[Snarkoleptic]

13. No matter how you slice it...

Bush wouldn't be our pretzeldent if Nader kept his sanctimonious ass out of the way.
Look at all of the rotten stuff that would never had happened had he kept his ego in check.

[frylock]

15. bullshit..

Was Nader responsible for the purged voter rolls? How about the recount? What involvment did nader have in that effort? Read some Palast and bring yourself up to speed. Bush was going to be president with or without Nader.

[earthlover]

18. If Nader had at least told his followers to vote Dem in Florida....

....then Gore would have won by a large enough margin in Florida that we would never have heard about hanging chads.

Thanks, Ralph!

Do the math. Gore would have easily won Florida.

Also, when MOST of us were in shock that Gore lost and nitwit was named pres, Nader wore a big smile on his face.

The guy is so full of himself it is pathetic.

[martymar64]

32. Why should he have?

If the Democratic Party would have co-opted some of his ideas, they would have won by a landslide. But noooooo, the DLC had to pick a closet fascist like Lieberman for VP, our current incarnation of Benedict Arnold and ran the wimpiest campaign since Dukakis. It's no wonder they lost to a proven idiot. And the sad thing is, they're doing the same thing alll over again. If Nader doesn't run, then you'll only have yourselves to blame when you lose.

[earthlover]

57. Why? Because we got 8 years of Bush?

And we could have gotten 8 years of Gore?

Nader and his followers were so blind that they may have even believed that there was no difference between Gore and Bush. That is the kool aid Nader passed out to his cult. They slurped it up. And now we have Bush.

[Lone_Wolf]

67. Gore did win Florida. You can thank the SCOTUS for appointing Bush...

Nader not running in 2000 would not change the fact that Gore won.

[pnwmom]

19. Not true. None of Bush's machinations would have mattered if

the 95,000 Nader voters in Florida had gone to Gore instead.

[Cameron27]

27. I hear you; 95,000 votes lost to Nader Grrrrr.

[martymar64]

33. 95K vs how many hundreds of thousands of purged or caged voters?

Sorry, your attempt to scapegoat Nader for the Democrats running a shitty campaign and letting the DLC pick Lieberman as VP ring hollow.

[pnwmom]

39. Doesn't matter. We only lost by about 500 votes. If Nader had

endorsed a Democrat, we would have had a landslide victory. But instead, he smeared Gore and took money from Republicans.

[martymar64]

41. Why should he have?

All the left has gotten from the democratic party is the back of the hand. Many of us had high hopes for Bill Clinton only to be sold down the river. And now you're asking us to take your DLC chosen candidate on faith? No thank you.

Remember also that Lieberman sold Gore out in 00 as well by discouraging the challenge to the ballots. Yet the DLC still loves him even today after he dumped the party and is now campaigning for republicans. Great choice for Veep ya'll made there.

[pnwmom]

45. Why should he have? Because Gore would have been a good President.

As opposed to the creep that Nader deliberately helped put into office.

[martymar64]

48. But Gore did win

It was Lieberman and the Supreme Court that denied him the office. If you recall, the Supreme Court decision was to stop the recount.
Listen, we could go round and round on this and you won't convince me and I won't convince you. I still feel that many people here secretly want Nader to run simply to have a scapegoat when Hillary goes down in flames. We can't go back in time and even if Nader does run, he's poisoned the well for too many people to ever get close to affecting anything. But when it coms to rhetoric , he has been absolutely correct. The two parties have become the left and right winfg of the Corporate party and anyone that doesn't contribute big bucks can go pound sand. You know it's true. In my case it doesn't matter. I live in Texas and with the Electoral College, my vote means jack shit. So forgive me for being cynical, I supported bill Clinton only to watch him sell working people down the river. I'd like to see someone with real principles win the nomination, but the DLC and AIPAC have their heart set on Hillary and the fix is already in, so our primary votes mean absolutely fuck-all.

Maybe I should just put my vote up for auction on Ebay. That'd make me no different from the candidates.

[earthlover]

56. Nader would make a terrible president

Arrogant as Bush, or maybe even more so. He's more liberal. Except when he sells his soul for Repblican money. They know what they are paying for. And he knows why they are giving him pieces of silver.

The guy used to be cool. Has been. Then his ego got in the way.

I can't imagine him as President.

[MadAnne]

58. Everyone seems to have forgotten what a crappy

campaign Gore ran. I can remember cringing.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

23. You're evading the issue.

The claim made was not "Nader's candidacy was the only factor leading to Bush becoming president", it was "if Nader had not run, Bush would not have become president".

The 2000 election was so close that I think it very likely indeed that if Nader had endorsed Gore instead of running then Bush would never have become president.

[riverdale]

47. I disagree

Bush was going to steal the election no matter what, and you Nader-haters are just fooling yourself if you think the Repubs would've let the Dems take it by just a few votes. I don't think anyone remembers, initally it was thought that Gore was going to win the electoral count and lose the vote count. The Repubs had all these plans on standby to have electors in Florida vote for the Bush even though Gore won the state. Once again, I don't know why you people have such blind hatred for Nader. I don't disagree with a single policy position of his.

[martymar64]

30. Nader didn't pick Liberman as a running mate either.

Nader didn't appoint Katherine Harris and he didn't design the butterfly ballots. These people like to have a scapegoat for their own incompetence. It looks like they are going for the same approach next year by pushing for Hillary "Business as Usual" Clinton. They want Nader to run so they can blame him when Hillary gets her ass kicked.

[frylock]

16. word up

[Like It Is]

37. You can't stand what? I can't stand Nader!

What was wrong with Al Gore? What was wrong with John Kerry? Both of them were better candidates than Bush. The fact of the matter is that the only people at fault were the voters in the general election. Or the fact that the Republicans may have stolen both elections. But Nader should not have helped their cause.

[slick8790]

38. There's NOTHING wrong with Al Gore or John Kerry....

To me, at least. But these people voted their concscience, so whatever. They didn't owe the democratic party their vote, and we should have done more to get them to vote for us.

[martymar64]

49. Agreed

The democratic party think they can take our vote for granted without offering us anything in return. Well we're not that gullible this time.

[Atmosphere]

22. "All that fuckwad will succeed in doing is to split the Dem vote and give us 8 years of Fred 'lazy

better than 8 years of Giuliani

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

65. if he actually wanted to be elected, then...

if Nadar really wanted to be elected, he would run for a less lofty office first.

I mean, he hasn't served in even a state legislature has he?

I don't think he is interested in holding office, and he would have to be seriously
delusional to think he would win.

[zanne]

4. Does that mean you don't like him?

[liberalhistorian]

5. Bingo! You summed it

up perfectly!

[Greyskye]

6. oh come on, why don't you say what you really mean?

Because I really want to hear the lowbrow argument against him. :evilgrin:

[MethuenProgressive]

7. You mean Ralph "Bush got elected because of me" Nader?

He's very effective at getting the dazed and confused to like him...

[Stinky The Clown]

8. Geeeeze. Here we fucking go again ........

.... singing the praises of the competition.

Why the hell are you so fast to praise this guy????? I mean ..... please .... St. Ronnie ..... St. Ralph ...... ?

You just don't get it .... do you?

[Greyskye]

28. .

:rofl:

:thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

10. I'll drink to that!

[Gelliebeans]

11. another K&R here n/t

[Bitwit1234]

12. I wouldn't say those words but I totaly agree

next to bush and cheney he is the most egotistical butthole in this country.
And running for president is just that an ego trip. He knows damn well he has absolutely no, nada, zilch chance of winning the election. All he wants is the spotlight.

[rufus dog]

14. don't hold back n/t

[Bake]

17. OP says it all, as far as I'm concerned.

Did you say egotistical? Yeah, I think you did.

Bake

[demigoddess]

20. Amen brother, he is just a republican operative who jumps in to save the

republicans when it looks bad for them.

[laylah]

21. In many ways I hold him responsible

for the condition of this once great country. He is a has been...too bad he does not realize that and leave us the F*ck alone!

[FreeStateDemocrat]

24. Last presidential canidate with those qualities now occupies 1600 Pa. Ave.

[BestCenter]

25. Is there anything that he has that Dennis Kucinich doesn't stand for already?

Why vote Green when you've got a near-Green in the Democratic Party already?

[ProgressiveAmPatriot]

40. Kucinich really undermines just about everything Nader has to say

Nader is not in it to build a third party. He is in it for himself. Kucinich is proof that the Democratic Party runs the political spectrum and has a place for everyone from a green to a blue dog. Kucinich was who I supported after Dean dropped out in 04. He was the only anti-war candidate left.

[martymar64]

52. Kucinich won't win - the fix is already in for Hillary

They'll prop her up so the Rethugs wil have someone they can someone to mobilize their voters. The DLC is the traitor in our midst.

[zulchzulu]

26. The Greens despise him n/t

[martymar64]

29. But he's right when he called Hillary a political coward

I think you secretly hope Nader will run so you can blame someone for Hillary losing. I personally hope he doesn't run, but if the election is lost next year, it will be the fault of the so-called moderates that think anyone to the left of Lieberman is evil. It will then be your fault for four more years of fascism.

[DeepModem Mom]

31. Sing it, brother! nt

[BikeWriter]

34. Why not tell us how you really feel?

[ripple]

35. I have sympathy for man

as I truly believe he has some mental health issues. He's done some great things for the common man and I think he has some good ideas for the nation, but he hasn't seemed quite right in the head for the past few years. It's sad to think that he'll be remembered more for his (possibly) dementia-related actions, rather than for the good works he did while in the prime of his life.

In fact, the more I think about it, either his first presidential run made him a little bit crazy, or craziness prompted him to run for president in the first place. :shrug:

[rep the dems]

36. K&R. You had me at "Ralph Nader Is A Disgusting Self Centered,

Attention Seeking Motherfucking Asshole."

[Nedsdag]

42. OK, now tell me how you REALLY feel about him!

:sarcasm:

[tomreedtoon]

43. C'mon, tell us something new.

That has been true for the longest time. It's almost like you were saying "Water is wet" or "iPods are overpriced toys for the rich" or "If you go to the Middle East you're gonna die horribly." Nader's one moment of relevance ended about 1965, when he got seat belts in cars. That was it.

[western mass]

44. Worst thing about him...he might even force Hillary

to act like a Democrat and pander to the Left!

Ooops, I meant the "FAR-Left" !!

Damn you, Nader!!!!

[pnwmom]

46. Why should she pander to him? He's off on his ego trip

no matter what she does.

Plus, he's acknowledged he get more donations for his causes when a Republican is in office. He's got a vested interest in the status quo.

[snowbear]

50. Two things I can't stand about Ralph Nader........

He whined like a little woosie boy during the '04 election about Democrats accepting corporate donations.

Then what does the two-faced asshole do?

He greedily accepts huge amounts from the Republican Party --- the party of Big Business and Corporatism.

Nader LOVES that GOP money when it benefits his own scrawny pathetic ass---->

You can find tons of articles on Google News by just using the three key words: Nader GOP Donations. Articles from the MSM, as well as sites such as "Responsibility and Ethics in Washington", Democracy Now, Salon, CommonDreams, and tons of other places. (one example- http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2004/06/29/nader/index.html )

And the second thing I hate about Nader is how he (like some of the dirtballers of the GOP) use the term "Democrat Party".

Where the &%#$@ did he pick that up at it????

He said that two or three times today on Hardball.

Nader is a creep. A loser, and and most of all --- a LIAR.

Or as my buddy Ruggerson says... he's a..

Disgusting Self Centered, Attention Seeking Motherfucking Asshole

[ProudDad]

51. As Gore admitted to Michael Moore

If GORE had run he'd have been sworn in as President.

It was GORE who chickened out and allowed the bogus FL "vote" to be registered in the House...

Gore DID win both the popular vote and the electoral vote (if the FL votes had been allowed to be counted).

Don't keep whining about Nader for repuke machinations and Gore's 2000 cowardice (and stupidity -- he listened to the fucking DLC instead of his own heart and soul). It's tiresome and untrue.

[skyblue]

53. I prefer the Simpson's comment on Ralph Nader.

[snowbear]

54. These Simpsons?

.......

[skyblue]

55. Yes, and these against Ralph too! Tom Paine & The Nation

from the Nation:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040216/editors2

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/reproaching_ralph.php

[cassiepriam]

59. With those kind of credentials he can be president of the United States

[Stop Cornyn]

60. Can't we just say "Nader is misguided" and leave it at that?

[martymar64]

61. Because they won't be denied their little hatefest

Anything to deflect blame away from the most incompetent campaign since Dukakis. Lieberman for Veep?!?!?! What were they thinking?

[sellitman]

62. One wonders why Nader only rails on about Democrat candidates?

He has been silent as a church mouse these past 6 1/2 years with the country going to pot.

Now we are suppose to pay attention to him at election time?

Bull shit.

He is a Republican plant and anyone supporting him now or before can go pound sand.

[martymar64]

63. I don't want him to run

But we need him to hold our feet to the fire rhetorically. God knows we need it. I would also appreciate if he were to direct more fire at the Republicans, but that's up to him. Or maybe because the Republicans are so obviously evil that he doesn't need to say it, everyone already knows. The DLC types within our own party are the ones tring to put a happy smiling face on their nefarious plans. They are the ones that need to be exposed and excised from our party, they are the ones undermining our efforts.

He has much less chance of a campaign going anywhere than he did in 04, much less 00. But everyone here wants to have a scapegoat to blame for their own failings politically, and Nader is an easy target. We as a party need to take responsibility for our own shortcomings and work together to eliminate them. If we were to co-opt some of the policies he advocates, then he wouldn't be able to have any supporters. But as long as we have the DLC and scumbags like Carville (the Republican Trojan Horse) around, its not going to happen, they want to push us even further to the right when we should be going to the left.

If anyone's a Republican plant, it's ol'Serpenthead Carville and McCauliffe and Begala and Donna Brazille and Harold Ford. But nobody talks about that, it would be too embarassing to acknowledge that they all are traitors to the party and should be immediately expelled.

[sellitman]

64. They all can go rot but..

None of them have harmed the USA more than Nader.

None.

And that is ashame because he WAS on our side.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

66. or why did republicans fund the Green Party petition drive in Pennsylvania? n/t

[barb162]

68. What's your lowbrow argument?

[WCGreen]

69. Don't hold back now... Let your anger out....