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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 05:00 PM
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Hillary's Mean Machine Scores a Hit!

“I think her campaign is the best organized, most disciplined and effective Democratic campaign I have ever seen,” said Charlie Cook, an independent political analyst and editor of The Cook Political Report. “If you are running against her, your assumption ought to be that they aren’t going to miss anything. And anything they don’t whack you back on is because they decided for some strategic or tactical reason not to.”

On June 14, they got a softball, and they definitely whacked.

http://www.observer.com/forward/emailref/55336
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:14 PM
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1. Ooooooooooh! I'm so scared! [knees are shaking]
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:19 AM
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3. This is what it takes to fight the repubs in DC. Obama will crumble. Just like he did here.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:37 AM
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6. Where were they
when she told her "Gandhi joke?"

How two faced!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:17 PM
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12. Yep. Senator Clinton joked that Gandi worked at a gas station in St. Louis
Where was Puri on this little joke?

Hillary Clinton apologizes for Gandhi joke

Thursday, January 8, 2004 at 07:00 EST

NEW YORK — New York Senator Hillary Clinton has felt obliged to apologize for making a joke about Indian independence hero Mahatma Gandhi having worked as a gas station manager in Saint Louis, Missouri.

"I have admired the work and life of Mahatma Gandhi and have spoken publicly about that many times," the former U.S. first lady said in a statement Wednesday.

"I truly regret if a lame attempt at humor suggested otherwise," the statement said.

The apology followed Clinton's remarks at a weekend fund-raiser, where she joked that Gandhi once "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis" — a stereotypical job for South Asians in the United States.

At the time, Clinton had qualified her joke by adding that Gandhi was a "great leader" of the 20th century."


http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/284313/all
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:21 PM
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2. Welcome to "The Machine"!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:32 AM
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4. So nothing about how they can debunk what was in the memo...
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 12:14 PM by zulchzulu
The memo skewers the Clintons and their personal profiteering from outsourcing in India. The subject line referring to Clinton (D-Punjab) refers to her own joke about how she could be elected there. The Clinton Team did the mamby-pamby "racist" card to how the memo mentioned Indians who had ties to them.

From the memo regarding the alleged "racist" antic:
"Sen. Clinton (D-Punjab) Joked That She Was Senator From The Punjab Region In India. "At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, ‘'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab."


Yeah, real effective... so any ties and tons of cash from AIPAC will be greeted with being "anti-semitic"... Oh, I get it now... :crazy:

Perhaps a full debunking of the memo's contents might be a little more productive. The reaction I see here is like celebrating that you got a touchdown on the 50-yard line...that's in the middle of the field...

Here's the memo's contents:


HILLARY CLINTON (D-PUNJAB)'S PERSONAL FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL TIES TO INDIA

The Clintons have reaped significant financial rewards from their relationship with the Indian community, both in their personal finances and Hillary's campaign fundraising. Hillary Clinton, who is the co-chair of the Senate India Caucus, has drawn criticism from anti-offshoring groups for her vocal support of Indian business and unwillingness to protect American jobs. Bill Clinton has invested tens of thousands of dollars in an Indian bill payment company, while Hillary Clinton has taken tens of thousands from companies that outsource jobs to India. Workers who have been laid off in upstate New York might not think that her recent joke that she could be elected to the Senate seat in Punjab is that funny.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY PERSONAL HOLDINGS 2006:

Bill Clinton Invested Tens of Thousands In An Indian Bill Payment Company. According to Hillary Clinton's personal financial disclosure form, as part his ownership of WJC Investments, LP LLC, Bill Clinton held between $15,001 and $50,000 worth of stock in Easy Bill Limited, an Indian company. According to the company's website, "Functioning as a one-stop bill payment shop, Easy Bill facilitates payment of utility bills as well as recharging of pre-paid mobile connections at a place the consumer is already familiar and comfortable with the neighbourhood store." In addition to providing terminals throughout India where customers may pay their bills, the company also maintains a call center described as "a dedicated response centre for efficient customer service." http://www.easybillindia.com />

2006: Bill Clinton Collected $300,000 From Cisco In 2006. Hillary's personal financial disclosure forms indicate that Bill Clinton gave two speeches to Cisco Systems, each for $150,000 on 5/18/06 and 8/17/06.

CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISING

Hillary Clinton Accepted Almost $60,000 In Contributions From Employees Of Cisco Systems, Which Laid Off American Workers to Hire Indian "Techies." Clinton's Presidential Exploratory Committee took $39,450 from Cisco employees during the first quarter of 2007. Cisco employees have also donated $18,900 to Clinton's Senate committee between 1999 and 2006. Forbes reported, in a feature called "A Tale of Two Cities" that Cisco was laying off $60,000-a-year "techies," while hiring new employees in Bangalore, India. "Cisco used only a few Infosys workers in Bangalore six years ago ; almost 300 contract staff, plus 550 full-fledged employees in its own Bangalore office." In 2006, Newsweek reported that "for Cisco, India is the new frontier, where it's investing $1.2 billion to build a gleaming R&D campus that will employ 3,000 people."

Clinton Donor, Sant Singh Chatwal, Cited Clinton's India Caucus Work Vowed To Raise $5 Million. In March 2007, the Economic Times wrote, " has roped in New York-based hotelier Sant Chatwal as co-chair of her recently formed presidential exploratory committee to run for the 2008 White House race. <…> He is also creating an organization called Indian Americans for Hillary 2008." In April 2007, Mangalorean reported that Indian Americans for Hillary 2008 (IAFH) had already raised $1 million and "aimed to raise at least five million dollars." A major fund raiser on June 24 hosted by Chatwal, the founder of IAFH; steel baron, Lakshmi Mittal, and businessman SP Hindujas, was expected to pull more than 1,000 guests. In June 2007, The New York Times reported that "two Indo-American receptions have a total of $450,000 in commitments." In the picture (right), Sen. Clinton speaks at a reception hosted to push forward the US-India nuclear deal while Sant Singh Chatwal listens carefully.

Chatwal Owed The City Of New York More Than $2 Million In Back Taxes, Fled Prosecution For Fraud But Was Arrested During Visit to India With Bill Clinton. Sant Singh Chatwal, who raised more $200,000 for Sen. Clinton in 2000, owed New York City $2.4 million in back property taxes. In addition, during a visit to India with Bill Clinton, in May 2001, Chatwal was arrested by authorities there and charged with defrauding the New York City branch of the Bank of India out of $9 million he borrowed in 1994. He posted bail, then fled India, boarding a flight to Vienna despite an attempt by authorities to detain him. .

FDIC Charged Chatwal With Obtaining Improper Loans. In a separate 1996 case, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. charged Chatwal with obtaining improper loans from the First New York Bank for Business, causing the bank to lose more than $25 million. Chatwal, who was a director of the bank, arranged more than $14 million in loans to himself and his businesses, often with no collateral, said the FDIC. He didn't repay the loans and the bank failed.

CLINTON AND THE SENATE INDIA CAUCUS

Clinton Co-Founded The Senate India Caucus, A Project Of The U.S. India Political Action Committee. In 2004, Clinton co-founded and became the co-chair of the Senate India Caucus which was coordinated by the U.S. India Political Action Committee (USINPAC). Roll Call reported, "The goals of the caucus, which already has 31 members, include increasing trade with India and improving security against global terrorism." Sen. Clinton said, "It is imperative that the Unites States do everything possible to reach out to India. This Caucus is dedicated to expanding areas of agreement with India and engaging in a candid dialogue of differences."

CLINTON WINS "WEASEL AWARD" FOR COMMENTS ON INDIA 2005:

Anti-Offshoring Advocacy Group Gave Sen. Clinton A "Weasel Award," Citing Pro-Outsourcing Comments Clinton Made In India. The Press Trust of India wrote, "An American anti-offshoring advocacy group has awarded its first ‘Weasel Award of 2005' to Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton for her recent remarks supporting outsourcing. The Delaware-based IT Professionals Association of America (ITPAA) representing over 1,200 IT professionals nationwide, said on its Web site that it presented this award to business and political leaders that it believes ‘betray the trust of the American people.' Scott Kirwin, founder of the organization claimed that people were ‘tired of Democrats pretending they care about the problems facing average Americans. Senator Clinton's actions prove they clearly do not.' The ITPAA based its award on press reports of Hilary Clinton supporting outsourcing and assuring political and business leaders in India that the US would not attempt to save the jobs lost. ‘Outsourcing will continue. There is no way to legislate against reality. We are not in favor of putting up fences.' Hillary had said on Feb 28 in India, according to a report by the Asia Times. Kirwin also cited her position as co-chair of the ‘Friends of India Caucus' in the Senate, a group of senators that supports issues important to India, including outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas, as another reason behind the ITPAA's decision to give the award to the prospective Democrat presidential nominee."

2/05: On India Trip, Clinton Allayed India's Fears That Outsourcing Would End. The India Review wrote, "Senator Clinton allayed apprehensions in India that there would be a bar on outsourcing. ‘There is no way to legislate against reality. Outsourcing will continue," she said.

Sen. Clinton (D-Punjab) Joked That She Was Senator From The Punjab Region In India. "At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, ‘'I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab."

CLINTON CLAIMS OUTSOURCING "WORKS BOTH WAYS…IT ACTUALLY BROUGHT JOBS TO BUFFALO."

Clinton Says "Outsourcing Does Work Both Ways." Crain's New York Business wrote, "Mrs. Clinton may be motivated by a desire to uphold the free trade legacy of the Clinton years. <…> In an appearance on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, she boasted about attracting 10 jobs to New York from India-based Tata Consulting. When Mr. Dobbs inquired if she had understood the degree to which Tata, which helps U.S. companies outsource, was stealing American jobs, Mrs. Clinton rejoined: ‘They've actually brought jobs to Buffalo. Outsourcing does work both ways.'" In An Interview With Lou Dobbs, Senator Clinton Defended Her Support Of Tata Consulting, A Company That Brought Ten Jobs To Native Buffalo Residents But Destroyed Thousands Of Jobs Over The Years. Lou Dobbs asked Clinton, "Senator, a number of people pointed out to us, e-mailing us and calling us, saying, ask the senator about her helping Tata Consulting, a well-known outsourcer, open jobs -- and office in Buffalo, New York. I'm asking you, did you really understand the degree to which they were involved in outsourcing jobs when you were there?" Clinton replied, "Well, of course I know that they outsource jobs, that they've actually brought jobs to Buffalo. They've created 10 jobs in Buffalo and have told me and the Buffalo community that they intend to be a source of new jobs in the area, because, you know, outsourcing does work both ways." Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) Is Famous For Pioneering The Business Practice Of Off-shoring. The San Jose Mercury News wrote, "TCS, however, will go down in the annals of offshoring as the original high-tech body shop. Starting in the early 1990s, TCS blanketed the American landscape with legions of itinerant software programmers from India. <…> Tata pioneered an industry that eventually evolved into the dynamo of offshoring, or sending work to cheap labor markets overseas. <…> Tata's methods have not been popular among U.S. technology workers, however, who complain guest workers suppress local wages and offshoring takes good jobs overseas."

Tata's Buffalo, N.Y. Training Center Caters To The Needs Of The Company's 8,000 Employees In The United States, 80 Percent Of Whom Are Workers From India. India Abroad wrote, "At the Chrysalis Center TCS will host new employees in month-long training sessions to make them aware of the company's history and culture and to hone their core IT skills that will bridge existing knowledge with advanced skills necessary to work on innovative projects for customers." The center will also cater to the training needs of the more than 8,000 TCS employees across the US, 80 percent of whom are from India, according to Buffalo News. Gupta Said Democrats' Stand On Outsourcing Was Poll-Year Rhetoric. The Economic Times wrote, "Vinod ‘Vin' Gupta <…> also believes that the Democratic Party's stand on outsourcing is more poll year rhetoric than any serious economic policy statement. ‘We have to compete globally and US has to find the best product and services at the best cost. Tapping global resources will obviously make the US economy stronger,' says Gupta whose own company InfoUSA outsources both technology support and database work to vendors in India. Gupta, who has helped Hillary Clinton and Al Gore in fund-raising efforts for their campaigns, is now involved in fund raising efforts for Senator Kerry."



Any answers from the Clinton Team regarding this information? Didn't think so....







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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:05 PM
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8. correction. Obama got nailed for racism
"For the Clinton campaign, drawing attention to a document attacking its own candidate had the effect of demonstrating that Mr. Obama, like other candidates, is not above a bit of political street fighting and, by implication, should not be allowed to cast himself as a champion of a purer version of public service. But in this case, the disclosure also threatened to create a substantive problem for Mr. Obama by leading an Indian-American group to accuse Mr. Obama of engaging in racial stereotyping.

“As representatives of the Indian-American community, we have been encouraged by your message of inclusion and your promise to bring a new kind of politics to our country,” Sanjay Puri, chairman of the US India Political Action Committee, said in a letter to Mr. Obama. “This is why we are so concerned about media reports indicating your staff may be engaging in the worst kind of anti-Indian-American stereotyping.”
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:07 PM
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9. Like I said, mamby-pamby "racist card" antics don't hide the facts
I saw the response from Puri... pretty pathetic...

Yeah, Obama is racist...good one...
:crazy:


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:11 PM
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10. If you discuss contributions from AIPAC, is that anti-semitic?
Same template...


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:36 AM
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5. .....all 'ya gotta do is read and read and read and read and....
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:49 AM
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7. How lovely.
Like *mean* Jean Schmidt? :wow:

Wow, that's the kind of type trait I want powerful women to demonstrate as my daughter's role model. :eyes:

When HRC was giving her speech to AIPAC I thought that I saw glimmers of that old war horse, UK's Margaret Thatcher, as the self-righteous rhetoric was dripping from her lips.

Oh yes, how lovely. :thumbsdown:
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ProgressiveAmPatriot Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:13 PM
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11. This is a duplicate
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