Ralph Nader is a political predator, and I am his Chris Hansen.

[LoZoccolo]

There is much talk today about Nader signaling his intentions to get involved in the 2008 presidential race. I have stated before that I think Nader is similar to Stalin, Nader is similar to Michael Jackson, and his supporters would vote for Pat Buchanan or Ted Kaczynski were he not running.

This is a man who preys on impressionable minds, and twists them to his own ends. Notice how often he tries to recruit college students - white, middle-upper middle class college students who use their priveledge of wasting their votes - to do his bidding.

He will not do this unopposed. If he enters the race, I am planning to produce hit pieces on him from now until the election. Many people have a primary focus in their political activities, and mine will be to be against Nader.

I will be Chris Hansen to Ralph Nader's political predations.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. ...

:popcorn: :rofl:

[Forkboy]

2. K&R

[AlCzervik]

3. omg.

:rofl:

[Bake]

4. Do it.

But do it in an arena broader than DU. Get the word out. Nader must be not only defeated but humiliated.

Bake

[stevedeshazer]

5. You need help.

Have you told your psychologist that you're making these posts?

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. If Nadar were serious about serving as an elected official, he'll start

with the House of Rep. He just wants to be a spoiler, and believe me, this time around, he's going to get hostility from the least likely places.

[Downtown Hound]

7. BINGO!

Notice how Nader basically lays low and doesn't do shit in between elections? But when the election rolls around, oh boy! HEEEERREE'S RALPHIE!

What kills me is how is always uses the excuse that he is building a vast progressive grassroots with his presidential runs. Uh, Ralph, you've been at this for years now, and in that time the only contribution I've ever seen you make to the grassroots is to effectively bankrupt the Green Party and kill it's potential as an up and coming third party.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Really. What the hell has he done lately? What has he done to

prepare himself for any political office? The guy is a deadbeat, has-been.

[Capn Sunshine]

8. Start with a look into his finances

that's always an interesting read.

[Bjorn Against]

9. I am sure he is really frightened that you are going to say "dooga, dooga, dooga" to him

Please, don't show us any more videos of your campaign tactics though.

[stevedeshazer]

11. This is 2007

He's old news.

It's ridiculous.

Who cares?

[Bjorn Against]

15. I agree it is ridiculous, Nader has lost most his previous supporters.

Focusing on a man who will get only a small handful of votes seems ridiculous when we could be focused on the Republican candidates.

[LoZoccolo]

20. Are you talking about /this/ video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xOdATCFM30

[Bjorn Against]

21. Yep, that is the one sadly.

[Capn Sunshine]

34. LOL!!!

That poor guy, he's like all of them. Idealistic, unaware of his use as a pawn

[pnwmom]

12. Wonderful LoZoccolo! Have you seen this piece --

http://soc.qc.cuny.edu/Staff/levine/Ralph-Nader-As-Suicide-Bomber.html

RALPH NADER AS MAD BOMBER
_______________________________________________


Harry G. Levine

Department of Sociology, Queens College, City University of New York
March 2004 / [e-mail]

In the year 2000, Ralph Nader strapped political dynamite onto himself and walked into one of the closest elections in American history hoping to blow it up. He wanted to punish the Clinton-Gore Democrats for having betrayed him and the causes he believes in. His primary campaign mission was defeating Al Gore, but Nader concealed this from his supporters, even as he went after votes in swing states like Florida. On the day after election day, when everyone else was grim, and many Democrats were furious at him, Ralph Nader was a happy man.

The following essay presents evidence for this large claim and describes how I first learned this in the fall of 2000. Since the election, political discussions about Nader's campaign have often focused on its electoral effect. Did Nader's 97,000 votes in Florida defeat Al Gore making George W. Bush president? Most observers seem to agree that they did, but others insist that many factors defeated Gore. However, independent of the effect of the Nader campaign on the election results, one can ask about what Nader wanted to have happen. Now that he has decided to run again, in what promises to be another very close election, it is worth examining what Ralph Nader intended the last time.

SNIP

Nader also said many things that I did not think were true. He returned again and again to how Al Gore and George W. Bush were like "Tweedledee and Tweedledum," Lewis Carroll's obnoxious twins. They look and act the same, so it doesn't matter which one you get. Despite all the indications that this was to be a very close election, Nader also said that he couldn't possibly take the election from Gore -- "only Gore can do that." In effect Nader told people to ignore concerns about the handful of swing states where Nader voters might shift the electoral votes to Bush. Because there had been little media coverage of Nader's message at this stage, (especially in New York newspapers) one had to get close to the campaign to hear these things.

That night I received an email from an old friend, Ira Glasser, who had dealt with Nader occasionally over the years. Ira distrusted Nader and offered his educated guess that Nader would not withdraw anywhere because he "wants to punish the Democrats."

SNIP

[LoZoccolo]

19. Good find; thank you very much!

:thumbsup:

[Sparkly]

13. Have a decoy lead him to a house where he thinks RNC operatives await

ready to sign him onto ballots, fund his campaign, and fuel him with ammo against the Democrats...

You'll have a chat transcript...

DECOY: Is this the first time you've ever done this?
STRALPH: Oh no, I'm really experienced.
DECOY: So are you, like, good at it?
STRALPH: Baby, they don't call me Spoiler cuz I'm some kind of sugardaddy...

He drives up, massive ego in tow; the decoy offers him some koolaid and excuses himself to dig up some "newly missing FBI files" on Hillary Clinton...

That's when LoZoccolo comes in...

LZ: Do you want to explain yourself?
STRALPH: They said they were progressives! Honest!
LZ: With the screenname GOPers?
STRALPH: I thought it was "Grand Old Progressives!" I had NO idea they were Republicans!!

[LoZoccolo]

22. Ha ha ha ha thanks!

:rofl:

[Delphinus]

14. I lost ALL respect for Nader

back in 2000. He knew he wouldn't win and didn't care about drawing votes away from Gore. He just did it to satisfy his own ego.

[GeorgeGist]

16. Ralph is little more ...

than a committed progressive who's determined to undermine our marvelous two-party system.

[LittleClarkie]

17. Committed sounds about right

but I'm not sure about the rest.

What he WAS is not what he IS. If he were a committed progressive, he wouldn't take Republican money. A once great man has become a nutter.

[FloridaJudy]

18. Reminds me of one of my favorite New Yorker cartoons

Here: http://www.cartoonbank.com/item/44793

Pity the print's so small on my monitor: it's totally prophetic.

[Cameron27]

23. Yep, yep, sounds good lol.

Spoiler traps!

K&R

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Where do I contribute? Do you take Pay Pal?

[PurityOfEssence]

25. He took something like 97,000 votes in Florida in 2000; Bush "won" by 537

Burn this sanctimonious nut to the ground. He has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on his hands and he needs to be reminded of it hourly.

[Skittles]

26. get ready to hear from the self-deluded naderites

:puke:

[PurityOfEssence]

35. Few things more nauseating than a Virtucrat

This isn't my term, it was coined by some wag in the Bay Area at least 20 years ago, but it's a fun term: narcissistic obsessed with image that he/she can't ever stoop to pragmatism. It's also a sign of a superiority complex. These are to lefties what libertarians are to reactionaries: those who don't understand interdependence.

[MadHound]

27. LOL, you do that!

Get yourself all worked up. Go write reams of paper, shout it from the mountaintops. And while you get your panties all in a twist, we will sit back and laugh at you, because for all of your energy and zeal, you're still getting all worked up over what, two percent of the vote, max. Ooo, big difference, big whoop, I'm sure you've got Nader trembling in his shoes:eyes:

Don't you think that all of this energy of yours could be better spent somewhere else, like perhaps changing the Democratic party to make Nader even more irrelevant than ever? Or simply working for your favorite candidate? But it is vastly amusing to see you getting all worked up over a person who is simply exercising their Constitutional right to run for office. Good job there, nice to see somebody has got the irrelevancy beat nailed down:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

28. Why will you in particular be laughing at me?

I'm curious.

[MadHound]

31. Because rather than addressing the real problems in the Democratic party

You foolishly continue to tilt at the strawman of Nader, time and again. You expend all of this energy and vitriol on a candidate that has brought in what, two percent of the vote, max:eyes:

It is always amusing to watch the Nader Haters blow gaskets like this, demonizing Nader and all third party candidates, that is until the third party candidate happens to help the Dems ala Perot. The hypocrisy is amusing.

Thus do you see why I laugh? Nader does something, says something, anything, and predictably the Nader Haters go off, squawking like chickens think the world is going to end right now.

Have you ever thought that if Dems adapted a few of Nader or the Greens stances, they wouldn't have to worry about third party candidates? Naww, it's easier and more soul satifying to go squawk for awhile instead.

[LoZoccolo]

32. Everybody has a job to do.

Mine is to be Chris Hansen.

[Gelliebeans]

29. Count me in for a K&R for those threads

I'll keep my peepers peeled

[mainegreen]

30. Nader will have a hard time making state ballots without a party supporting him. n/t

[LandOLincoln]

33. About bloody time, too.

I've hated that phony SOB for 40 years, ever since I had a long conversation with a couple of very bitter ex-Raiders at a party--but never more than when he deliberately threw the 2000 selection to Bush.

And those of you who were waxing all censorious yesterday about Al Gore's friendship with Mike Bloomberg?

One of Nader's best friends is...ta DAH...Grover Norquist.