So does Hillary's campaign employ ANY men? Any at all?

[Bake]

No link, because I'm sure everyone has seen the WP article (Tweety's talking about it on H-ball now). All women. ALL. women.

Is that a good thing? Is there a message there?

Bake

[SaveElmer]

1. Course she does...

But it does seem the big players are women...which I think is a great thing...and they are an impressive bunch!

However, Wolfson, Mike Henry...and a bunch of other men work for her campaign...

[PurityOfEssence]

47. Hey, somebody needs to bring in the coffee...

Just kidding.

It is an interesting dynamic, though, and this is a truly fascinating campaign in every way.

She's definitely going to mobilize a lot of women who simply want to see a woman finally get the big prize, and that's just human nature. Whether this can override her huge negatives is an open question, but it's interesting to see how people react to it. There are a lot of men in this country who feel this thinly-veiled appeal to the only minority in the country that's actually a majority, and it's times like these that we see people's true colors; remember: not all sexists are men.

The coded reactions are most amusing and riveting. Perhaps this can pull her through, but it'll lay there smoldering throughout the race until she's out or it's over, yet probably never burst into flame because it's such a hot-button issue.

I don't see anybody questioning the sexual composition of the various men's campaigns...

Once again, what a great campaign season! This is true theatre; hell, it's a epic with a cast of thousands. Just the endlessly increasing number of candidates alone is a jaw-dropper. It's like some old college stunt of trying to find out how many people can be crammed into a Volkswagen. It makes the stateroom scene in "A Night at the Opera" seem like a barren prairie.

I'll tell ya one thing: if it DOES come down to her winning the nomination and reactionaries playing the "she's gonna dominate men" card, she'll win in a landslide.

Such fun to watch; too bad the real human stakes are so high.

(edited for flow)

[mzteris]

2. Sen. Hillary Clinton has one of the most diverse

presidential campaign staffs in U.S. history

. . . Just this week, Clinton named long-time civil-rights activist and discrimination attorney Weldon Latham as her campaign co-chair.

.. . Latham served in former President Carter's administration as general deputy assistant secretary, U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, and assistant general counsel, White House Office of Management and Budget during the Gerald Ford administration. He was on the Small Business Administration National Advisory Council. He also has been a leader in the Democratic party.

http://www.diversityinc.com/public/2002.cfm

[Bake]

5. That's not the impression I got from the WP piece.

I saw no men. None.

Bake

[ThomCat]

6. Then consider the source

and also ask yourself why you're making such a big deal out of it.

[Bake]

8. Because we're SUPPOSED to be the Big Tent.

I have no desire to be marginalized in the Democratic Party. I'd prefer to empower EVERYONE.

I thought HRC's speech at the AFSCME and on MSNBC the other day was terrific. She hit almost every question, every issue (short of the Libby pardon) out of the park. But I'll admit that this article surprised me.

Bake

[ThomCat]

13. So because we're supposed to be the big tent

you jump at an opportunity to accuse one of our candidates of being prejudiced against men, falling right into the right-wing talking point about her being a "man-hating shrew," and you do this without even stopping to doubt the source first?

With friends like you, the republicans won't have to work very hard to smear Hillary.

I'm not one of her supporters, but I won't jump onto a sexist hate-fest bandwagon to smear her. Because we're a big tent, and more importantly because we're not bigots, we need to evaluate our candidates fairly. We also need to stand up for all of our candidates against smears, even if it's not the candidate we support.

Edit for spelling.

[mzteris]

19. Hey TC!

How're you feeling?

Better, I hope.

:hug:


You know, I was just thinking --- maybe I'll start dropping into every "candidate bashing" thread and take them to task.

If you're candidate's not good enough to stand on their own merit, tearing down other candidate's sure aren't going to help them.

My grandaddy always used to say - if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

[ThomCat]

22. Today's painful. It's raining so everything hurts.

So maybe my mood isn't as nice as it could be, and maybe I'm not quite as diplomatic as I could be. :P

I'm doing okay though. :hug:

[aquart]

21. So you took the bait and let them reel you in.

You're going to exhaust yourself if you believe every distorted propaganda piece printed or aired in the MSM.

But, if you absolutely need to hear a negative every time Hillary's name is mentioned, well, okay. Believe that. Let it comfort you. And don't vote for her.

Just don't try to tell us that your bias is a factual rather than visceral thing. Visceral's fine. Go with your gut.

[slampoet]

28. It is customary to include people from the groups you are trying to get votes from.

Having an actual black person on staff helps get the votes of black people more often than someone who just knows some black people.

The same applies to gender.


If this is true there will be some moments that prove it.

[MGKrebs]

48. What exactly was the Libby pardon question?

And what would the home run answer have been?

[mzteris]

9. It's the WP, what else?

Also:

* Terry McAuliffe: chief fundraiser, former DNC chairman.
* Jonathan Mantz: national finance director, formerly oversaw fundraising for New Jersey Gov. Jon S. Corzine.
* Howard Wolfson: communications director, formerly worked for Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Nita M. Lowey.
* Mark Penn: chief pollster.
* Phil Singer: deputy communications director, recent DSCC communications director, national spokesman for John Kerry's presidential campaign and former communications director for Sen. Schumer and ex-Sen. Bob Torricelli.
* Burns Strider: "faith guru" and adviser.
* Mike Henry: Deputy Campaign director, handled the independent expenditure ad campaign for the DSCC in '06, managed '05 campaign of VA Gov. Tim Kaine, and managed primary campaign of IL businessman Blair Hull in '04 against Barack Obama.
* Harold Ickes: helping to recruit political staff for her campaign, former deputy White House chief of staff.
* Peter Daou: internet adviser, ran John Kerry's 2004 internet operations and operated the Daou Report blog.
* Judd Legum: research director, formerly director of research at the Center for American Progress.

[Capn Sunshine]

10. we use the same sources I see

see my post downthread. lol

[mzteris]

16. GMTA!

(and google IS our friend!) :rofl:

:pals:

[Bake]

11. HRC hasn't responded to the WP piece.

Which suggests that she agrees with it or at least is neutral. Her campaign staff certainly cooperated in the production of the piece.

Bake

[ThomCat]

15. That's total B.S.

If you don't like her as a candidate at least be honest enough to come out and say it. This thread is an obvious hit-piece.

[mzteris]

18. could you post a link

so I can read it before I comment further?

[mzteris]

26. You obviously didn't read it

I found my own link, thank you.

The entire article mentions the men in her campaign.

What's to refute?

It's actually a great article.

Just the type of leader this country needs.

[CBHagman]

46. Dear heart, the Post loves the Bushes and hates the Clintons.

Just compare the coverage given to those hell-raising Bush twins, who are now, as per the Post, trying to teach us responsible behavior, and any and all coverage of the Clintons, the Gores, various associates.

So if Post reporters view the story through a prism, don't be surprised.

Also, after the Department of Justice effort to replace minority career DOJ employees with "good Americans" (read: conservative white males), I'd say our indignation is best applied elsewhere.

[Bake]

3. I think empowering women is a good thing.

Empowering ALL Americans, not just the ones who are already wealthy and powerful, is a good thing. But does Hillary give a damn about MY vote? Or does she take it for granted?

Power, it seems, is a zero sum game, at least as practiced in American politics. There's only so much to go around.

Bake

[OregonBlue]

27. Funny how white men never complained when it was all white men running the show.

It is of course not true but so what if it was? Doesn't seem to me old white men have done such a great job or running anything from what I've observed.

[mzteris]

31. A - er - men!

lol.....

Did you see the thread a few days ago about 'who'd make the best VP' - and everyone started listing tickets? Not ONE listed Hillary or any other female (nor even Obama as I remember) as a possible VP until I pointed out their 'old white man' bias. Of course they denied it.

They're not prejudiced, of course.

[OregonBlue]

40. I didn't see it but thank you for pointing it out. Yes, it just doesn't occur to many people that it

might be the old, fat, white man culture that got us into this mess in the first place. What many Dems who love FDR for instance don't realize is that it was Eleanor that was the Liberal and the driving force behind much of what he did. She hounded him to death on social issues. My dream ticket, Barbara Boxer and Eleanor Holmes Norton.

[slampoet]

32. Of course it isn't true but if you'd rather score points than have a conversation, by all means

enjoy your small world.




After all it is hyperbole that keeps the gop able to label the left as liars.

[ThomCat]

33. They hyperbole was the Original Post.

The post you're criticizing seems pretty reasonable to me.

[OregonBlue]

41. Yes, thank you. She has stunningly good people both female and male. But what if she didn't?

[MaineDem]

43. Absolutely! n/t

[ThomCat]

4. This is such a non-issue.

For the record, she's known to have some very well known pollsters and campaign advisors who are male. The Nation wrote about some of them recently. So, no, she does not hire only women. But even if she did, so what?

Many candidates have had all-male staffs and nobody said a word about it.

A lot of very talented women go underemployed in every field because they aren't taken seriously and are not hired for high ranking posts. That means that there is a pool of talented people available. Good for Hillary if she's drawing on that pool of people.

If your intent was to raise a stink about so-called reverse discrimination, then shame on you.

[Bake]

17. No shame here. I asked becaue I did not know.

The article certainly appears, then, to give the wrong impression. I counted on DU to provide good information.

Bake

[Capn Sunshine]

7. Weldon Latham is her co-chair

I think Tweety is just repeating something someone told him. There's plenty of men in Hill's life:

* Terry McAuliffe: chief fundraiser, former DNC chairman.
* Jonathan Mantz: national finance director, formerly oversaw fundraising for New Jersey Gov. Jon S. Corzine.
* Howard Wolfson: communications director, formerly worked for Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Nita M. Lowey.
* Mark Penn: chief pollster.
* Phil Singer: deputy communications director, recent DSCC communications director, national spokesman for John Kerry's presidential campaign and former communications director for Sen. Schumer and ex-Sen. Bob Torricelli.
* Burns Strider: "faith guru" and adviser.
* Mike Henry: Deputy Campaign director, handled the independent expenditure ad campaign for the DSCC in '06, managed '05 campaign of VA Gov. Tim Kaine, and managed primary campaign of IL businessman Blair Hull in '04 against Barack Obama.
* Harold Ickes: helping to recruit political staff for her campaign, former deputy White House chief of staff.
* Peter Daou: internet adviser, ran John Kerry's 2004 internet operations and operated the Daou Report blog.
* Judd Legum: research director, formerly director of research at the Center for American Progress.

[Bake]

14. Thanks for the info.

I asked because I didn't know. I truly was not trying to start a flame war. I appreciate the information.

Bake

[onenote]

39. for someone claiming that they were just seeking info, you had a pretty provocative subject line

Especially since the story you pointed to answered the question you asked.

[Bake]

44. Sorry. I'm in a really really shitty mood.

So please excuse my provocation. I saw the piece, and it struck me the wrong way.

Bake

[kenny blankenship]

12. Keep your head down: it's the Gynafia!

I think there's a message there. Tweety loves to hate Hillary Clinton.

[mzteris]

20. I'm sorry -

it's the What???

[ThomCat]

23. Female Mafia?

:P

[kenny blankenship]

24. Gyn - afia: An all-female mafia.

[mzteris]

30. oh right.

Like you were really meaning to imply FEMALE with your use of "gyn" -

If you were - and I apologize if you were truly JUST saying that - and you have some incredible grasp etymology/phonemes - then may I suggest you coin another word that has a little less insulting tone to it.

[mitchum]

37. Why should the poster do that?

"gyn" is often used as a morpheme to denote a female oriented institution/practice. I honestly don't think the poster intended it as a slur.
Now, if he had said "hysterafia", there probably would have been a different intention.

[Captain Hilts]

25. YES. Harold Ickes, Carville are all advisers. nt

[martymar64]

34. But Carville is not a man

His wife castrated him years ago.

[rox63]

29. Well, there is Bill...

And Terry McAwful. And of course, that Scooter-lovin' guy, Carville.

[mitchum]

35. Well, sort of...Carville

[zulchzulu]

36. Rupert Murdoch is a dude...

He does fundraisers for her...then there's Carville...

[onenote]

38. Did you think that by not posting a link, people wouldn't read the article and call BS on you?

Pathetic. Just pathetic. Unless your reading comprehension abilities are so poor that you were unable to comprehend the references to a number of men who were described as part of "Team Clinton". Yes the story emphasized that Clinton has a close circle of female advisors. Is that news? Maybe, since historically the circle of close advisors to male candidates has been, well, mostly other men. (One could argue that chimpy actually didn't fit that pattern -- his close advisors included not only Rove, but Karen Hughes, Harriet Meiers, Condi. So much for the theory that diversity is always a plus.

[MaineDem]

42. Good grief!

:eyes:

[freesqueeze]

45. I know one...

pretty visible male who is humping his arse for her cause.

[LoZoccolo]

49. I think this whole thread should sink until we see the article.

Look at all this, and nobody knows if the article even exists.