Enough of the Hillary can't win BULLSHIT! It's simply not true

[Herman Munster]

GALLUP POLL JUNE 11 - JUNE 14

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27940

Clinton 53% Romney 40%

Clinton 49% Mccain 46%

Clinton 50% Giuliani 46%

[wtmusic]

1. Can we start this about 12 months from now?

Sheesh. :silly:

[Bluestar]

2. I love it!

Thank you for posting, Herman Munster!

[durrrty libby]

3. Of course she can win. If she only gets half the womens vote,

she's in.

[zulchzulu]

9. I've yet to meet a woman who would support her in the primaries...

I do a lot of grassroots work in public and have yet to meet one woman who supports her in the primaries, let alone in the GE. This includes hundreds of people from all over the US. I've met people who were for her, but have switched to Obama.

:shrug:

[durrrty libby]

10. Well, I have met thousands who will support her. So there

[zulchzulu]

24. Where?

In real life?

[durrrty libby]

30. Look at the polls honey. They are real people

Sometimes I feel sorry for the haters. They just seem so dopey

[zulchzulu]

40. So people who think Senator Clinton is a bad idea for nominee are "haters"...

Just as some find beauty and comfort in people that others may say "not so much", it's funny to see some who think that wives can withstand some events in order to get their reward...

...or think that they will get their reward.

What does it say for women as a role model when they see someone like Senator Clinton put up with her husband's joie de chasseur de jupe...

What embarrassing times for America...and some want more... just what America needs... :crazy:

It's not "hate". It's more a mix of pity and not wanting to watch in slow motion a bad car accident that could be avoided.

[Name removed]

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[Bluestar]

18. Well, how do you do? You have just met me--I'm a woman and I support her in the primary n/t

[durrrty libby]

22. Howdy back atcha

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

26. Good for both of you...

I've never met anyone who supports her in real life. Go figger...

[durrrty libby]

28. Yeah some people just attract negative ions. Really sad

[zulchzulu]

37. I take it that your comment was some kind of insult...

Nicely played...nicely played...

:crazy:

[assclown_bush]

4. Logic will not deter the Hillary Haterz...

They are intent on bringing her down, even if it's at the expense of the next election.

[assclown_bush]

6. K & R n/t

[ProgressiveAmPatriot]

39. She's my least favorite of the top 3, but you're right on about that n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. I like her

She's a brilliant woman, but this country will not elect a woman president for a looong time.

I wish this country were different. But it isn't different, and it's not going to elect a woman president.

The lies the Neo-Cons said about her for the past 16 or 17 years have made an impact. All they need to destroy her, is to pull the same lies out again, and use Neo-Con women to spread them. They won't even need to spend much money on it. Then we'll end up with a moderate Republican as president.

At that point, I'll have no choice but to leave the country because I'll be so depressed at our stupidity that I won't be able to stand living here.

[illinoisprogressive]

7. she cannot win. she chases half her own party away to begin with

[durrrty libby]

13. Well that right there is a bunch of stinky bullshit, as per usual

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. But please, don't mention

that Edwards ranked better than Hillary in every one of the match ups.

ON EDIT:
And do you really trust Gallup? This is not your daddy's Gallup - or should I say Gallup's daddy's Gallup. It has slanted right ever since Daddy Gallup retired and the company went to the son.

[natrat]

11. republican wet dream-so fucking obvious

[venable]

12. do you understand what the republican smear machine would do to her

they'd make Cruella de Ville seem like a saint compared to what they will do to her. The cannons are being held in reserve. This is not hating, this is simple observation of how our country operates. They will slime everyone, a lot, but nobody more than her.

That's why people say she could never win. Sadly, they are right.

[eweaver155]

16. It would make people relive the Clinton Admin hearings and would

make people not vote for her.

[Herman Munster]

17. you know nothing of history

republicans tend to overplay their hand with hillary and turnoff voters. The more they attack the higher the clinton's favorables go. That has been the history.

[venable]

21. with Bill, yes, HRC, not so much n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

33. And the Republican smear machine

will do that to ANY candidate. At least Clinton has fought bac against those bastards - and won - for 18 years. There's nothing new they can throw at her.

[venable]

38. maybe, or maybe it's even easier for them to go after her

because the themes, false though they may be, are common currency.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. and thus more easily refuted

and also less news-worthy.

[venable]

46. think that if you want, I think otherwise.

wish it weren't so, but I believe she would be painted as the most polarizing figure in america, and would get slaughtered in the GE.

[zulchzulu]

14. Obama outpaces Clinton with Edwards ahead in the poll

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Edwards and Clinton have lots of name recognition and Obama clearly is within grasp of beating all of them easily as he gets more known.

[Atmosphere]

19. very interesting..

it makes me wonder why the GOP want Hillary to win the primaries so badly

[zulchzulu]

23. Welcome to DU!

Drinks down the hall, mudwrestling next door...no wait... it's here...

:party:

[LWolf]

15. Truth: Whether she can or can't, she shouldn't.

She is too tied to corporate interests to lead us out of the mess we're in now.

If she wins, it won't be with my support, assistance, or vote.

[napi21]

29. Show me ANY major candidate who ISN'T linked to the Corps!

It's not like this hasn't been discussed and beat to death! The problem is a candidate simply can't get enough $$ to remain competative through the end WITHOUT the Corp. MONEY! I HATE it too, but it's a fact!

That was one of the reasons Pubs were ALWAYS raising more campaign $$ than Dems before BC.

I suspect the only answer is Fed. funded election, but I sure don't expect to see THAT in my lifetime!

[LWolf]

48. I see you've crafted your question well.

Setting it up to support the mind-numbing, hope-killing status quo. The propaganda machine trains obedient citizens well.

Of course there are candidates who aren't linked to corporations. There's at least one in the '08 race now. It's just that they aren't "MAJOR" candidates. Since "major" candidates are determined by polling numbers, and polling numbers are determined by corporate dollars and propaganda, and the corporate media about who is "major" and worth reporting about, or getting significant time at debates, etc., a non-corporate candidate will never be billed as "MAJOR."

At least, not until the masses stop drinking the corporate kool-aid and allowing their choices to be dictated to them in the name of democracy.

If people quit tuning in to stupid corporate talk shows feeding the "major" candidate frenzy, quit donating to "major" candidates, quit voting for them in polls, and generally "ignored" them like the corporate power structures do the non-corporate candidates.....

If people, instead, focused their conversation, attention, and support on the non-corporate candidates....

how long would it take for them to become "major?"

It's all about money, but we have the power to make sure that the corporate donors and string-pullers spend their money in vain. Instead, too many people support their control of the country by doing the job they dictate: electing their hand-picked candidates.

I, for one, have the courage to refuse to toe the corporate line. I will support the non-corporate candidate. Gladly. When the general election rolls around, if there is no non-corporate candidate on the ballot, I'll write one in.

I believe that the viability of the Democratic Party, of the U.S. Constitution, of Democratic principles, all hinge on whether or not enough citizens are willing to refuse to play the corporate game. In politics, in our culture, in our living and spending habits.

If every voter who yearned to support the non-major/corporate candidate had the courage to do so, perhaps we could see federally funded elections in our lifetime. Or true universal health care. Or so many of the other goals that will never happen under corporate rule, regardless of party in power.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

20. Just curious but how do these numbers convert into what really counts - electoral votes

I still think if she gets away with buying the Dem nomination she may finish third when the indy's, puke's and disconcerted Dem's all start voting for anyone but her sorry ass. Hillary's nomination will guarantee a significant third party ticket (not Nadar).

[papau]

27. Currently (and therefore this means little) she flips 4 red states, holds the blue, and wins n/t

n/t

[zulchzulu]

42. ..."flips 4 red states"?

What states would they be?

[Inspired]

25. Even if she can, I still don't want her as the nominee.

Sorry. H. Clinton does not represent the kind of change that I feel our country needs. Obviously I'm an Edwards supporter and I will disclose that Obama is my second choice. They both represent what I'm looking for.

[pansypoo53219]

31. well, she's MORE popular than kerry

and she always ALWAYS beat lauWa in that stupid good housekeeping most admired woman bullshit and the 1st lady ALWAYS wins that.

npot that i want her to win, tho it will make rite wingers INSANE.

[earthlover]

32. Sorta one-sided headline...

Hillary leads Rep. BUT THE OTHER DEMS DO BETTER AGAINST REPS THAN SHE DOES! But you gotta read the rest of the link!

There is nothing in this poll what makes me want to support Hillary based on electability. Why support someone who doesn't do as well as Obama or Edwards on the basis of electability? Doesn't make sense.

[sendero]

34. Why is it only the...

... polling organization that ALWAYS has Repugs showing 5%-8% more than any poll this is showing these numbers.

I'd trust used tea leaves before I'd trust Gallup and can't believe anyone would put any stock whatsoever in their "polls".

[EndElectoral]

35. Did you even read the link you posted?

Edwards leads Romney by 29 percentage points (61% to 32%)
Obama leads him by 21 points (57% to 36%)
Clinton leads him by 13 points (53% to 40%).

Clinton whos the worst performance against the other Democratic candidates. Talk about spin. This doesn't even include Fred Thompson who will win the Republican nominaiton.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

36. The facts speak for themselves

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3330663

==Electoral college result

HRC vs. Ghouliani vs. Bloomberg: HRC 179, Ghouliani 62
Obama vs. Ghouliani vs. Bloomberg*: Ghouliani 170, Obama 56 (Ghouliani flips California, NY, even Massachusetts. OH is a tie so I gave no EV's for OH)==

==The electoral college count for that survey was Edwards 146, Ghouliani 36; HRC 128 (she wins NY's 31 electoral votes against Ghouliani, neither JE or BO do), Ghouliani 54; Obama 74, Ghouliani 108. The Democrats' electoral vote totals are greatly inflated because of the inclusion of California in this 11 state survey, with its 55 electoral votes going to each Dem. Take California out and things are more telling: Edwards 91, Ghouliani 36; HRC 73, Ghouliani 54; Obama 19, Ghouliani 108. http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_surveyusa_10_state_g... ==

[jenmarie]

43. Where are the polls

showing how many won't vote for her? She won't win. As many here have said, she's the Republic's choice for our nominee because they know she'll not only motivate their base to come out and vote but she'll also negatively effect downticket races for the Dems. Everyone I talk to doesn't think she can win unless ALL women unite and vote for her. How likely is that?

[NaturalHigh]

44. She might very well win.

She will have to do it, however, without my vote or support.

[ripple]

47. Despite how fractured their party is right now,

Hillary is the one democratic candidate that can effectively rally and unite their base. This is our election to lose and in my view, putting Hillary up could very well cost us not just the presidency, but what little balance we have left on the Supreme Court, as well as control of Congress.

I repeat- she will rally the republican base like nobody else could.