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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:27 PM
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Parsing Obama's Punjab Flub
In no time, two intersecting story lines took hold: Mr. Obama, the squeaky-clean prophet of a new politics, was caught out in a rather sleazy brand of very old-style negative campaigning. And to make matters worse, the press release seemed to be playing a crass New Economy race card—or at least trafficking in xenophobic caricatures of an Indian takeover of U.S. politics. By the beginning of this week, these interlocked charges of hypocrisy and ethnic demagoguery caromed so widely through the media and the blogosphere that the Illinois Senator had to pull back from the offending campaign document, calling it “stupid and caustic” and a breach of his “long-standing support and friendships within the Indian-American community.”

Yet both charges seem bogus. Anyone reading on in the actual text of the Obama release would discover that New York’s junior Senator had jokingly referred to herself as a prospective Senator from Punjab at an Indian-American fund-raising event. It’s true that the headline in question wasn’t a model of clarity—but it’s also hard to see how the same word choice in the hands of one candidate is a show of playful ethnic solidarity, while becoming a telltale sign of bigotry the moment another one takes it up in the spirit of criticism.

And as for Mr. Obama contradicting his promise to deliver a “new politics,” there’s nothing in that term—sweeping and ill-defined as it is—that rules out going aggressively at an opponent’s policies. A pleasant-sounding campaign theme places no candidate under an obligation of perpetual saintliness—let along an obligation to lie still and lose. And it appears yet again the case that press commentators hold would-be Democratic leaders to a far higher, and indeed artificial, standard of conduct compared to sloganeers on the G.O.P. side of the aisle. Anyone recall George W. Bush’s 2000 vow to “change the tone” in Washington? That vow now lies mangled and forgotten in history’s dustbin, right alongside that entertaining 2000 promise of a “more humble” foreign policy in a Bush administration.

Yet since this hubub concerns a Democratic presidential aspirant, there must be extended fretting about high standards going unmet. But what was it, in the end, that this horridly gauche campaign document was actually saying? That both Hillary Clinton and her husband have extensive blind-trust investments in Indian companies that outsource jobs from the U.S. to India, and that both have pulled down hefty speaking fees from such firms, and from their U.S. counterparts who want to keep their work forces young and underpaid with steady infusions of engineers and software specialists from the South Asian subcontinent. While all this information came bearing the superficial appearance—and snidely insinuating tone—of a heavy-breathing personal attack, it was actually addressing a matter of serious policy concern, especially to American workers in the software industry. And the Clintons’ financial ties to Indian subcontractors of cheap tech labor are especially germane, it seems, as the Senate weighs a plan to double existing quotas for H-1B visas in the new immigration package—the extended-stay documents that permit U.S. tech giants to import I.T. talent from overseas while kissing off many older, higher-wage U.S. workers.

http://www.observer.com/2007/parsing-obama-s-punjab-flub
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:40 PM
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1. Two things: the memo wasn't "racist" and Clinton Team can't debunk what memo said
Apparently, the Clinton Team is high-fiving themselves for getting some guy of Indian persuasion to say it was "racist", all without mentioning Senator Clinton's 2004 jab where she joked that Gandi managed a St. Louis gas station to laughs in the crowd.

The memo indicates a lot of troubling tidbits about the Clintons profitting from their outsourcing tendencies. On that issue, the Clinton Team is silent on the charges.

As anyone who has follows politics for more than a couple weeks, there is always opposition research. It's like breathing when an athlete runs.

More here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3331850&mesg_id=3333291




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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:50 PM
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2. dog pile!
why is`t anyone complaining about her saying she could be the senator from punjab or something like that...LOL!!!!!!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:54 PM
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3. "Troubling tidbits" as in....link? Source? Some form of factual research?
Or is snide, smearing innuendo all we can expect?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:41 AM
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12. Adjust your monitor...
I guess you didn't see the LINK within my post. Refer to your computer manual on how to operate a mouse.


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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:18 AM
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13. Must not have read the article
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:04 PM
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6. Spot on, zulchzulu!
This whole episode was one of the most bogus, and stinkiest, red herrings i've seen 'round here in a while.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:21 AM
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11. the racist claims are ridiculous
it'd be no different than if his camp said Hilary Clinton (D-Texas) because she'd supported cotton subsidies or something
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:02 PM
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4. Am I the only one
who thinks this is "much ado about nothing"?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:05 PM
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7. I did until it got blown up. It was common oppo research stuff. but, the media hyped it and
while doing so failed to point out the clintons troubling dealings and outsourcing and the fact that the senator of Punjab was Hillary's line. The media made the Indian community think Obama was being racist.
Excuse me. he grew up in indoneasia, hello!
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:06 AM
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10. This is the media's
specialty and damn how the political sharks love it. Obama will be fine but he needs to be a little more alert as to the potential harm a disgruntled or over zealous staff worker can cause.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:03 PM
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5. And like the article states, doing politics different doesn't mean you have to be a saint
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:07 PM
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8. Well then TeamObama really fucked up.
There may be a legitimate message in there, but they polluted it with the cynical smear. If hey had a legitimate issue, they should have just brought it up. If they had just put their name on it and left out the "Punjab" we might actually be talking about outsourcing instead of talking about how TeamObama got punked. They still have time to learn.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:00 AM
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9. Yeah, good point
about how it could have been constructive. There is going to be much more of this kind of construed crap from all sides but do hope it was a learning lesson for Obama's young organization.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:20 AM
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14. The truth will come out more and more as we get closer to election time
You can count on it. People will not let this go unanswered.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:24 AM
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15. Keystone Kops...
An amateurish operation that got its clock cleaned by a superior campaign...

Not only did Obama admit it was a classless thing to do, but admitted the memos did not reflect the complexity of the outsourcing issue, or of his views on the subject...

But his supporters, unwilling to accept this, just keep coming back for more...
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