"What the hell just happened?" Secretary of State Colin L. Powell demanded, a witness said, when CNN

[rodeodance]

Cheney is our real President (if you had any prior doubts).

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cheney/chapters/chapter_1/

'A Different Understanding With the President'

Web Q&A: Monday, 1 p.m. ET
» Reporter Barton Gellman, will be online on Monday, June 25 to answer readers' questions about the Cheney series. Submit a Question Here.

By Barton Gellman and Jo Becker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, June 24, 2007; Page A01

Just past the Oval Office, in the private dining room overlooking the South Lawn, Vice President Cheney joined President Bush at a round parquet table they shared once a week. Cheney brought a four-page text, written in strict secrecy by his lawyer. He carried it back out with him after lunch.

In less than an hour, the document traversed a West Wing circuit that gave its words the power of command. It changed hands four times, according to witnesses, with emphatic instructions to bypass staff review. When it returned to the Oval Office, in a blue portfolio embossed with the presidential seal, Bush pulled a felt-tip pen from his pocket and signed without sitting down. Almost no one else had seen the text.

Cheney's proposal had become a military order from the commander in chief. Foreign terrorism suspects held by the United States were stripped of access to any court -- civilian or military, domestic or foreign. They could be confined indefinitely without charges and would be tried, if at all, in closed "military commissions."

"What the hell just happened?" Secretary of State Colin L. Powell demanded, a witness said, when CNN announced the order that evening, Nov. 13, 2001. National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, incensed, sent an aide to find out. Even witnesses to the Oval Office signing said they did not know the vice president had played any part................

[Richard Steele]

1. Edgar Bergen presented a document and Charlie McCarthy signed it, that's what happened. nm

[PurityOfEssence]

29. I'd say Junior's a tad more like Mortimer Snerd...

...although your analysis is quite correct.

[Richard Steele]

58. As I'm not terribly familiar with them, I'll have to accept your opinion. nm

[JHB]

72. Google the names

Edgar Bergen had more than one puppet. The most famous was Charlie McCarthy, but #2 was Mortimer Snerd, and let's just say Mortimer's wood was a bit thicker upstairs. I may be mistaken, but I think the Looney Toons vulture character (Uhhhh, yup, yup, yup!) was a bit of a ripoff of Snerd.

[IndyOp]

2. Okay. I knew I was sane. I am shocked that the corporate press

is catching up to the truth. Really. Freaking shocked.

:wow:

[Kagemusha]

5. I second that.

I'm amazed to see it in print in this manner.

[mzmolly]

55. Ratings my friend, ratings.

:hi:

[wildhorses]

3. --

:wtf:

[Kagemusha]

4. Just shows how thin Bush's leadership is.

To be led around by his VP like that.. pathetic.

[bleever]

16. Check out this prime example:

A White House lawyer with direct knowledge said Cheney's lawyer, Addington, wrote the memo. Flanigan passed it to Gonzales, and Gonzales sent it as "my judgment" to Bush . If Bush consulted Cheney after that, the vice president became a sounding board for advice he originated himself.

Just like his tactic of getting leaks to Judy Miller, than going on the Sunday talkers to say, "Look what the New York Times has uncovered!"

[Kagemusha]

17. Legal advice laundering. Cute.

Real cute.

[bleever]

19. "Advice laundering."

You read it here first, folks.

I think you're the first to come up with a name for one of the Rummy-Cheney axis' prime tactics.

[Kagemusha]

20. I derived it from a term I use for another cute one, "information laundering"

Intelligence laundering is another one. Taking stuff from scummy sources and parading it as intelligence from a respectable source. (i.e. the whole Niger forgery thing.)

[LonelyLRLiberal]

26. Bush is so stupid, he probably thinks he is "delegating".

This is not good for my blood pressure!

[Lasher]

6. Powell is a dufus

If he and Condi didn't like it why didn't they both resign right then?

[Vickers]

41. Exactly. Their weak protestations were the stuff of hangings after WW2.

Their culpability is only enhanced, not lessened, by their "outrage." :eyes:

[yardwork]

53. Sad. Both Powell and Rice know what happens to people denied rights.

They've sold their heritage for minor fame and fortune. I wonder how they sleep at night. Probably need a lot of drugs.

[Mark Twain Girl]

59. Good question - here's another question: why did Powell then shill for a war for this cabal? n/t

[rurallib]

71. No kidding. And why would Obama be taking advice from him

Don't kill me Obama fans. He was #1 with me for a while, but collaborating with a guy who saw shit like this and said nothing?

[tularetom]

7. Yep cheney is indeed the real president

and the real irony is that he essentially hired himself for the job. Whoever put him in charge of the committee to select the boy king's vice president had to know what he was going to do. After all, he isn't that stupid. He knew * was a mental defective with delusions of competency and would be easily manipulated, giving him the chance to do what he and rummy had plotted since the downfall of Nixon.

But what cheney never counted on was how easily it would all be accomplished and how willing our corporate media would be to assist in the process.

[supernova]

9. Thanks MSM, even if you are

7 years late.

This was exactly what we've been frothing about on DU all this time.

Wow. Still hard to believe it's in print, though. More people will see it and not call me crazy. Maybe. I'll believe it when I hear it.

[elocs]

21. Ahh, "frothing", that is the word I have been looking for.

Yes, there certainly is a lot of frothing going on here at DU and has for a long time on a variety of subjects. Yep, frothing, frothing to the max. Beaucoup frothing.

[kenny blankenship]

8. There is a Dick growing on the cancer that is growing on the Presidency

Could this be the story that finally convinces the establishment press and Hill Democrats that Dick is a threat to the survival of the Constitution and must be lopped off? The reaction by Powell and the claim that CNN is how he first heard the news about die Neue Ordnung ringing down on America shows that Bush took this step at Cheney's urging without even consulting his Cabinet. Von Rumsfeldt probably knew but if your Secretary of State hasn't got a clue about unprecedented draconian measures that will impact foreigners within the United States or within its reach then it's certain that the rest of the Cabinet has not.

[1620rock]

12. Not likely.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

10. This confirms what we all knew

Will this get legs in the MSM?

[melody]

11. I cannot believe this made it to WP

I feel a little like a miracle has transpired before my very eyes.

[AndyTiedye]

13. EEEEEVIL!

[Auntie Bush]

60. Damn you!

You forgot to give us a WARNING that disgusting/nauseating pictures were about to be viewed. I didn't want to look at that face! I'd appreciate the same warning you'd give before showing a beheading. One is as bad as the other!

[Harry Monroe]

63. If I looked like Cheney...

...I'd shave my ass and walk backwards.

[autorank]

14. The press positioned escape hatch..."but I never liked it."

This is a typical Powell story. I was outraged.

What was going on when he told all those lies to the UN?

Did he really believe that swill?

If he didn't know, well not much to recommend there as an intellect.

If he did, hm.....

[bleever]

15. Cheney's reaction the morning of September 11, 2001:

In expanding presidential power, Cheney's foremost agent was David S. Addington, his formidable general counsel and legal adviser of many years. On the morning of Sept. 11, Addington was evacuated from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to the White House and began to make his way toward his Virginia home on foot. As he neared the Arlington Memorial Bridge, someone in the White House reached him with a message: Turn around. The vice president needs you.

Down in the bunker, according to a colleague with firsthand knowledge, Cheney and Addington began contemplating the founding question of the legal revolution to come: What extraordinary powers will the president need for his response?

[H2O Man]

32. When we consider

the COG plans that Cheney had been helping to prepare -- for decades -- the actual question that Cheney and Addington began contemplating was: "How do we institutionalize these extraordinary presidential powers and get rid of the Constitutional balance of federal powers?"

[Dhalgren]

18. I believe that everyone is missing the real point, here. Cheney is to Bush

what Scooter was to Cheney. Only what Bush needs Cheney to do is be the enforcer. I think that this article points up more that Cheney does Bush's dirty work, the true evil is Bush...

[H2O Man]

33. Respectfully disagree.

Dick Cheney has worked on COG plans for decades. He also has resented any significant congressional oversight on the executive branch since he was associated with the Nixon-Ford administrations. If we look at his decades of hard work that has focused on damaging the Constitutional balance of federal powers, we see it is in rather stark contrast to George W. Bush's behaviors in those same years. Bush was unaware of the identity of significant world leaders during the 2000 presidential campaign, and was likewise unfamiliar with the layout on a globe. There is no evidence that he had ever read the Constitution of the United States, much less viewed it in either positive or negative terms. Bush is the vehicle that the Cheney agenda has rode into being, as opposed to Cheney being the right-hand man who helped Bush inflict his long-standing global insanity on the world.

[Mr Rabble]

39. True story.

While I agree with your post entirely, I would just add this:

I think that Bush is just lazy. Not stupid, lazy.

I imagine that he is all too happy to "delegate" to Cheney exactly what Cheney asks to have added to his portfolio. In this case, Cheney "offers" massively expanded executive power. Bush happily agrees, and goes back to playing his gameboy. Once that has been done, I doubt Bush gives any of it a second thought.

Either way, it is becoming clear that Cheney has now been designated the fall guy for this junta. I don't know what exactly he did to piss off the powers that be, but it seems that his removal has been decided on.

[DemReadingDU]

49. Cheney's removal decided on?

Hm, I don't see Cheney quietly being removed. He has all the power, why would he give it up?

[Mr Rabble]

50. Look, he has clearly become a problem- for the elites.

There is a very good reason why the corporations are allowing stories of his flagrant violations of law to see the light of day.

He makes for a convenient scapegoat for the last seven years.

My guess is that his operation will be used as a "out" for him. His doctors will not certify him to return to work and he will resign.

The press will then move on from the story.

Sad but true.

[DemReadingDU]

52. I have been expecting Cheney to have massive coronary

Combined with the Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT), it is a wonder Cheney hasn't already resigned/removed.

[AndyTiedye]

61. From Falling on a Wooden Stake, Maybe

Where's Buffy when you need her?

[yardwork]

54. The coup - and the fascist regime that has followed - transcends individuals

This group won't give up power easily. Individuals will be willing to step down (taking their enormous profits with them, safely stashed in offshore bank accounts) to perpetuate the entire group's hold on power. It's nothing less than world domination. That sounds over the top, but it's true. By controlling the U.S. and the multinational corporations, they literally control the world.

Bush will be out of office in 2009, as will Cheney. Cheney could go a little earlier - anything that enables the replacements to take office and perpetuate control.

There was a coup when the Supreme Court put Bush in power.

[AntiFascist]

70. But what about George H. W. Bush who ties the secret government together...

From your own blog:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/H2O%20Man/161

Bamford writes: "Given overall responsibility for the secret government was Vice President George H. W. Bush, with Lt. Col. Oliver North, a key player in the Iran-contra scandal …. Among the key players in the shadow government were Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and James Woolsey." (page 72) This should provide some insight on Cheney’s outrage when congress investigated the Iran-contra scandals.

...

Bamford describes how on September 11, 2001, a decision was made to place the "shadow government" in control of the United States of America. Very few people were told about this at the time: "So secret was the decision that no one in Congress – and only Vice President Cheney and a very few within the executive branch – were notified of the establishment of an invisible shadow government."

This event is also detailed in Senator Robert Byrd’s "Losing America." The Elder Statesman, who loves the Constitution of the United States, wrote: "Only hours after the September 11 attacks, the administration installed a ‘shadow government’ of about a hundred executive branch officials …. White House chief of staff Andrew Card directs the shadow government from the White House, where he is immune from giving testimony to Congress (have we heard this before?). The shadow government is supposed to assume control of the government in case of a national emergency. Of course, this shadow government consists of one branch only, the executive branch.…. Congress has not sanctioned the shadow government, nor were members of Congress even made aware of its existence until the story was leaked in March 2002. This shadow government has been described as an ‘indefinite precaution,’ which can mean anything. While a few newspaper stories appeared in March 2002, very little new information has been reported since then. The shadow government is presumed to continue its operation outside of congressional oversight." (pages 78-79)

Chapter 4 in John Dean’s book is titled "Secret Government." On pages 101-105, he details "Cheney’s Shadow National Security Council." Dean quotes the New Republic’s saying that, "Cheney’s office came to be viewed as the administration’s neocons sanctuary." President Bush’s NSC staff referred to Cheney’s operation as "the shadow government," because it was "informally integrated (with) its own agenda as well as the power to realize it through the vice president’s clout. It is a secret government – beyond the reach of Congress, and everyone else as well."

[glitch]

47. They are both evil, and compliment each other. The perfect couple.

And I am sure both of them find the other expendable.

[AndyTiedye]

62. Bush Thinks He's On a Mission From God. Cheney Thinks he IS God.

Bush thinks he's on a mission from God.


Cheney thinks he IS God.

[Harry Monroe]

65. "A mission from God..."

I like that. So tell me, can the Cook County Assesors Office be expecting that check from Jake and Elwood Blues??!!

[Harry Monroe]

64. The real power behind the throne

Has always been Cheney.

"Tattaglia's a pimp. It was Barzini all along"

Don Vito Coreleone, "The Godfather"

(Bush is a pimp. It was Cheney all along!!)

[rodeodance]

22. Sunday, June 24, 2007; Page A01

[rodeodance]

23. "Series examines vice president's largely hidden and little-understood role in crafting policies on

errorism, the economy and the environment."

[Jackpine Radical]

36. "Errorism?"

Gads, that's perfect. We got a gang of errorists in the White House.

[kenny blankenship]

38. Describes * admin frighteningly well--they commit acts of international terrorism

as well as domestic, then claim it was all a big mistake and the result of faulty intelligence with no malice involved. Whoops. Shrugs all 'round. Can't hold them responsible: it's not terrorism, it's errorism.

[rodeodance]

24. Cheney steered some of the Bush administration’s most important environmental decisions —

oday: Part 1
Working in the Background

A master of bureaucracy and detail, Cheney exerts most of his influence out of public view.
Monday: Part 2
Wars and Interrogations

Convinced that the “war on terror” required “robust interrogations” of captured suspects, Dick Cheney pressed the Bush administration to carve out exceptions to the Geneva Conventions.

Tuesday: Part 3
Dominating Budget Decisions

Working behind the scenes, Dick Cheney has made himself the dominant voice on tax and spending policy, outmaneuvering rivals for the president’s ear.
Wednesday: Part 4
Environmental Policy

Dick Cheney steered some of the Bush administration’s most important environmental decisions — easing air pollution controls, opening public parks to snowmobiles and diverting river water from threatened salmon.

[L. Coyote]

25. "What the hell just happened?" Simple. Cheney is distracting from the White House Melt-Down

All this Cheney this and Cheney that is a big crock of propaganda, period. As the White House is receiving subpoenas, let's remember, the WH ordered the Iraq invasion, the illegal spying, the US firings, and the list goes on.......

It's the White House and Bush, S*****!!

[Peace Patriot]

27. They're circling the wagons around Bush. This is a coordinated leak exercise.

I think its object is to separate Bush from Rumsfeld and Cheney, and blame whatever bombshell or bombshells are coming on them, in order to preserve the dynasty, and of course the "military-industrial" milk train. And to protect the political establishment (and its Tweedle-Dee, Tweedle-Dum war parties) and the corporate ruling class from fallout or consequences.

Add it up...

On another thread today, there is an article averring that Laura and Barbara Bush have told Junior that Gitmo is bad for America's image. Total B.S. But consider the timing--as part of a coordinated series of leaks to protect Bush from something.

Leaks about a WH meeting to close Guantanamo Bay. Weird behavior of the WH around that meeting. (They canceled it cuz someone leaked that it was going to occur. Something smells.)

Powell: Torture/detention came by fiat from Cheney. True or 100% lie (Powell has already lied through his teeth for these people), consider the timing.

Recent disclosure of Cheney docs asserting that the VP's office is not part of the Executive Branch, and does not have to retain its papers for archives. Big brouhaha about it--in the war profiteering corporate news monopoly press.

Time frame of Cheney's assertion that his office is a 4th branch of government (unto himself)--2003--at which point he STOPPED keeping records: the year of the invasion and failure to find any WMDs (--and foiling of plot to plant them there, if that theory is true), the year of 'Plamegate,' the year of the "Gitmoization" of Abu Ghraib. Major items of potential Cheney crime (for instance, use of torture at Abu Ghraib, to hide his or Halliburton's crimes; wholesale roundup of innocents, amid Rumsfeld instigated looting and chaos, as cover for targeted torture and murder, say, of operatives in a WMD-planting plot; outing Plame-B/J to get people killed who knew about that plot, possibly including the murder of British WMD expert David Kelly the same week Plame was outed). (I'm trolling for the potential bombshell here. What are these leaks to protect Bush FOR?)

Recent blistering article by Seymour Hersh (a reliable and excellent source on top insider military and government matters) in which Gen. Taguba, who investigated Abu Ghraib, points to Rumsfeld as directing torture, states that he was prevented from investigating higher ups, and says he felt like the Pentagon had become the mafia. He felt threatened. And he calls Rumsfeld a liar.

Cheney aid Libby convicted and given a stiff sentence for lying and obstruction in 'Plamegate.' Prosecutor Fitzgerald, as recently as Libby's sentencing hearing, again points the finger at Cheney's VP office as center of the conspiracy.

Rumsfeld is gone, with no change of policy in Iraq.

Cheney's approval rating must be about 5% by now. (It was 18% about a year ago--half of Bush's.) (I mean, how could anybody be THAT unpopular?!)

Bombshell gonna drop on Cheney's head, and implicate Rumsfeld as well, soon. That's my feeling. It's all pointing to Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and secret prisons and rendition flights. Something more than we know. Could be 'Plamegate' or 'Plamegate'-connected, or maybe something to do with Bushite money trail to Al Qaeda. Both of these things could involve Cheney-Rumsfeld torture and murder to cover them up. Is that what all this torture, detention and secrecy were all about? I mean, who believes that Cheney-Rumsfeld were doing these things to "keep us safe"? Venal personal motives, aimed at coverup and personal enrichment, are much more likely than that these two ever gave a fuck about our "safety."

I have a theory, which I haven't yet posted, that there was an actual coup attempt, by Cheney-Rumsfeld, against Bush--to force Bush to resign (with threatened disclosures about him, that would bring impeachment), so that Cheney could ascend to the Presidency and protect himself and Rumsfeld from criminal prosecution, and proceed with total Nazification of our government and the attack on Iran. The seed of this coup attempt was a big fight between Libby and Rove--and thus, between Cheney and Bush (with Rumsfeld siding with Cheney)--on who would take the hit for outing Plame and B/J. I think the coup attempt, if it occurred, happened during (or started during) Katrina (--a point at which Bush looked totally stranded, and Daddy Bush and Bill Clinton came out and stood behind him, at a press conference, saying nothing, just standing there like sentinels or body guards; it was like they were saying, "This IS the president. We concur.")

In any case, we may be seeing the unfolding of a scheme by the Daddy Bush cabal, extremely happy generals and intelligence people, various unhappy insiders ("law and order" types like Patrick Fitgerald and James Comey), and some corporate and political elements (Bill and Hillary come to mind, and Republican honchos), in common cause to defeat a Cheney/Rumsfeld coup, and prop up our discredited government, by pressuring Cheney/Rumsfeld out, and letting Junior finish out the term, pretending that he is "the Decider."

These leaks we're seeing may be part of the strategy--dropping these bits into the newsstream that Bush was not responsible, it was all Cheney (or Rumsfeld). Prepping the public to accept that narrative.

Cheney and Rumsfeld have been very powerful and utterly ruthless men, who no doubt have many, many dirty operations to protect themselves with (with their ultimate dirty op being a move against Bush himself?). And they have been thick as thieves since their Reagan years. This may be why it's taken so long for the "adults" to get control of the situation. These are dangerous characters. They no doubt have dossiers on everybody in Washtington DC. But I think it is a serious distortion and wrong to let Bush get away with a tale that "it wasn't me."

There is certainly some truth to Bush being Cheney/Rumsfeld's stupid puppet, one whom they have manipulated and given delusions of grandeur (perhaps alternating with blackmail threats). But it is a lie to only blame them, and exempt him, and keep him in office. It is an artifice for the protection of moneyed interests.

Rove is also in the middle of this, sticking like glue to Bush, maybe even orchestrating a Bush whitewash (with Cheney and Rumsfeld as the villains). He has been viciously manipulating the political system, with less and less effect. The fired US attorneys felt emboldened to move against him. His fascist domestic political agenda is in shambles. He has his own legal problems, with the RNC emails, but he is aiming to land on his feet. He is in surviva mode. Is he our "acting president" (filling the vacuum that is Bush, and the decline of Cheney)? Could be. If so, our government is nowhere near out of serious trouble. A propped up Bush (people still telling him that he IS the president, separating him from his umbilical powermongers, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and creating yet another facade of rulership), with Rove still in place--and Cheney not yet gone--could lead to serious instability and crazy actions, while providing no foundation for the repair of any of the institutions that Cheney and Rumsfeld have destroyed. Impeachment should have been the remedy. Restoration of the rule of law. And justice.

[Peace Patriot]

28. Just read the WaPo article on what a bad dude Cheney is. Yup, this is an orchestrated

campaign to protect Bush from something coming down the railroad tracks.

See
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1171716

WaPo is a total unmitigated scumbag newspaper. Not to be trusted under any circumstances. Poor wittle Bushie with that bad Daddy.

[fooj]

30. I agree.

Little Lord Pissypants just hired on 22 lawyers. Something's up.

[yy4me]

45. Does that make the total of over 225 lawyers for ****?

Who the heck is paying for this mess? Yea, I should know, it's we, the people of the United States.

[Peace Patriot]

31. Bad typo above. Changes meaning. Should be "extremely UNhappy generals..."

My paragraph 14, in full, with correction (marked by ***):

"In any case, we may be seeing the unfolding of a scheme by the Daddy Bush cabal, extremely ***UNhappy*** generals and intelligence people, various unhappy insiders ("law and order" types like Patrick Fitgerald and James Comey), and some corporate and political elements (Bill and Hillary come to mind, and Republican honchos), in common cause to defeat a Cheney/Rumsfeld coup, and prop up our discredited government, by pressuring Cheney/Rumsfeld out, and letting Junior finish out the term, pretending that he is "the Decider."

My bad.

[H2O Man]

34. Interesting.

Do you think the up-coming release of CIA documents is part of an OVP/OSP plan to discredit the Agency?

[Jackpine Radical]

35. You weave a very interesting theory here.

I wonder if we will ever really know what went on behind the scenes here. I think there will be fodder for generations of PhD dissertations in poli sci & history in all this. As for me, I'm suiting up: :tinfoilhat:

[annabanana]

42. !*. . ..n/t

[conscious evolution]

56. Go read the journals of

IdesOfOctober and CorpGovActivist here on DU.
Cheney is definitely the target of a well coordinated plan.

It does not surprise me one bit that they are trying to protect bush.But I don't think they will be able to.

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. Cheney used our government to take his enemies out. I bet that's what he did.

Inconvenient people. That's who he flew out of Iraq and into those secret prisons and tortured. He and Rumsfeld had old scores to settle. And that's why the CIA is revealing old files from the 70s. Because they had a grudge to settle with Cheney for using their office to cook the information that put us into Iraq.

[Coexist]

40. everyone should read this entire thing - knr

[mcking]

43. Agreed. But how to keep from puking before paragraph 10?

n/t

[progressoid]

44. I had to read it in pieces - - my blood pressure would rise too high if I read it all at once.

[glitch]

46. Now we have a name for that cancer on the Presidency. It's Cheney. And it has metastisized. nt

[Gregorian]

48. "Go fuck yourself.", Inc.

George Washington- Go fuck yourself.
The Constitution- Go fuck yourself.
The American people- Go fuck yourself.
Freedom- Go fuck yourself.


That article is more than I expected. And what some of the brighter scholars on this forum have known all along. My gut told me President I'd-like-to-have-a-beer-with-him was nothing more than a sideshow.

[Vanje]

51. The entire cited article needs reading

Too bad its 6 years late

[orleans]

57. ANGLER? HIS SECRET SERVICE NAME IS ANGLER? kill me!

angler:
"2. a person who gets or tries to get something through scheming. "

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/angler

no surprise here.

[Stephanie]

67. you beat me to it!

It happens over again. Remember Operation Iraq Liberation aka O.I.L.

[Up2Late]

66. Some of us have know this for years. Here's some great Political Cartoons by David Horsey

Originally published on Sunday, April 11, 2004

<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1000>

Or...


Originally published on Friday, April 30, 2004

<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbyperson.asp?person=Cheney%20Dick&id=1010>

[Sabien]

68. the plan is working out quite nicely...

...get the people all worked up about how evil Dick is and then he is pushed out, resigns, or whatever.

Then King George 2nd can name a new VP - thus determing who will "win" the 2008 election.

[DemReadingDU]

69. Last year I thought McCain would replace Cheney

Now, I doubt the party would approve of McCain. Maybe Fred Thompson?

[proud patriot]

73. Part 2 has been posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1176496