Kucinich supporter does about-face: Anti-war activist will run for his seat

[oberliner]

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who is busy running for president largely on his anti-war stance, lost an ally Wednesday and gained an opponent.

Rosemary Palmer, an anti-war activist whose son died in the war in Iraq in 2005, announced her candidacy for Kucinich's 10th District seat. Because Palmer is a Democrat, she will face Kucinich in the March primary.

"We need a full-time congressman for this area whose interests lie in developing this district," Palmer said during a short news conference before addressing the war issue.

Palmer is opposed to the war in Iraq and wants the troops home. But she does not believe an immediate U.S. withdrawal is a realistic or productive goal. Kucinich has called for an unconditional withdrawal with an international peacekeeping presence.

Palmer on Wednesday called attention to their differences.

"Standing on principle doesn't mean standing in cement," she said.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/118241474036950.xml&coll=2

[More Than A Feeling]

1. Two cycles ago, Kucinich beat George Pulling 86%-14% in the Democratic primary.

Last cycle, Kucinich beat Barbara Ann Ferris 76.42%-23.58%. I don't think Rep. Kucinich has anything to be worried about. despite his falling numbers. He isn't even close to the under-60% danger zone.

[Greyhound]

2. I'd like to know who is backing her.

I suspect the local business community and/or DNC elements have had more than a little to do with this run.

[cyclezealot]

3. Happened last primary election.

That time it was a 'centerist' Democrat, put up by Downtown business interests. ( Particularily, as I understand it one restaunteur) . No one works for Cleveland more than Dennis Kucinich. A headline grabber she is. Also, last time Rove did some backhanded support for Kucinich's primary opponent. Rove being scared sh!tless of Kucinich as a subcommittee chair at government oversight. Still, we need get behind Dennis. I am sure she will find some backhanded support through the Republicans and the "Plain Dealer. "

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. What specifically did Rove do to support Kucinich's primary opponent?

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. What specifically did Rove do to support Kucinich's primary opponent?

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

39. What specifically did Rove do to support Kucinich's primary opponent?

:shrug:

[Kingofalldems]

40. My goodness, 3 replies about poor defenseless Rove

You must be a big fan of his. You seem very concerned.

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. I was just hoping that someone could answer my question.

Can you? Or was cyclezealot's assertion just a BS attack on Kucinich's 2006 primary opponent? I am no fan of Rove, and accusing a Democratic candidate of being supported by him is a serious charge.

[WCGreen]

4. She is a gadfly....

Not important...

What could be important is that several rising political figures have been making noise about running against DK in the primary...

Namely Parma Mayor Dean DePiero and Cleveland City Council man, Martin Sweeney...

They wouldn't need help from the outside to attempt a run at DK...

Both can run from cover; their elections are odd years, and they both have large warchests on their own...

[paulk]

5. she's got a point

Kucinich's number one job is representing his district, not running quixotic Presidential campaigns every four years.

[cyclezealot]

6. as if he's alone on that score.

Quixotic. Call it what you will. I call it sticking to principal instead of shifting policies based on who one's donors are. In pursueing his present issues , he is very much fighting for Cleveland's urban agenda needs. I very much doubt he is neglecting Cleveland. I am sure his opponents are oportunistic shills for god knows what interest group.

[paulk]

7. who else is running that currently holds office and ran in the last

election?

Not only ran, but continued to run long after it became apparent he couldn't win.... therefore indicating another run was a waste of time and effort, I would think.

it's really going to be up to his constituents to decide if he is representing his district. He promised not to run again if elected last time - broke that promise pretty quick... we'll see if it comes back to bite him.

[cyclezealot]

8. its not the first time in US history.

Biden has been officially/unofficially running for years. Stevenson ran for president several times. It is not a waste of time. We his supporters are in part the reason he is running. He is the only one with a credible position Iraq and healthcare. If not for Kucinich, I doubt this family would even care enough to listen to the debates. its the others who are the has beens and canned speeches given approval by their corporate masters.

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[WCGreen]

22. But Cleveland is not even half of his district....

He was elected to represent dozens of suburban areas that are some of the most afluent enclaves in Ohio...

[IndianaGreen]

9. Tell that to fucking Hillary, her job is to represent New York not chase after the White House

Hollow argument, isn't it? This sounds more like someone that wants to keep the war going, because she can't bear the thought of an immediate withdrawal. We have been talking about troops withdrawals since 2003. When will it be good enough for these people for our troops to come home? When they are dead?

[cyclezealot]

10. With Hillary we've had just 7 years of political spin

in her quest for the White HOuse. Not a serious moment, otherwise. With Kucinich, he's been serious every moment he has been in Washington.

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[dionysus]

24. you know you're desperate when the plain truth pains you so....

LOL

[SaveElmer]

14. More brilliance from Indiana...

As you well know Kucinich promised he was not going to run this time, and then promptly turned around and ran anyway. He has no chance as even hid most ardent admirers admit. Therefore, in a vain attempt to garner publicity for himself he continually runs Stassen-like for an office he cannot win, while not attending to his duties in his current job.

Hillary on the other hand, has an excellent chance at winning and made no such promise...and unlike Kucinich, is an accomplished legislator...

[karynnj]

16. Why do you think that she is an "accomplished legislator" and

Kuchinich isn't? I don't think Hillary has a long list of bills she wrote and sponsored that passed.

[SaveElmer]

17. In fact she does...

Just go under the radar...

[dionysus]

25. bwa!

she votes for a bill after sticking her finger in the wind and you act like she wrote it.

[karynnj]

26. Even hiding her legislation from Thomas, the Senate Record???

[SaveElmer]

29. Then you apparently are not searching correctly...

Try again...

[karynnj]

37. There are many bills she co-sponsored

with many many others - what I don't find is many pieces of legislation where she is the SPONSOR that have had action taken on them leading to a passed bill.

[blm]

33. Goes under the media radar, alright, to undermine other Democrats. And sometimes

it is done on LARRY KING LIVE in the guise of 'statesmanship' eh?

So far, there has been no refutation of the points made by these journalists:

This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004:



http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354



Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."
_______


June 1994 - Clinton defends Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/


Clinton defends successor's push for war
Says Bush 'couldn't responsibly ignore' chance Iraq had WMDs


(CNN) -- Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

Noting that Bush had to be "reeling" in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001, Clinton said Bush's first priority was to keep al Qaeda and other terrorist networks from obtaining "chemical and biological weapons or small amounts of fissile material."

"That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for," Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998.

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http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward




Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg |

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.
On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
>>>>>>>>





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg





Wonder why?



http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[IndianaGreen]

34. "I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq."

(CNN) -- Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq...

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq..."

Clinton said Bush's first priority was to keep al Qaeda and other terrorist networks from obtaining "chemical and biological weapons or small amounts of fissile (sic) material."

Two for the price of one Clintons! Big Dog bombed and starved Iraq for eight years. In the CNN piece you excerpted, we see Clinton repeating the Dick Cheney lie that Iraq was in cahoots with Al-Qaeda, and we also see the Clintons open disdain for progressives.

Like I said, "two for the price of one" Clintons should not be returned to the White House.

[blm]

35. Those articles make it plain the 2004 election was undermined DELIBERATELY.

And some people think they should be rewarded?

[IndianaGreen]

36. It is also clear that Carville, a Clinton supporter, did not want Kerry to challenge Ohio results

We now know that Ohio was stolen, so why did Carville alert Cheney, through his wife, that Kerry was going to challenge Ohio? Well, Duh! Had Kerry won, Hillary would have remained stuck in New York for another 8 years. No way!

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[zulchzulu]

20. I've met several New Yorkers who feel duped by their support of Clinton

Here in Madison at a weekly Obama table, I have had several New Yorkers visiting here that have talked about how Senator Clinton used them with their support to use the office to basically run for President, even though she had said several times that she would not run.

It happened this past weekend...

[SaveElmer]

30. Well that's it then...

I guess the 60% reelection figure last year was just a charade!!!

Funny an Obama supporter would try and pin that on Hillary...Obama couldn't even sit still long enough to finish out one term...hell half of one term...before deciding to move on...despite his assurances to the contrary...

[zulchzulu]

38. I guess you forget he also has 8 years as State Senator as well

This misguided misinformation that Obama has "only served in the Senate for a couple years" is pig dung. He has a lot more experience than either Clinton or Edwards. First Ladies don't have the power to legislate.

[paulk]

27. "Fucking" Hillary has a chance to be elected, Kucinich does not

which is the point, although is hard to tell what the point of your post is.

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[nickinSTL]

11. has Kucinich not been fulfilling his commitments in the House?

has he missed any major votes?

Unless the answer is yes, she does not have a point.

[Major Hogwash]

12. Everyone should be challenged, it's healthy for our Republic.

That way someone can't pull a fade and just expect to get re-elected.

Consider the unusual case of Joe Lieberman, the 3-term Senator from Connecticut, who lost his primary because he was no longer representing the people who put him into office.

[nickinSTL]

18. that's true enough...

and Kucinich has been challenged before.

I doubt this challenge will prove any more successful.

[ISUGRADIA]

19. I'm not a DK fan but in 2003-4 and this year he has not let

his House work suffer as some other candidates have:

TOTAL VOTES MISSED and %
Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)
10 2.7
Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.)
48 12.8
Ron Paul (R-Texas)
55 14.7
Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.)
93 24.9

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/05/kucinich_present_and_accounted_1.html

And challenging him for being too slow on ending the war just seems kooky.

[AtomicKitten]

28. democracy in action

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