In 2004, were you pro-Kerry or just anti-Bush?

[rhombus]

The reason I'm asking is because a lot of folks were very strong Howard Dean backers right until the Iowa caucuses when the media tagged him as a loser. But on the whole, I think nationally, there was more grassroots support for Dean than the converse anti-Bush supporters for John Kerry.

Thoughts?

[NewJeffCT]

1. I liked most of the Dem candidates

but, I did not love any of them.

[Olney Blue]

2. Both.

[Jackpine Radical]

8. Yeah, both.

I was a Deaniac from the beginning, but if Howard couldn't carry the banner I was OK with Kerry. I'm a vet with a long antiwar history & was thoroughly appalled by Iran-Contra, so Kerry had a lot of the right punches in his ticket as far as I was concerned.

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

126. Also both...

Was 1000% ready to dump the BushCo regime, supported and liked Dean a lot, but was happy to get behind Kerry as the nominee. :)

[liberal N proud]

3. Pro Democrat - But very anti bu$h at the same time

[Skip Intro]

4. I liked Dean, but when it didn't happen it didn't happen.

I gravitated to Kerry mainly because he seemed, here's that word that I hate but, electable. I would have voted for anyone to get bush out, but I actually grew to like Kerry. It was more of a pro-Kerry/anti-bush vote.

[Totally Committed]

5. Anti-Bush

I did not see our ticket as one I could be "for", heart and soul. No new news there. But I did vote against Bush, like a good little Democratic do-bee.

TC

[AtomicKitten]

61. ditto

[globalvillage]

6. Pro Kerry

and anti-Bush.

Still am.

[BobRossi]

7. Anti shrub

Never thought Kerry was the right candidate. I was for Dean all the way. I won't vote for a party favorite again if it isn't my personal favorite.

[zulchzulu]

9. Pro Kerry from early 2003

He won...

[fedupinBushcountry]

10. Pro Kerry

I was always anti-Bush and always for Kerry way before Iowa.

[muntrv]

11. Anti-Bush.

[emilyg]

83. Ditto

[Middle finga]

12. I was so Anti Bush

I would have voted for Fidel Castro if he was running against Bush at the time.

[illinoisprogressive]

13. I think I was more anti Bush. Kerry did not strike a cord with me and I was not

thrilled with his personality or that people were not crazy about him. This is our problem. we always nominate people like kerry. someone you don't get real pro candidate for but, is your only choice and so you vote. but, it's not with any great joy. and you know your party is going to lose again because many won't go out of their way and no one will jump to the democrats to vote for him. We are kinda stupid in picking nominees, aren't we.

[WildEyedLiberal]

85. Speak for yourself... plenty of us were pro-Kerry.

[blm]

120. Anti-corruption, open government Democrats were THRILLED with Kerry. You can't name

one lawmaker in DC who has uncovered more significant government corruption and effected this nation's REAL HISTORY more positively the last 35 years than Kerry.

[PresidentObama]

144. So you don't like Kerry because he didn't use one liners or empty rhetoric to gain your attention?

Ah, I see. It's all about the glitz and glamour of how much charisma you have. I forgot running for President is less about the issues, and more about who can win American Idol: Presidential Edition. I'm sorry, I thought running for President WAS about the issues. Which in that case, Kerry was the right candidate in 2004!!

I was proudly pro-Kerry :)

[BlackHawk706867]

14. Anti Bush here.... I just didn't see it in Kerry... Just as now I don't see..

it in Clinton..... I hope to see a candidate from out there as the final candidate... ie: Kuchinich, Gravelle... (Wish-full thinking I know)

ww

[Old and In the Way]

25. Riiiight......your so interested in those 2 that you can't spell their names.

At least you got Hillary's last name right!

[BlackHawk706867]

27. Never was much at spelling... (being old and all) ...

Did you want to know what else I suffer from, or is it ok that I can't spell?

ww

[Old and In the Way]

29. I'm old too.

But I can spell the names of the candidates that interest me.

[BlackHawk706867]

31. Well goodie on you... (Not one of my many talents) Hey, but give me a...

computer and I will take it apart and put it back together for you in full working order... "Sorry I can't spell" "Please forgive me for that disfunction" Even though I only have a High school graduation, I don't remember a time that spelling ever came easy to me...

ww

[Old and In the Way]

32. No problem. Just wanted to point this out in case you get in the voting

booth and can't find the names of your favorites, Gravelle and Kuchinich. :rofl:

[BlackHawk706867]

36. Hahaha... Yep that might be a problem... eom. ww

[On the Road]

15. Kerry Grew on Me

when Gore didn't run, I wanted Howard to get the nomination.

[SharonRB]

33. Me, too

I voted for Clark in the primary, but once we knew Kerry was going to be the candidate, he really grew on me and I liked him a lot. It helped that I went to see him speak two or three times -- I really thought he was the real deal and still do.

Of course, I was also anti-Bush.

[Mass]

16. Both. but I am not sure how rehashing this is useful these days. \nt

[jaysunb]

17. anti bush

Dean, was the man...Kerry, an after thought.

[Dawgs]

18. Pro-Kerry

He is a Democrat you know? He was, and still is, a good Democrat.

It wasn't necessarily the media's fault that people gravitated away from Dean and towards Kerry. Many of us liked him. I think many Dean supporters still are looking for someone to blame.

[Old and In the Way]

19. Pro-Kerry by choice. Anti-Bush by necessity.

[LittleClarkie]

20. About now I was merely a semi-clueless sheeple

who wasn't even much thinking about the campaign. A bit later on, I developed a loose connection to Clark, based on pretty superficial reasons that the General didn't deserve. I was not one of his better informed supporters.

A bit later after that, I got fired up as I slowly de-sheepled myself, found out about Gitmo and such. I was definitely ABB before I became pro-Kerry. But with my research into who, by then, was our nominee, it didn't take me too long to go from "Kerry - ick" to "hey, he's not bad" to downright loving the big lug.

[wildhorses]

21. anti-bush

but, kerry did nothing for me either.

[MrSlayer]

22. Anti-Bush.

I thought Kerry would have been far superior to Bush but I would have much rather have had a different candidate. I was way more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry.

[az chela]

23. 1000 percent for Kerry!!!!!!!!

I wanted him and Edwards to win more than I have ever wanted anything.I did a lot of campaigning for them and went into shock when bush stole the election

[sojourner]

24. I liked both Dean and Edwards. Leaned more toward Dean because of his

attention to the grass roots (net roots). But when Kerry was selected in the primary, I put all I had into helping elect him because I was completely anti Bush. Kerry did finally "grow on me" and I was discouraged when they did it again.

And though I'm not a Hillary or an Obama supporter, I will do the same this time -- although my prayer is that Gore throws his hat in the ring.

[El Supremo]

26. I was for Kerry before I was against him.

If I had had all the intelligence that I do now, I would never had voted for him in the primary.

:sarcasm: and a pun

[MH1]

28. Pro-Kerry

Of course I was anti-Bush too!!

But in the spirit I think your question is asked, I was very pro-Kerry. I watched the primary debates, read up a little on the candidates, and decided Kerry was the one I liked best.

I had been wooed by the media infatuation with Dean for awhile, but after actually seriously considering the candidates, I was for Kerry ALL.THE.WAY.

Why the hell do you ask, anyway? What's the point of continuing to pick at this?

[scarletwoman]

30. Strictly anti-bush. I had no enthusiasm for Kerry, but I did my duty & voted for him. (nt)

[BlackHawk706867]

34. That would be my bottom line as well... Whom ever the Democratic front runner is...

would get my vote...

ww

[scarletwoman]

49. Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if I can stand to do it again.

I've been faithfully voting for Democrats since 1972, but I think I'm going to draw the line if Hillary is the nominee. If she's the candidate, then we're not even in "lesser evil" territory anymore. We're just in the same damn evil with a different face, and I'm just too fed up with our corrupt political process to want to participate anymore.

sw

[BlackHawk706867]

50. I almost agree with you, but the question then becomes... What is the...

alternative? Don't have the answer to that one for sure!

ww

[scarletwoman]

57. The alternative is building a movement from the ground up -- the politicians aren't going to change

anything. Elections will never get at the root of the systemic corruption of our political institutions, which are designed to be self-sustaining and to preserve the status quo.

[BlackHawk706867]

60. You know what, I am so with you on that... But and the but is how does one

do this... Now here's an idea for ya.... Don't know if this would work, but I have been thinking about it for some time..... Here we go.... Each and every State in the Union does a Succession (spelling) and reformats itself into a new Union (The North American Democratic Union) that excludes both Republicans and GWB and Administration... Lot's of work involved, but might be worth a try to get away from the Fascist Govt. that we are currently facing..... Just a thought...

ww

[scarletwoman]

70. Just to be clear; do you mean "secession"? As in "secede" from the Union?

In any case, I'm thinking on a much smaller scale than that: community level activism and organizing. Nothing's going to change on the macro level until enough individual consciousnesses change on the micro level.

You just start right where you are. Set up a community gardening project, a youth theater, a riverbank cleanup -- start with something local that raises peoples' consciousness. Look for and take full advantage of any "teachable moments" that show up as you go about your life. Anything that engages and empowers people on an individual level helps immmunize them against the bullshit that the Ruling Class keeps raining down on us all.

The single most important thing we can do for the future of our country and the world is to wake people up.

sw

[BlackHawk706867]

73. Well now you see the reason for my spelling problem! if i was to post "secede" .. I would be..

certainly called on this... So if I misspell... Well... Yep, that is the bottom line indeed..

ww

[Bucky]

94. I'm gonna make a conditional prediction I hope will never come true.

If Clinton gets the nomination (which I hope to God she doesn't) I think in the end you'll pinch your nose and pull the lever. I don't know you personally, obviously, but I suspect most DUers who say they won't vote for her as the nominee are going to be open to persuasion if she's nominated.

Mrs Clinton may not convince you to vote for her, but Fox News will. The hysterics and psychotic conspiracy theories and the "a post-menopausal woman isn't biologically capable of running a country" bullshit you'll hear from all the usual suspects will serve to remind us exactly what the phrase "lesser of two evils" means.

I think the Righties want Clinton nominated not because they own her, but becase they're best armed to smear the hell out of her once she's cleared the delegate count. And yes, they will wait exactly that long.

Personally I'd vote for just about any candidate besides Mike Gravel over Mrs Clinton. But the day she's nominated, she's my girl and I'll fight like hell to put her in the White House. She'll lose, of course, but I won't let that discourage me.

[RadiDem]

141. My feelings as well

[election_2004]

35. Pro-Kerry

Kerry and Dean were the ones who I found myself agreeing with the most, during the primaries.

The only one in the field whom I wouldn't have voted for in a GE was Lieberman.

[Phredicles]

37. Kerry would have been a better president than he was a presidential nominee;

the poor man just ran a dreadful campaign. I think he was robbed - and therefore we ALL were - but I have to think a candidate able to do an adequate job of spitting out a half-compelling message could have built a theft-proof majority.

[fedupinBushcountry]

41. You know

Give me a break with that rhetoric. He got 59 million + votes, no thanks to the horrible job done by the media. To bad you only watched MSM, you missed a great candidate.

[Phredicles]

42. How the hell do YOU know what I watched, o clairvoyant one?

If he was such a damn great candidate he sure went out of his way to hide the snot out of it.

[sandnsea]

118. You think he won the election

by being a dreadful candidate.

Do you know how stupid you sound saying that?

[TheDonkey]

125. he made mistakes yes

A lot could have been done better but he also did a lot right (ie. win ALL the debates) but the swiftboat disaster, too positive DNC, and picking Edwards as VP hurt him.

[bunny planet]

38. Pro Kerry but

decidedly anti-Bush, so I guess both.

[Captain Hilts]

39. Anti-Bush. I was not that excited about Kerry. nt

[Redneck Socialist]

40. Mainly anti-bush

though I came to like Kerry more as the campaign progressed. I loved his acceptance speech at the convention. (shrug) Good man, bad campaign.

On Edit: typo

[politicasista]

44. And bad party support n/t

[nevergiveup]

43. I was pro-Bradley

in 2000, pro-Dean in 2004 and now I am pro-Obama. My support in a primary is the kiss of death and I feel a little sad for Obama since he has been stricken with my support. I learned to like Kerry even though his initial support of the war irked me to no end. My anti-Bush feelings can not be put into words.

[election_2004]

91. Me too!

Loved Bill Bradley...wish he had been the one to take on Chimpy.

I've always had a tendency of rejecting the Corporate Media's chosen darling in every Democratic primary.

In 2000, I was anti-Al Gore. He didn't get my vote in the GE as the nominee.
In 2004, I was anti-Joe Lieberman. He wouldn't have gotten my vote in the GE if he'd been the nominee.
Presently, I am anti-Hillary Clinton. She won't get my vote in the GE if she's the nominee.

[rosesaylavee]

45. Pro-Kerry from the moment he announced.

And who isn't anti-bush? :7

[Bjornsdotter]

46. I loved Dean

...and hated Kerry. I voted for Dean in the Illinois primary even though Kerry already had the nomination sewn up.

I voted for Kerry, but hated every minute of it. I looked at it as a vote for Edwards.

I agree the grassroots support was much higher for Dean....the media blew him out of the race.

Cheers

[ananda]

47. anti-Bush

I voted for Kerry but held my nose.

[Frustratedlady]

48. Anti-Bush and Cheney

The thought of either of them in the WH scared the beejeebers out of me.

Didn't take long to see I was right on.

[beyurslf]

51. Pro Democrat. Same as 2006. Same as 2008. Same as always.

[wisteria]

52. Pro Kerry all the way. Dean wasn't even a consideration .

Senator Kerry was the most qualified and electable to become president. He still is as far as I am concerned.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

53. Oh puleeeeze, Kerry ran a pathetic campaign.

Met Howard at Zoe Lofgren's house. He should have been president! He should BE president.

[politicasista]

54. Both. Pro-progressive Dem n/t

[emulatorloo]

55. Kerry would have made a great President, and he continues to be a great Senator.

And Howard Dean continues to be a great Dem.

[pansypoo53219]

56. anti-bush

i did not want lurch. he was playing is safe. or purist. i knew we needed somebody to inspire. not senatorial.
did Dukakis teach us nothing???

[Mass]

62. Whoa! I guess that in WI, RW rethorics and Limbaugh work well!

Lurch? This is definitively not progressive talking. As for Dukakis, he was certainly not senatorial, may be governatorial. As for too safe or too purist, you have to decide. The two do not go well together.

I guess you are one of these purists who do not think MA has a role to play in this country.

[Alexander]

68. You don't need to be RW to think Kerry "played it safe".

Because he did, on the Iraq War and on the Ohio vote count.

I love Kerry. I've met him. He is a really nice guy, and a great Senator.

But if he had stood up and fought, on one of those two matters, he would be president today. He didn't.

[Mass]

71. The poster cannot decide between safe and purist.

In addition, the Lurch comment comes directly from the RW crowd.

You are able to express your position without bashing Kerry, as where most of the posters in this thread, whether I agree with them or not. Apparently, the poster I answered to is not.

[NV Whino]

58. Anti Bush

and anti Kerry... but I gritted my teeth and voted for him.

[David__77]

59. Very anti-Bush, mildly pro-Kerry.

I thought he was a lot better than some in the Democratic field.

[Bryan]

63. Definitely pro-Kerry

I sent Kerry-Edwards as much money as I could spare, but it goes back further than that. I was really leaning towards Gore in late 2002, when he had raised his public profile and seemed to be teetering on the edge of running again (which is part of why I think the Gore partisans around here might not want to put all their eggs in that basket, but I digress), but by mid-2003 I was leaning Kerry, because he seemed like the best compromise: a solid Establishment figure with military and foreign-policy credentials who was more center-left than the Big Dog and who, bluntly, looked and sounded the part.

I sent money to Dean later that year, because his anti-war rhetoric was comforting and his insistence that "the Democratic wing of the Democratic party" had the answers was inspiring, and I wanted him to get as far as he could on a national level so he'd stay in the spotlight. I always came back to Kerry, though; I was very disappointed by his IWR vote, but I still thought he was the guy with the full bag of clubs.

[PassingFair]

64. Anti-Bush

I was VERY PRO-DEAN.

But I worked MY ASS OFF for Kerry in the election.

I'm still NOT OVER IT!

[OHdem10]

65. Pr o Kerry but now think Dean is the greatest.

[Alexander]

66. Anti-Bush.

I was initially a Deaniac. I voted for him in the Arizona primary even though I knew all was lost by that point.

While I wasn't initially impressed with Kerry, I grew to like him more and more until he conceded Ohio the morning after election day. That got me about as pissed off as I was over the IWR vote.

Kerry's post-election work has caused me to be more pro-Kerry. I guess I'd say he's a great Senator but not the greatest presidential candidate.

I was willing, however, to vote for any of the Democratic candidates over Bush.

[SusanaMontana41]

67. Great question!

Started out anti-Bush, became pro-Kerry.

[Mz Pip]

69. Kerry left me cold

but after he got the nomination I supported him and donated to his campaign. I would have supported my cat over BushCo in 2004.

I found Kerry's inability to deal with his detractors really annoying.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[jwirr]

72. Pro-Kerry. I sent money to him early on.

[Skittles]

74. I was more anti-Bush

I never ever thought Kerry was the best candidate and was furious that he was a done deal before voting even headed my way

[ClassWarfare2008]

75. Thought it was a huge mistake to push Kerry as the nominee

...but I voted for him anyway. It's a mistake I won't make again.

[Bucky]

93. I had big reservations about his ability to close the deal. After Clark dropped out...

I wavered between Kerry and Edwards, finally leaning toward Edwards just in time to be too late. but never got a good vibe from either of them.

When the time came to vote, however, I voted for Kerry, not just against Bush. When the next time rolls around, I will definitely "make the same mistake again." Whoever the Democrats nominate will be tons better than whoever the Republicans nominate. Any other choice will generate more deaths, more terror, more unemployment, more pollution, more underemployment, more debt, and more global warming. My waterbucket may not be perfect, but I won't bitch about it while the house burns down. To not vote Democratic in 2008 is a moral crime.

[Vektor]

76. DEFINITELY Pro-Kerry!

Though the right wing pushed the "anti-Bush" meme a lot to try to undermine Kerry, since they didn't have a real leg to stand on as far as who was the better man. Since they couldn't convince anyone to like Bush for ANY reason, they tried to besmirch Kerry by insinuating his own supporters didn't actually support him, but just wanted to pick on poor Dumbya by voting for someone else.

Which was a cheap, transparent tactic, like everything in their shoddy, mudslinging arsenal.

Just curious - why bring this up now - it's nearly time for the 2008 elections.

[postulater]

77. With our winner take all system

I rarely find any candidate whose views reflect mine, so I usually vote against the person who I would least like to win.

If there was instant runoff elections, the winner would represent a greater majority since a wider range of views would be represented.

[JI7]

78. very much Pro Kerry, loved him then and still do

had been pro Kerry since the Primary Days .

[last_texas_dem]

79. Pro-Kerry

I wasn't sure (and am still not sure) if he was the strongest candidate we could have run, but I've always liked him and was proud to campaign for him in '04.

[napi21]

80. Definately anti Shrub! n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

81. Pro Kerry all the way

I love that guy. (And anti-**, too, of course).

[saltpoint]

82. I liked and respected our field of 04 choices. Hated Bush with

every cell of my body and loved Kerry more than I hated Bush.

Kucinich was inspiring in his dedication and Edwards struck nerves in people's brains in Iowa.

We had a strong field then. We have strong field now.

And we're gonna whip the Republicans senseless. No, wait. They're already pretty senseless as it is.

[ProgressiveAmPatriot]

84. Anti-Bush, Kerry was the literal bottom of my list n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

87. The lifelong liberal Kerry below neocon Lieberman? Boy do you have poor judgment. n/t

[ProgressiveAmPatriot]

89. Oh, I blanked that he was even in the pack, I take that back

Ironic, considering a lot of people have been mentioning that he had the lead at this point in the primaries. Alright, so I didn't even count Lieberman and I put Kerry at the bottom of list after having erased Lieberman from existence. I was thoroughly unimpressed with candidate Kerry. Since returning to the Senate I have been proud to say that he has grown a spine and is now one of my favorite Senators.

[WildEyedLiberal]

90. He would've been a terrific president.

I'm glad you can at least recognize everything he's done since his return to the Senate. Though it's interesting that a lot of it is based on his 2004 platform, so obviously he was doing something right.

[karynnj]

123. He didn't have a spine when:

- He stood against Nixon on Vietnam. He then withstood the efforts of the President of the US to destroy a 27 yr old hero.

- He stood against Reagan - both saying the foreign policy supporting the Contras was wrong and that bringing cocaine into the country to arm them was wrong.

- He stood against President Bush I and most of the Democratic power elite to stop a Pakistani bank with ties to terrorism and global crime from sinking tentacles into our banking system. Even Jimmy Carter and Jackie Onassis asked him to stop.

This is the man you say only "grew a spine" after losing? Kerry was hurt by lack of support from a complicit media and the corporate part of the party.

Can you explain why you preferred Edwards? - who was as conservative DLC as you could get in 2004 - he voted for the bankrupcy bill in 2001! Can you give one example that comes close to matching any of these 3 for Kerry.

[WildEyedLiberal]

86. I voted FOR John Kerry... not against Bush.

There is not one candidate in the 2008 field who compares to him. I can't muster any enthusiasm this time around.

[Prophet 451]

88. Anti-Bush

At least, up until the debates. Kerry really impressed me in teh debates.

[assclown_bush]

92. Anti-bUsh...Kerry was nice enough but I wanted him to fight harder...

and by the time he did, it was just too little too late. I still think he would have made a good president, certainly when compared to the coward from crawford.

[PBass]

95. I liked Kerry, I didn't love him, and it really irritated the hell out of me,

when Kerry didn't push back against the Swift Boaters, and when he didn't contest the election results.

I also thought Bush was the worst president in modern history, during the 2004 race.

[MasterDarkNinja]

96. Very anti-Bush, neutral on Kerry.

[CreekDog]

97. Both

Kerry wasn't the most "sale-able" candidate, but he was very progressive and had a terrific record on the issues. And he was a war hero to boot who sacrificed for his country then came home and fought to end that war.

[IndianaGreen]

98. ABB

This year I am ABC (Anybody But Clinton).

[Marrah_G]

99. Pro-Kerry

and still Pro-Kerry. I wish he had fought harder in Ohio, but something in my gut says there was more to it then we knew.

Regardless, I love my Senator and would campaign for him again.

[LWolf]

100. Anti-bush. n/t

[ddeclue]

101. YES - why choose?

I liked Kerry early on and became an early backer after watching him talking one on one with voters in Nashua on C-SPAN one day - he did something unusual for a politician - he actually listened.

I disliked Bush because he never listened.

So I say - why choose?

[paulk]

102. pro kerry

I think you're wrong

[Proud Liberal Dem]

103. Pro-Kerry

I didn't really have a "favorite" candidate back in 2003-2004 but I thought that Kerry ended up being a good choice for the nomination in 2004 and was severely crestfallen not only because of the fact that he "lost" to Bush even after all of the BAD things that had happened to us under Bush since 2000 but how ugly the campaign ended up being against Kerry and how Bush/Cheney so thoroughly politicized 9/11 and "terrorism" to their advantage. It makes my blood boil when I think about the "Swift Boat Veterans" episode, the purple band aids worn by people at the GOP convention, ostensibly to "mock" Kerry (who is braver than all of the "chickenhawks" there put together), the constant adjusting/re-adjusting of the color coded "threat level" for flimsy (and almost certainly political) reasons, and, most importantly, the manipulation of/by the media so as to prevent the release of information unfavorable to Bush/Cheney that didn't end up getting released until AFTER the election. Sure, Kerry could've been a little more aggressive in fighting the mudslinging and the Democratic Convention speakers probably should've been a little more "hard-hitting" against Bush (Democrats NEEDED to be at least a little "angry") but, on the whole, I felt that John Kerry is a very thoughtful, intelligent, considerate person who would've made an excellent President. It is very unfortunate that it appears as though Kerry (and Gore?) will not make another run for the Presidency and that (Presidential) elections in general are so often decided on trivial or superficial characteristic and appeals rather than on the substance of the issues and the intelligence of the candidates.

[nickinSTL]

104. pro-Kerry.

He was my choice in the primary.

Of course, I was anti-Bush as well, and would have voted for whoever got the nom for the Dems, but I was happy with Kerry.

[blm]

105. Excited by the first REAL anti-Bush, anti-corruption, open government Dem nominee - JOHN KERRY.

No way did I want the coverups for BushInc to continue.

Why any Democrat wants the Bushes protected is beyond me. So, imo, they must not be principled Democrats.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Old and In the Way]

107. I knew I'd see you on this thread at some point, blm.

:hi: Hopefully, whatever candidate gets selected, they'll get more election support from Dean's DNC than Terry McCauliffe gave Kerry's campaign.

[blm]

108. Ironic that those Dems who undermined both Kerry and Dean the most

may be the ones to benefit the most from Kerry and Dean's vigilance and persistence in opposing BushInc the last 5 years while they would not risk their necks or 'dry powder' they were saving to use against other Democrats.

[sakabatou]

106. I was anti-Bush

since I was too young to vote :/ But I did help out by getting people to register.

[malikstein]

109. I held my nose and voted for Kerry.

That's the last time I'm going to do that. If the Democrats can't field a pro-labor, pro-health care anti-imperialist candidate, fuck 'em. In 1964, I supported Johnson to end the Vietnam War against Goldwater who wanted to nuke 'em. Next thing I knew Johnson had sold me down the river and I was headed for Canada to dodge the draft. The only thing good that a Democrat has done for me is when Jimmy Carter gave me amnesty.

[beachmom]

129. Kerry just called Bush an imperial president. He was all that you wanted.

We would be out of Iraq by now, had he won.

[malikstein]

132. No, we wouldn't.

Kerry's complaint with Bush during the 2004 election was that Bush was mishandling the occupation and that he could do a better job. Establishment policy is to occupy the Middle East for imperial strategic reasons - control of oil and launching pad for a takeover of Eurasia. On this latter aspect, see Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard", which is the How-to for US world domination.

You will notice that the current Democratic front runners (i.e. Establishment-approved) are saying that the US occupation of Iraq will continue for a long time and that the military needs to be further strengthened. To fight what enemy? No army in the world can stand up to the US at this point.

[Larkspur]

110. I was Anybody but Bush but I refused to donate time or money to Kerry's campaign

And since he still had $12 million left over after the 2004 campaign, I'm glad I held onto my limited funds.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

111. Both, but more pro-Kerry than anti-Bush.

I really really liked Kerry and grew to love him.

[elizm]

112. Anti-Bush n/t

[polichick]

113. I was a Dean supporter who got behind Kerry in the GE

imo Dean was the ultimate grassroots candidate and Kerry a DC insider, but I believe Kerry would have made a first-rate president. I admire his dedication to the country (including his military service), his intelligence, and many other things about him.

[Adelante]

114. Once he won the nomination

I was all for John Kerry even as I was anti-Bush. But I stayed a grassroots supporter, and still am, of Wes Clark's.

[flpoljunkie]

115. Pro Kerry, from the beginning.

[sandnsea]

116. Kerry is STILL the best choice

And this country is STILL stuck on stupid for not realizing it.

[BlueIris]

117. Pro-Kerry, all the way.

:patriot:

[yardwork]

119. I was pro-Dean and very anti-Bush. I was angry with the media for what they did.

When Kerry got the nod, I was ok with that, but I quickly became frustrated with the way he ran his campaign.

I'm convinced that Kerry won in '04 and I was and am still disappointed that he didn't fight the theft.

[sampsonblk]

121. Anti-Bush

Kerry wasn't even on my radar. Still isn't.

[karynnj]

122. Very pro Kerry and pro Dean - not interested in the others

(if there were no Kerry or Dean) I would have looked at Clark.

[TheDonkey]

124. Pro Kerry. He would have made a great President

makes me very sad to think what sort of progress the country would be in if he were in the WH.

[SergeyDovlatov]

127. Anti-Bush and anti-war.

[beachmom]

128. I was anti-Bush since 2000. Then I was pro-whoever-runs-against-Bush.

I didn't support anyone during the primaries, but thought Kerry seemed the strongest candidate of the bunch. When Kerry got the nod, I read up on him, and became an enthusiastic Kerry supporter. Now I'm a lifetime Kerry supporter, so I would say he did something right in '04, and continues to do so to this day.

[Zavulon]

130. I was just anti-Bush.

I don't particularly like Kerry, and he was close to the bottom of my list of Democrats I wanted to get the nomination in 2004. I've met John Kerry, and he struck me as an elitist jerk who has nothing in common with everyday people. He still got my vote, but I had to hold my nose when casting it.

[bunnies]

131. anti-bush in the GE, pro-Dean in the primary. n/t

[lojasmo]

133. Anti both, but I plugged it and voted for Sen. Kerry. EOM

[bamacrat]

134. Mainly anti-Bush, I liked Kucinich..

As well as Dean, but...

[Hawaii Hiker]

135. Well, I was a big Dean guy

But I was also still more pro-Kerry than anti-Bush...But now, I'm anti-Republican, PERIOD....

[Milo_Bloom]

136. Anti-Kerry, Anti-Bush

I voted for Kerry and I still feel dirty for doing it. I took Michael Moore's pledge to never again vote for someone who enabled this war and Kerry was the one time exception to that rule. I will never make that mistake again.

[kenichol]

137. Pro-Kerry...ever since he spoke for Vietnam Vets Against War

Everything I knew about Kerry when he spoke to the US Senate after the Winter Soldiers met in DC and everything I've learned about since (especially hearing those who served with him on the same swiftboat but also his 'report cards' by childrens and womens groups)have earned him my respect and affection. I love Kerry.

[Vidar]

138. Anti-Bush.

[MaineDem]

139. I was very much pro-Kerry

There was a lot of Dean support both grassroots and in the media. Most before the Iowa caucuses.

[hedgehog]

140. I was very pro the 1971 model Kerry, not so much the 2004 Kerry.

When I found out that he wasn't Irish, that bothered me. As far as I could tell, the man had allowed people to believe a lie about him for 30 some years because it was to his advantage. The man who dared ask the question " How do you ask a man to be the last one to die?" seems to be so careful today as to be useless. As an example of how he has changed over the years, when I googled Kerry and Cape Wind, I couldn't come up with a clear answer as to where he stands unless it's "I intend to put off expressing an firm opinion for or against the project as long as I can". IMO, he may be a fair senator, but he's not Presidential material. Put me in the anti-bush column.

[since72]

143. Dean,Dean,Dean

I have a long history of supporting principled candidates who get beaten down by the conventional wisdom, starting with George McGovern in 72. Howard Dean energized me like no other candidate has. My wife and I poured a year of our lives into his campaign with absolutely no regrets to this day. That said, we were out on the streets on election day 2004 knocking on doors for Kerry. Dean, yes. Bush never, Kerry, if thats our only choice.

[mnhtnbb]

142. Deaniac here. I did everything--house parties, donations, letter writing,

gathered signatures to put him on primary ballot in NC... you name it I did it
for Howard Dean.

I voted for Kerry. Period. Anti-Bush vote.

[smtpgirl]

145. Pro Kerry and proud of it

[PresidentObama]

146. Pro-Kerry in 2004 and in 2008. n/t

[Radical Activist]

147. anti-bush

I thought Kerry was a better and more liberal nominee than Dean. But still, I never met so many people involved in a campaign that didn't really care for the candidate.

[against all enemies]

148. More anti bush than pro kerry. Probably like most of us.

[slick8790]

149. To be honest,

Somewhere in between. Closer to anti-bush, Kerry just didn't impress me as much as some of the other people.

[JerseygirlCT]

150. Pro-Kerry from the start. nt

[mitchum]

151. Hell, I've been pro-Kerry for 15 years and would have vastly preferred him...

over what was offered to us then

[Hollow Shells]

152. I thought Kerry sucked

but Bush sucks harder. I went with lesser of two evils.

[PresidentObama]

154. Hmmmmm....Kerry sucked.....how educated.....n/t

[Forkboy]

153. I liked Kerry (and still do) but didn't think he was a very good pick for us.

It was an case of the "Anyone But Bush" mentality biting us on the ass.