The TRUTH that ONLY Edwards can beat the GOP is ALIVE AND WELL

[ddeclue]

Read Rassmussen.

Hillary loses to some GOP candidates.

Only Edwards wins against all GOP candidates INCLUDING Fred Thompson.
Edwars beats Giuliani to 4% this month which widens his previous lead.

Hillary loses to Giuliani by 1%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election

[obnoxiousdrunk]

1. That's if he

gets the nomination.

[ddeclue]

2. and that's why we need to work to make sure he does...n/t

[rinsd]

3. Chuckle

I like Rasmussen espcially because he updates nearly every week though it seems he has not updated his head to head matchup page

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_in_tight_race_with_both_thompson_and_giuliani

Hillary is down 1 pt to Rudy and Obama is within the MOE.

They both beat every other GOP contender.

"Edwards beats Giuliani to 4% this month which widens his previous lead."

And his previous lead before that previous lead was 6 pts. So he is basically behind where he was 2 surveys ago.

And again according to RCP averages of the last 4 polls both Obama and Clinton beat Rudy and all other GOPers.

[ddeclue]

6. Hillary still LOSES MOE or not...

Edwards WINS..

You FAIL...

Doug D.

[rinsd]

10. Edwards wins what? He's at 13%

You don't get to play the game where some poll numbers can move yet others are set in stone.

[jcrew2001]

34. r u the owner hillaryis44.com ?

someone here has the logo - i dont remeber who it was

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. Rasmussen has never been considered a credible source around here.

But you know what, DU has never been shy about selectively criticizing either specific polls or the media, so keep right on going.

[ddeclue]

5. That's your opinion. I consider it to be very reliable.

[rinsd]

7. I am fine with Rasmussen

And what Rasmussen shows is Edwards with a lead jsut outside the MOE with Hillary and Obama down but within the MOE, therefore it is still a myth that only Edwards can win vs. GOP.

[ddeclue]

8. Nope it's not a myth - its a fact.

When Hillary or Obama get ABOVE and OUTSIDE the MOE then come see me... until then you're just wrong.

Doug D.

[rinsd]

9. Right now in Rasmussen it is a fact that Hillary is down 1 pt and Obama is down 3 pts.

It also a fact that right nowon Rasmussen that John Edwards manages a pathetic 13% of Democrats.

So why we are even bothering discussing his head to head numbers?

After all according to your logic those numbers are set in stone.

On edit:

It is also a fact in the last 5 polls taken with Hillary vs. Rudy, that Hillary is winning outside the MOE on 2 of them, leading by 1 pts in the other 2 and losing by 1 pt in Rasmussen.

It is also a fact that in the last 5 polls taken with Obama vs Rudy, that Obama is winning outside the MOE on 2 of them, winning 1 by a 1 pt and losing the other 2 within the MOE.

It is also a fact that 3 polls of that last 5 polls for the Dem primary show a guy not even in the race beating your guy and the other 32 pols which did not include Gore didn't show Edwards breaking 15%.

[jsamuel]

11. because he is winning Iowa

Kerry was 4th nationally, but won Iowa and won the nom.

[SaveElmer]

12. Richardson is gonna overtake Edwards...

Before Iowa...

[jsamuel]

13. HA! Thanks for that scientific rebuttal.

[SaveElmer]

17. No less scientific than what has gone before...however...

Looks like Richardson is going to outraise Edwards this quarter, and his momentum in the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire has been impressive...contrasted with the stagnant Edwards campaign...

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[rinsd]

14. He is trending down is IA and he has been living there for 2 years.

If he doesn't win IA, his campaign is done while both Obama and Clinton would still be fine going into NH.

[GreenArrow]

19. "he has been living there for 2 years"

He's been living there since 2001.

[NCarolinawoman]

28. Yes, he started living in Iowa approximately two years after he was elected

to represent the good people of North Carolina. :(

After the 2004 general election, he was quoted as saying that he "liked campaigning more that he liked being a Senator"...........(I believe him)

[Zensea]

15. If you are so clear on future facts could you tell me which stocks to buy?

and stop your little pissing match? Both of you.
It's frigging JUNE of 2007.

I'm actually an Edwards supporter, but this stuff with polls and hypotheticals at this stage of the game is stupidity.

[SaveElmer]

18. Then why are you here...

On a political website, and on a board devoted to politics...

If you don't like it, there are plenty of other discussion areas...

I always find it amusing people come to a political website, and then complain when political news is posted...

[Zensea]

40. That's the best you've got?

I'm not complaining about political news being posted, I'm critiquing the pissing match, the way the news is being discussed.
As to why I'm here it's because I check back in now and again to see if anything has improved in this place.
I'm usually disappointed but I haven't given up completely.

[Awsi Dooger]

25. Speaking of credible sources

There is plenty of ignorant crap on DU regarding Edwards that should be flushed. I'm not referring to anyone specifically but the themes are prevalent and laughable:

* Edwards would not have won his senate seat in 2004

That's absurd. The opponent, Burr, was not particularly strong and Edwards would have had supreme advantage of incumbency and financing. Burr was trailing a retread loser Erskine Bowles in polling for most of the cycle and only defeated him by several points. Edwards' approval ratings on election day in the North Carolina exit poll were very good, which would have equated to victory. Remember, if he focuses on the senate seat from the outset those approval ratings would undoubtedly been higher. Situational analysis is not exactly a strength on DU. And don't give me the nonsense that this senate seat is the so-called cursed seat that changes hands every cycle. That is based on a handful of samples and irrelevant.

* Edwards did not help Kerry win North Carolina

This is even more idiotic. That state tilts roughly 12 points GOP in presidential terms. A VP is not going to shift the Earth to that extent especially if the top of the ticket is someone who hardly fits the voting preference of the state. Edwards was worth the standard 3-3.5 points in his home state, based on the partisan index shift (state voting margin compared to national margin) from 2000 to 2004.

I don't mind legit knocks on Edwards but those two are asinine and frankly I reject everything subsequent from a poster who makes the claims.

[Pastiche423]

36. Did you live in N.C. when johnnyboy was a senator (sic)?

Did you talk to his constituents about him, ya know, the VOTERS? Did you write email after email, letter after letter to him and get ZERO response?

He sucked at playing a senator. He would not have been re-elected. He did nothing for North Carolinians, but flash his pearly whites. He saw it as a stepping stone to the presidency.

Fortunately, that stepping stone will be pulled from under his feet. And when that happens, I will smile.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

37. Well, I've never believed the first point.

The second point you make is somewhat valid, but Edwards really didn't help out with ANYTHING. He was a poor choice as VP nominee. Kerry should've chosen someone like Gephardt, someone that could've helped win states in the midwest. Gephardt could have pulled in Missouri, which was surprisingly close without him, and he probably could've turned Iowa and Ohio in our corner as well. Being a poor VP choice was not his fault, of course, but that he didn't add anything to the ticket once he was there certainly doesn't play well with me either.

I don't hate Edwards, but I'm not a supporter either. I don't like the potshots he took at Kerry after the election, and I damn sure don't like the hypocrisy of his wife, saying Kerry can't relate to the average voter because he's rich while the only thing she does is shop at Target from time to time, between the times she shops at gourmet grocery stores (which I base upon seeing her regularly inside them while they were in DC with my own two eyes). I'll certainly support him in the GE if he's the candidate, but he's got some wooing to do if he's going to win my primary vote. For the record, the only person who would have my vote right now is Gore, and he's not yet running.

[politicalhumor]

16. The Things to Remember About Conventional Wisdom

The thing to remember about convention wisdom is that it is almost invariably wrong. Today's can't-lose candidate usually turns out to be tomorrow's surefire loser.

[AtomicKitten]

20. there is no truth in predictions

just guessing + wishful thinking with the emphasis on the latter

[smiley_glad_hands]

21. Kick for JE. eom

[waiting for hope]

22. I'm kicking and rec'ing too...

:)

[Anser]

23. C'mon people!

There is FAR too much at stake here!


We HAVE TO pick the Middle age - White - Anglo saxon - Rich - Southern - Protestant - Male!

Nevermind that the election is still well over a year away, he's WINNING (somehow even though under current polls there would be no reason why he'd face off against republicans since he's not ahead as far as nomination)

/end sarcasm

Personally I think you can take this amazing "message" that you are so happy about being out, and shove it.

Funny thing is, I really like Edwards, he's one of the most populist candidates we have, he stands for some great things.

The great things that he stands for is the message you should be trying to get out, not these meaningless poll numbers.
Oh and don't tell me my above little satire doesn't play into those numbers. Woohoo, conservatives like Edwards better than the other Democrats running. (A conclusion Im drawing from the fact that he is not in the lead among other Democrats, only in national polls against repubs) I wonder why? I KNOW its not because he has the most conservative stances on the issues. Fill in the blank.

[waiting for hope]

24. Here are a few messages for

you to give your once over:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3266580

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3326973

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3337851

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=36141&mesg_id=36141

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3339164

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3334630

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3331507

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3332603

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3329246

I am most happy to give my support to a positive Edwards thread and I am more than willing to share:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/waiting%20for%20hope

[Catchawave]

31. Nice compilation WFH ....

Thanks so much. We probably should start putting these in the JE forum, so his supporters have a place to hang out without fear :evilgrin:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

26. Obama gets creamed by Ghouliani in this poll by 12 points!

Combine this with SurveyUSA polls showing him losing California, New York, and even Massachusetts to Ghouliani and you can see why Obama supporters have not been making the electability argument against HRC lately...

[rinsd]

27. That number from Rasmussen is a month old.

He hasn;t updated his comparison page.

The latest has Obama down only 3.

[Catchawave]

29. Sweet MyDD diary:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/26/13470/8957

"Why is John Edwards the most electable?"

[rinsd]

30. So when does Jerome start officially working for the Edwards campaign?

"Also, Edwards has again opened up the process as we move to the end of the 2Q, showing that he has surpassed his 1Q total of 40,000 contributors, now at 48,000 for Q2; though the $6.75M raised to date is about half of what Edwards raised in the 1Q, he's got more small donors and it looks like the average contribution size in 2Q for Edwards will be less than $150. No word yet on Obama, Clinton or Richardson's numbers."

So basically Edwards worked twice as hard for half the money with his small change program.

[slick8790]

32. Polls are pretty meaningless at this stage of the game.

Talk to me in the fall and winter.


That said, go John!

[DIKB]

33. I think not my good friend.

If Al Gore tosses his hat in the ring, he could easily smoke them ALL.

As my friend says though, "If 'IFs' were fifths, we'd all be drunk."

[Enrique]

38. overstate much?

:rofl:

[LiberalEsto]

39. And that's why they fear Edwards

The rethugs are doing their damnedest to trash Edwards -- the $400 haircut bullshit, the Annthrax Coulter attacks, and so much more. It's because they recognize that Edwards is the most serious threat to their continued control of the White House. Edwards not only appeals to progressives, but also to some moderate rethugs.

I'm praying for Gore to run, but if he doesn't, I'm all for Edwards.