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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:33 PM
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Wow... Elizabeth Edwards phones in to Ann Coulter on Hardball
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 05:07 PM by MonkeyFunk
that was some great television. Coulter came across as just pure cold-hearted bitch.

edit: Repeat coming up at 7:00pm eastern.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:34 PM
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1. Details?
No TV where I am!!!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:35 PM
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5. She called in
to ask Ann Coulter to stop using personal attacks. That they debase the argument, and poison our politics. Ann wouldn't listen to a word, and just kept right on attacking.

Edwards was classy, Ann was pure bitch.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Irony alert
"bitch"?

You're complaining that the "bitch" is poisoning politics? why not make the same attack WITHOUT using a gender slur?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. You'll find
I almost never use that word here. In fact, today might be the first time I've used it. I think the meaning of the word is well-understood, and it applies here in spades.

But if you prefer, I'll call her an asshole, too.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1189491&mesg_id=1189491

The meaning of that word IS well-understood - as a gender slur historically (and currently) used to keep women in their place if they get out of line. It's used to demean women as women. It's the history of oppression attached to it that makes it so strong, and it's why the women here even who claim it's no big deal to use it suddenly feel different when it's used against them. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6642708

Coulter (aka that asshole) is out of line - always - but that is unrelated to her gender.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. and your objection
is noted. I will give it all the attention it deserves.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. When you are deciding how much attention it deserves
please keep in mind that her post does not represent and isolated opinion. Bitch is like the N word, used to demean one person in a way that demeans an entire group of people.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. I did not use the word carelessly....
it was very well-considered. I meant what I said, and I said what I meant.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #38
122. What whole group does it demean...a batch?
You're just a little world saver today, aren't you?
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #38
129. I am a woman and it doesn't demean me. Not as much as ridiculous
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 09:36 AM by renie408
hyper-sensitive overreactions to a word do.

Here's an idea...why don't we all just grow up?? Just like Ann Coulter acting like a bitch does not demean all women, calling her a bitch doesn't demean all women. And lastly...aren't there enough REAL things in the world to worry about?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #129
132. As a woman and a dog lover...
I've seen many bitches in action. The word fits here, and it's not a gender slur, as this piece of garbage is genderless, as well as soulless.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #33
120. Monkey Funk, this may shock you, but you are now my hero
honestly :)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:08 PM
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37. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. LOL!!!!
:rofl:
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TheLeftyMom Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. I was thinking the same thing...
I NEVER use the C word, but then, it's so appropriate when it comes to Coulter.

*thinks* actually, about the only label, gender-specific or otherwise, that anyone could give me as a woman that would offend me is -- Republican. Now THEM's fighting words.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #37
48. I , too, am woman (hear me roar). Ann Coulter is a TWUNT.
:rofl:
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Ex Lion Tamer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #48
81. She's a bunt!
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #48
117. ROTFL!
:rofl:

Thank you for that addition to my vocabulary!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #37
49. There ya go china cat, you speak for me! n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. there ya go!
that's the word i'd use.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #59
98. How about ....
C
U
Next
Tuesday ??????

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. LOL
:thumbsup:

God, you're such a bitch!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #99
112. Oh I know .....
:loveya:
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #37
61. Y'all are making the assumption she is a woman
I mean, she does have an adam's apple and all.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. .
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #61
100. So funny!
:rofl:

And Bitch is the word! Sorry, when it comes to Mann Coulter, I don't care how unPC I am!

Never against DUers! But when it comes to Annthrax, all bets are off!

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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #100
121. Just out of curiousity...
Since 'bitch' is a gender specific slur...
then what about when a male is referred to as a prick, dick, tool, schmuck, putz, or a son-of-a-bitch? :shrug:

Are they not gender-specific terms as well?

Don't flame me, just askin'....
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #37
67. I'm a woman also - Ann Coulter is a bitch, and a media whore as well with no concern
for facts she prefers simple lies and venom.

As for her being a cunt however - I'm not entirely convinced that mAnn Coulter has the goods, so to speak....

:evilgrin:
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. Just to call it even
you can call me a "bastard" all you want.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
47. Bastard doesn't have nearly the connotations that Bitch does.
There is no insult for (white) men that has nearly the connotations of impact of any slur used against a minority group. Bitch is the equivilent of Fag or Gimp or many other slurs. Bastard is not.
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. Is it okay for me to just think she's a bitch?
eom
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Think whatever you want.
It's language that has an impact. Your thoughts are your own.
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Thank you
Okay then, I think Ann Coulter is a bitch.
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Ex Lion Tamer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #63
82. LOL!!!!
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #63
86. ha!
n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #63
123. LMAO!!!
well done :)
And although it is like shooting indignant fish in a barrel...
again, well done :)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #54
107. THOUGHTCRIME!!! THOUGHTCRIME!!! n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #47
124. Not even motherfucker or babyrapist?
Thom, why don't you go find some (white) men and test out that assertion of yours
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
130. Huh?? Rationalize much?? n/t
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:16 PM
Original message
That's not the same, sorry.
When men carry the same history of oppression and violence as women do because of their gender, and when bastard refers to the actions of the man himself, rather than the sexual habits of *surprise* a woman, then we can call it equivalent.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:39 PM
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65. Men can also be battered. It's probably even more of a stigma for them,
because of the expectation that they should be physically the stronger sex.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
70. OH DEAR GOD WHAT ABOUT THE MEN
Sometimes white men are victims of violence. This does not make them an oppressed class.

Please do not compare the history of oppression against white men, a privileged class, with the history of oppression against women and people of color, as if those are equivalent things. It's insulting.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. Ann Coulter
is more privileged than I could ever hope to be.

She's not oppressed.


Oh, and she's a bitch.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. I'm not thinking of them as "classes" I'm thinking of the individual human being.
I understand that there's power in numbers, and it's very tempting to root for your disenfranchised group of choice (God knows there's many of them in America), but, I think it's okay to remember that when someone is getting beaten, it doesn't matter if they're female, male, Muslim, child, adult...I think it's okay to feel compassion without fear of diminishing anyone else who's being battered too.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #74
90. Looking at each case as an individual one
is very handy if your purpose is to avoid looking at a system, or if you have a political reason to pretend racism or sexism doesn't exist.

The GOP used this quite well during Abu Ghraib - it was "a few bad apples" - not a system of oppressor and oppressed.

If I'm talking about racism, and you want to interrupt to point out that a white male just got mugged, what does that do? It reads like an attempt to shut down discussion of racism by acting like it doesn't exist. I can have compassion for the guy that just got mugged - but guess what, racism is still a real thing that needs to be addressed.

Words exist in a personal AND a cultural context. Using the n word, or the fag word, or the b word at an individual is a personal insult, yes, but that doesn't erase the political and historical meanings of those words in our society.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #90
97. This is MY personal mantra.
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 06:43 PM by The Backlash Cometh
I pick my fights carefully. I know I'll be taken more seriously if I don't make every issue a reason to jump into the debate. And the key is, to be taken seriously. Because, without it, you lose the one thing that's most important if your aim is to persuade: you lose your audience. No one is going to listen.

In the case of the word, "bitch," I feel it's a losing battle because it does have an acceptable definition: "a female dog" so it has slipped into common language. Too many people are NOT offended by it, unlike the "n" word. And more importantly, women may be underrepresented in some fields, but not in others. For example, in most colleges, the student body is 50% female or more. So they're not as oppressed as you make them out to be. In fact, they are beginning to show signs of being just as mean-spirited once they reach the upper-echelons of corporations, as any man. So, some may be recognizing that milestone by properly referring to them as "bitch," now that they're in a position of power. Just like Ann Coulter is.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #97
105. And now that half the college students are women
those women can use their college degrees to make as much as a typical guy that has a high school education and no college. And if they go on and get a graduate degree, they can make as much as men who have an undergraduate degree. Big sigh of relief now that we're equal, then. :eyes:

Why not just admit that sexism DOES exist, that a disgusting percentage of women are the victims of sexual assault, that they are living in poverty in disproportionate numbers, that they are discriminated against in hiring, partly because of bigoted stereotypes, and after admitting that, pledge not to contribute to it, and speak out against it when you see it?

Wouldn't that be more productive, and more in line with social justice work, than defending the right to use gendered slurs? How does that help women?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #105
109. You're certainly entitled to fight whatever battle you like.
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 08:29 PM by The Backlash Cometh
But on this case, I disagree with you, and we are entitled to disagree. I never said that sexism does not exist, I never said that a disgusting percentage of women are not the victims of sexual assault; I never said that they are not living in poverty...and so on down the line of your strawman statements.

I just absolutely do not agree that showing complete intolerance to a word that is now mainstreamed and doesn't mean to others what it apparently means to you, is going to open more doors for you, than close them.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. It's obviously not just me.
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 08:48 PM by lwfern
Women have left DU because it feels like a hostile environment to them, because of the nonstop use of language like that, and including that. I wasn't involved in the bitter debate over the use of that word on DU, but there is a lot of anger over that word still being acceptable here as a slur. It's not really a debatable thing at this point that some women (not all, but some) are strongly offended by it.

Knowing that its use has driven other women off the forum, knowing that there are women (not just me) that object strongly to it, why defend it? That's the reality - the continual slurs against women have created an environment here where some women are no longer participating. In an office environment, if this language was used despite continual requests to stop, the women who were driven away would likely have a winnable lawsuit. Now this isn't an office, it's a private forum, so that's not a concern, obviously. But if you think about using that language in an office, it should be pretty clear that it's offensive language.

If you don't care about that, about women leaving because of the gendered slurs and disrespect shown toward women here, then I can understand you opting not to spend your time discussing it. We all prioritize things differently. But why go out of your way to either use it or post to defend its use?
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. Don't you love it when other people decide whether you should be offended by something?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. I don't think it's valid for you to question why I'd go out of my way to use or defend a word
you find offensive. Why should you decide for me where I should post, and when I should post? I sense from you a terrible, terrible need to control people's behavior. It appears that you can't win this argument because I won't agree with you, so you're going to try the next best thing and neutralize my voice by asking why I would want to jump into this discussion in the first place. If you can't convince me to accept your point of view, you're instead going to try to make me disappear. That's a very odd tactic.

I, on the other hand, welcome you to fight your fight, but that also means that you need to respect my opinion as well. And perhaps people who aren't able to be flexible now and then, should find a more moderated forum than one which tries to handle such a huge tent of opinions, like those found on a Democratic forum. We certainly agree that there are many fronts which need to be fought on women's rights issue, but to try to tack on every affront, every insult, every assault made to women on the word, "bitch," just is going a little over the edge, in my humble opinion. It's too broad a term for you to find success.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #105
118. I'm female, have a doctorate, no job, no health insurance.
It could be sexism and just generalized evil capitalist greed and failure to mentor younger people, due to the rampant soul destroying competition in our society.

And just because you're a white, educated male doesn't mean you have a job, or insurance, or any form of security, either. They destroyed the middle class.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #118
131. no no no! you're doing it wrong!
pick a side!

it's us vs. them!

ooooh isn't it exciting? let's further divide ourselves! i bet that'll help LOTS!

:eyes:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #70
77. What's insulting is putting someone's personal oppresion above another's
Because of their gender/race... get real. An oppressed person is an oppressed person. Also, you have to let the word "bitch" evolve.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #77
94. Exactly............n/t
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:19 PM
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88. You have it rather wrong, it refers to the sexual
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 06:20 PM by POAS
activity of a couple not a person. As a bastard myself who was personnally attacked with that word from a young age I must take exception to your characterization. Until you have been personally atacked as a young boy as I was you have no right to feel I am less entitled to feel hurt than you are.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
66. Ann Coulter is a fucking bitch...
I respect all women. But a bitch is a bitch anyway you look at it!

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #27
75. Asshole is also a gender related term
Please refrain from using it, as it offends me.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
102. Ann Coulter IS a bitch
Pure evil BITCH!
My Oxford English dictionary informs me that the word BITCH means: a female dog, the slang definition of the word is a 'spiteful woman'.
Knock the crap off about the word demeaning women. Ann Coulter is a spiteful bitch. I question if 'the bitch' is even a woman.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
106. oh come on
if i call someone a "punk ass bitch", has nothing to do with genderism, at least to me.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
115. Thats all the Conservatives got...denigrate and name calling..all neg
all the time...

Nothying Positive about Ann is thare?

Its all Neg neg neg....never solving any thing..only WHINING / Moaning / groaning....

Holy Moley, My time is up
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
62. I don't have a problem with it, and I'm female.
Because if I can't use "bitch" to describe a woman who thinks she can control everything and everyone, it means I can't used "dick" to refer to Dick Cheney.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. Good lord .... the town scold again.
The OP makes sense and the word is perfectly fine in context .... to *most* people.

I don't find one bit of irony in the OP and I find scoldiness in your reply. You're WAY off topic. If you don't like the word, start an OP about it and see how much response you get.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
41. Good lord ...
The great defender of gender slurs again.

Don't you have some more noble battle to fight than your right to use derogatory slurs? You know the slurs are offensive, and yet you get all bent out of shape when somebody points that out. I have a right to be offended by sexist language, and I have a right to say so. Each and every time.

And it shouldn't be a surprise. The DU rules warn that if the word is used, one can expect that someone might point out that it is offensive.

"we no longer automatically remove the word "bitch." However, we strongly urge members to voluntarily avoid using the word if they wish to keep their own discussions from going off-topic, and we reserve the right to take disciplinary action if we think someone is deliberately using the word in an effort to disrupt or cause trouble."
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. I accept your apology
without reservation. :hi:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. Sometimes you post really awesome stuff.
And then there are times...
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #50
96. Wow!!! You got an apology? oh wait.........
Sorry, I had my sarcasm detector turned down.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. I agree with the OP - Coulter is a BITCH BITCH BITCH
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 05:03 PM by RamboLiberal
And every other vile word in the English language and any other language. I really get pissed at you DU scolds. Go get PC in another thread!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:09 PM
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39. Yep
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #20
43. You deserve one response that agrees with you.
It's a loaded word that only applies to women. If someone calls me a fag they're not just smearing me. They're perpetuating stereotypes and prejudices. I don't see this as any different.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. Thanks, Thomcat.
Wish we had a few thousand of you here.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #57
127. I'm sure that you do
and good luck with that

Anyway...Coulter is one stupid bitch
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #43
103. Um. It doesn't just apply to women. Check it out on an internet search.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. Even when it's used to refer to men,
it's referring to them as women, or womanlike.

If you're referring to the classic definition of a bitch, unless you're a dog breader it's not a common usage, and of course it's not derogotary in that context. But honestly, it's used much more often to refer to women.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:34 PM
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2. Was this just on TWEETY?
Time for the tivo...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:35 PM
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3. Aww c'mon!
You gotta tell us more than that!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. sorry
I gave a more complete telling upthread.

I'm sure it will be talked about for quite awhile.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. thanks!
:)
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:35 PM
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4. Elizabeth asked Coulter to stop the personal attacks
Coulter said NO, then went on to further attack John Edwards. It was disgusting.
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glaeken777 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:35 PM
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6. good for her but..
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 04:37 PM by glaeken777
I do have to agree with one of the questions posed... why isn't John actively joining in this?

Looking at it from a less emotional angle, why bother? Ann is off her nut, and rolling around in the mud with a pig gets you muddy while making the pig happy.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Why didnt she just tell Elizabeth she wishes
she would die of breast cancer why she had her on the phone?
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:38 PM
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9. Because she doesn't merit a reply from a candidate. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. I think it carries more weight coming from Elizabeth
If John did it, it would be seen as him whining. Elizabeth called as a wife and a mother - that carries some moral authority.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #6
16. Because Ann made fun of their son's death, and Elizabeth doesn't need John to take Ann on.
You missed the points Elizabeth said, apparently.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #6
26. Because a gentleman doesn't attack a woman.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:02 PM
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29. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
28. He should say something,
But I would not want him directly talking to her. Ugh.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #6
42. Because Coulter was using their dead son
as an attack point and I don't know of any mother that wouldn't jump in on something like that.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
10. with Coulter........
she always says its a joke. Wishing someone dead is far from a joke in anyway she tries to spin it.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
13. Typical Coulter, rude and vile. She called John Edwards
a scheister(sp?) lawyer who in court, ripped off the plaintiff's and accepted $50,000 fees for speaking to anti-poverty groups. I am embarrassed that she is a US citizen.
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glaeken777 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. worse was the quip she muttered under her breath
"I know Ann and I don't run in the same circles..."
"Yeah, I don't have the money for yours."
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
95. Classic conservatism: it's all about money and me
Greed and selfishness.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:39 PM
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14. Wow is right. Stunning. Mentions Ann's flippant use of the Edwards' deceased son.
For the first time ever, Ann looked surprised when Tweety told him Elizabeth Edwards was on the phone. She was obviously upset about Ann's call for her husband's death this morning, but this seemed to be triggered more by Ann's "criticism" of the Edwards' son death three years ago (Ann said John Edwards used his death as a bumper sticker). Ann is all about death, that's coming through clearly. Elizabeth politely asked Ann to quit making individual attacks. Ann of course made fun of her, supported by the worst group of young people it has been my misfortune to see. This is the future? Anyway, this was breathtaking stuff. Ann is all about death; that's what this interview is about. She looks it, too.

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glaeken777 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. lets not paint the youth too broadly...
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 04:42 PM by glaeken777
The pug-faced gal over Ann's left shoulder is a Freeper and looked down during the Edwards exchange.

The majority of the crowd cheered Elizabeth, and it would have gotten even more embarrassing for her if it hadn't been for Tweety changing the topic to Hillary.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:42 PM
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17. I didn't hear it but I am livid
they are going to get a piece of my mind for allowing that piece of shit to say those things

join me?

hardball@msnbc.com

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
56. I'm in.....I'll watch the repeat at 7
But I'm so angry just reading about it. Have already nominated her for Olbermann's worst person in the world for her John's death by terrorism comment.

I may send this thread along as well...join me :D

KOlbermann@msnbc.com
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
64. the video is up in the Video forum
I saw Edwards speak in person last night. This makes me so angry...why the hell does Coulter get any airtime at all, let alone a whole frickin' hour?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
84. I'm watching it now.....groan. Hey Beav...
Was that the Brentwood event ? Let me know if you do an Event Report, can't wait to hear about it, fuglies and all :D
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:25 PM
Original message
Yes, it was the Brentwood event. I guess I should do a report
I will post it in the Edwards forum.

:hi:

I only have pics from far away. I didn't get to meet him. Huskerlaw will have a better pic to post later I think!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
101. Thanks, looking forward to it !
Far away photos? Sounds like a good turnout :hi:
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #17
69. Yes. Joined. I'm so sick of this shit!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:07 PM
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83. I joined you! nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
19. A bigger fireplace is now installed in Coulter's condo in Hell
Too bad she doesn't fatten up so more of her sorry ass can burn in Hell when she does the World a favor and takes a dirt nap...



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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:48 PM
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21. I was going to skip Tweety at 7, but not now. Good for Elizabeth!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:51 PM
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23. Coulter is as evil as Cheney...
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 04:51 PM by polichick
And both of them are proud of it!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:08 PM
Original message
Actually they are symbiotic twins, partially conjoined but they can be seperated for short periods
Most of the time she lives up his ass.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
24. I did briefly see her while I was flipping through channels
But I didn't watch a second of it. She's such a sweet person and I couldn't stomach a despicable, nasty bitch like Coulter bad-mouthing her.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:03 PM
Response to Original message
31. We should all call the network and urge that Coulter be fired
for calling for the assassination of a presidential candidate and denigrating his son's death.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Which network employs Coulter?
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 05:10 PM by DesertRat
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. None
she has no show, many papers have dropped her, her sphere of influence is shrinking rapidly. She's got her books now.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #34
51. The Satan Network (TSN)
They keep her on because she may be bony, but the girl can dance.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
32. Is it too late to edit and mention that it was on Hardball?
The re-run starts in about an hour central time, some may want a chance to tune in? :hi:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. good idea
just did. Thanks.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
44. Good job, EE
:toast:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:16 PM
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53. I think this is great
More politicians and public figures should call in and talk directly to her whenever she appears on these cable shows.

If they don't manage to shame her, at least they get to point out her total lack of class.

Good move, Elizabeth. You sure outclassed her.

:thumbsup:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:26 PM
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60. Fantastic...I hope Ann shit a brick when she heard EE was on the phone
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. I'm sure she did - then again, who could tell?
I won't insult either shit or brick by comparing them to Ann Coulter.

Another legendary kissass job by Tweety, though.

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 05:51 PM
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72. She's hurled the faggot word around too many times.
And I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but...the things she's said. The odious, hateful comments she's expressed....

You better believe she's a bitch.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. Has she really?
Wow, I didn't know she'd ever actaully said that. What a bitch.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:01 PM
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76. Ann Coulter's "humor"
Ann Coulter's style of humor is very similar to the cruel statements by public speaking Nazis in the 1930s. This is how it starts, with a little chuckle about the size of one race's nose. She can say it's a joke but we all know better. Why she was allowed that forum is beyond me. It's high time that Coulter is recognized for the danger she represents in our society. Doesn't it make you wonder why the right wing has so many of these hate mongers? There is Limbaugh, Savage, O'Riley, Beck, Coulter and Hanity, to name a few. When does this start to alarm the citizenry? I think we need a wake up call. Strike that, I know we need a wake up call. These people make misleading and hateful speech 24/7 and go unchallenged. Why is this? Are we already defeated? I believe we are already defeated when impeachment is "off the table". This country is in deep shit.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:05 PM
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79. Huffington has the video up:
Elizabeth Edwards called into "Hardball" today and called Ann Coulter out. Part of the conversation revolved around Coulter's slander of Edwards on ABC, which the campaign is utilizing to pump up the volume on their campaign cash, as the second quarter fundraising comes to a close.

It was clear she was stunned by the call when Matthews announced who was on the line. But as Edwards laid out her case, Coulter immediately started flipping her hair and stuttering. The point was that the personal, negative attacks by Coulter are hurting politics and aren't good for this country.

Elizabeth Edwards made the right-wing slander merchant squirm.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/elizabeth-edwards-confron_b_53902.html

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #79
89. Thanks for the link...but just watching her makes my blood boil.
Coulter that is. Elizabeth was amazingly cool and respectful. I don't think I could have been that calm.

I would resubscribe to cable if Mathews announced that he was not going to have Ann on ever again.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. I'm glad they had the video up too,
I didn't turn on Hardball because I can't take too much of Coulter, but this little exchange was very good. EE was excellent.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #79
125. Hopeless and clueless...such is that THING called Ann
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:05 PM
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80. I hate to think this gives Coulter any more press. n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #80
91. Good god - some tool has a sign that says "Marry Me Ann"
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 06:26 PM by progressoid
Just a minute...I have to :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

edited to add: Sorry, I meant to this as a reply this to another post!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #80
93. That's what bothers me about this as well
This is only going to give Ann more press and get her on more shows to talk about this. So she'll get more time to spew her trash.
The only good this'll do is possibly help the Edwards campaign.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:14 PM
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85. Video???? I missed it..n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. you can see it here now
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #87
116. Having just watched that...
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 10:53 PM by Blue_In_AK
and also being a woman...I would have to agree that Ann Coulter is a bitch, whether or not that's a sexist term.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #116
119. LOL
:thumbsup:

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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 08:27 PM
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108. elizabeth rocked. I loved her going after Coultergist
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 09:55 PM
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113. Nice, Elizabeth!
Edited on Tue Jun-26-07 09:58 PM by ripple
:applause: :bounce: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause: :bounce: :headbang:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:09 AM
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126. Transcript:
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churchofreality Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:50 AM
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128. Thanks for that.
I want to take a baseball bat to her head. MSNBC should be ashamed of themselves. Let her go on Faux news, but the other networks are complicit in her hate speech because the put her on for ratings.
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