Why did Hillary Clinton lie about how she was given her first name?

[zulchzulu]

Hillary Clinton apparently lied about how she was given her first name. This is certainly part of the vast experience she had as First Lady to chalk up the experience to be President.

As many have witnessed, this is not a surprising trait from the Clintons. We remember believing her husband when he said he "didn't have sex with that woman". We stood by and were disappointed that we were lied to as he also publically lied to his wife, now attempting to run for President.

What's odd about this story about Hillary Clinton got her name is first mentioned here:

Taking a weekend break from official duties on her Asian tour, the first lady escaped already-remote Katmandu and traveled two hours by prop plane, land rover and rowboat to the Tiger Tops Jungle Lodge.

Later, she got to meet Sir Edmund Hillary, the first person to reach Mount Everest's summit in 1953.

Sir Edmund Hillary, a frequent visitor and benefactor of Nepal since his historic trek, had a brief Hillary-to-Hillary handshake at the Katmandu airport before Clinton departed Sunday for Bangladesh.

The first lady said her mother had read about the famous climber and knew his name had two L's.

"So when I was born, she called me Hillary and she always told me, 'It's because of Sir Edmund Hillary,'" Hillary Clinton reported.

The Houston Chronicle, 1995
http://search.chron.com/chronicle/openDocument.do?docRef=archive_1995_1265715&selectedPath=

As is a common trait with her, she apparently used the lie to Sir Edmund Hillary for political expediency. She knew that she was born in 1947. Sir Edmund Hillary climbed to Mount Everest's summit 6 years later.

How is it that she would be named by someone who was not known very well in 1947 except for a dedicated avid New Zealand mountain climbing fans? To try to get out of the lie, Senator Clinton mentioned that her mother saw his name in an article about when he was a beekeeper turned mountaineer. The trouble with that lie is that no major news publications mentioned Sir Edmund Hillary until he climbed Mount Everest.

Maybe Senator Clinton's mother could see into the future. I'd pass that tidbit on to her campaign and see if it sticks.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp

[orleans]

1. i remember hearing this story awhile ago

[klyon]

190. me too what is with this stuff

Was not Sir Hillary famous before he climbed that particular mountain? If he was well known before that would explain it
KL

[pnwmom]

2. How do you know Hillary's MOTHER didn't misinform her? From Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp

SNIP

"We opined back in 2003 that Hillary Clinton's claim about being Edmund Hillary's namesake might not have been completely false since she didn't say she was actually named for the mountain climber, but rather that her mother told her she was named for him — a minor but important distinction given how often parents make up harmless little fibs to amuse their children or misremember past events. Indeed, in October 2006 this was the excuse a spokesperson for her campaign provided in officially discounting the story:
For more than a decade, one piece of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's informal biography has been that she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Mount Everest. The story was even recounted in Bill Clinton's autobiography.

But yesterday, Mrs. Clinton's campaign said she was not named for Sir Edmund after all.

"It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add," said Jennifer Hanley, a spokeswoman for the campaign."

SNIP

[last_texas_dem]

20. Yeah, that's a good point

This just isn't the sort of "lie" (if it can truly be considered a lie if it's really just her repeating a story that her mother told her as a child that it turns out isn't true) that I would hold against Clinton as a candidate. It reminds me of the "lies" they kept accusing Al Gore of back in his 2000 run, and since the media hated him so much they had no problem repeating them ad nauseam as they tried to paint him as a "serial exaggerater." In fact, it reminds me of one of the attacks they made on Gore. He referenced a song he thought he remembered his mother singing to him as a child that it turned out wasn't written until he would have been older. The media had a field day attacking Gore with that, but somehow didn't find it odd that *'s favorite children's book was a book that wasn't published until he was in his thirties...

[pnwmom]

21. I immediately thought about the Gore "lies" too.

People who would be concerned about such an inconsequential misstatement either don't like HRC anyway, or they just don't have much of an understanding of how memory works. Researchers such as Elizabeth Loftus have demonstrated that it is very easy for even recent memories to get blurred, and much more so memories of things that occurred or didn't occur decades in the past.

[rhiannon55]

189. "*'s favorite children's book was a book that wasn't published until he was in his thirties..."

Well, to be fair to *, he probably didn't know how to read until he was in his thirties...

[ShortnFiery]

192. Read the articles: She not only lied about the famous moutain climber but she told another

lie to cover for her first lie (citing some obscure beekeeper that her mom read a Journal article about).

The truth about her first name, the world may never know. :shrug:

[rhiannon55]

198. Look, I legally changed my name to Rhiannon about 20 years ago, and

I have, on occasion, lied to people who want to know how someone as old as me got a name that has only recently become a popular name for children. Why lie about it? I was in a Wiccan coven and chose the name of a Welsh goddess as my 'witch' name, then liked it so much I had it changed legally. Since I work with a group of repuke fundamentalists, it's simply easier to answer their questions about my name with some version of "Rhiannon is an old Welsh name and my mother was Welsh."

Lying about one's name is a pretty minor thing, imo.

[ShortnFiery]

199. Lying to the press about a famous person you were erroneously named after and then lying again

to cover it up with an even more suspect LIE, is NOT your "run of the mill" white lieS. :shrug:

[rhiannon55]

206. You're right about that, but still...

Hillary lied and NOBODY died.

[Uncle Joe]

200. Al didn't think he remembered it, he was telling a joke and

the MCM knew it, they were just intent on slandering him anyway. I believe their motivation was in large part because he championed the Internet thus threatening their monopoly on information and they were intent on punishing him for it.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh092403.shtml

<snip>

"Everyone pretended that Gore’s statement was serious. But just how plainly had Gore been joking? We didn’t have Nexis in October 2000, so we couldn’t perform the full research. Of course, every Washington journalist did—and the press corps chose to lie in your face about what Gore had said.
Quick review: On September 18, 2000, Gore told the Teamsters convention that he had been sung “Look for the Union Label” as a lullaby in his youth. Brilliant historians like Shapiro discerned that the song wasn’t written until 1976; they loudly complained that the troubling comment was surely Al Gore’s Latest Lie. Gore explained that he’d only been joking. (“That was a joke,” he told a press conference. “You know? Nobody sings a lullaby to a little baby about union labels?”) He also said that he often told the joke to union audiences. Indeed, on the tape of the Gore speech, you could see Teamsters laugh at his comment. But the press was determined to make Gore a liar, and so they feigned a deep concern about his latest troubling comment (just as they do now with Clark). Indeed, the New York Times never even reported Gore’s explanation; incredibly, they never even told their readers that Gore had said he’d been joking. See Richard Berke’s astonishing voice-mail in which he defended his utter fakery. (Question: As citizens, why do we tolerate “journalists” like Berke, even for the shortest New York minute?)

But just how plainly had Gore been joking? Earlier this year, we entered “Gore AND union label” in the Nexis archives. And guess what? Just six weeks before this fake, ginned-up flap, Joel Siegel of the New York Daily News had interviewed Evy Dubrow of Greenwich Village, who thought that “her thirteenth time as a Democratic National Convention delegate may be the best of all.” Dubrow—88 years old, and a former union lobbyist—had known Gore since his childhood. Indeed, when she worked in Washington in the 1950s, Dubrow occasionally baby-sat Gore. “Al jokes that when he was a little boy, I used to sing him the ‘Union Label’ song,” Dubrow said, right there in the Daily News. And let’s make sure we understand that time-line: Dubrow said this to the Daily News on August 14, 2000—six weeks before the “union lullaby” flap. But so what? Six weeks later, your deeply destructive Washington press corps did the thing they always did best. They took Gore’s meaningless joke to the teamsters and turned it into Gore’s Latest Lie. For the record, Gore had begun to pull away in the polls at the time of the flap. The press corps’ newest GORE LIAR flap began to pull Bush back to even. (See Fineman’s comment below.)

Every scribe had access to Nexis. A search would have turned up Dubrow’s comment within minutes. But all of them knew to suppress what Dubrow had said—and Siegel kept his mouth shut, too. Your Washington press corps is worse than inept—your Washington press corps is deeply corrupt. It’s a cancer growing on our democracy. The obvious question comes to mind: How do we plan to destroy it?

WHY IT HAPPENED: You’re going to think that we’re making this up. But on Thursday, September 21, 2000, Howard Fineman explained why the press had turned on Gore in the lullaby/doggy-pill lunacy."

<snip>

[ShortnFiery]

201. Not even close to two open and disparate LIES to the press corps. n/t

[last_texas_dem]

229. Thanks for posting this information

I didn't remember the specifics of the Al Gore story well; it was something I read about after the campaign in a book that mentioned numerous lies that the media spread about Al Gore and much of it had blurred in my mind. That's even worse that the media was purposely distorting a joke he made, but it proves once again that most of them had an agenda of hurting Gore and helping Bush in 2000.

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. People read these articles and associate Clinton with "lies"

No matter how stupid, or false, or trivial the "lie" is, the association is out there...and if everyday someone associates Clinton with LIE, it can redefine her.

That is what the republicans did the whole time Clinton was in office. And it continues today.

This post is so ugly because of that association attempt.

[pnwmom]

165. I think you're right. n/t

[Donnachaidh]

3. oh fer criminey's sake!

Just tie her to a STAKE and set her on fire already! What's next -- she got the wrong change from the market, was given too much - and didn't give the extra back? :sarcasm:

:banghead: :banghead:

[zanne]

86. I'm an Obama supporter and even I think that's over the top.

Who the hell cares about things like that?

[pnwmom]

166. Me, too. She's not my first choice but I hate to see the attempts to smear her.

[Mark Twain Girl]

169. Yes, no kidding. Not a Hillary supporter, but this kind of thing is cringe-worthy. n/t

[Big Pappa]

4. Is this what it has come to?

Maybe Sir Edmond is HRC's real dad!

[illinoisprogressive]

5. very typical Hillary spin. No judgement and no trustworthiness.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

6. I thought you were against "smears" and "slime"? nt

[ronnykmarshall]

171. Only if it's about Hillary then it's a-ok!!

:eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

213. only if she's asking for it because of her berserker staff

except you Ronny ; you know I love you.
:hi:
ps whens the next DUer H'wood drinkfest?

[ronnykmarshall]

214. I know, huh?

Let's crash Paris Hilton's next party!

[DURHAM D]

8. Don't you ever get tired of being Mr. Negative Poster? eom

[IndianaGreen]

14. As David Geffen said, the Clintons lie with such ease.

"Everybody in politics lies, but (the Clintons) do it with such ease, it's troubling."

-- David Geffen, as told by Maureen Dowd.

This is just one minor example. I am more interested in the many versions Hillary has put out to explain her prowar votes, and her explanation of what "all options are on the table" when it comes to Iran.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. No reasonable person

would ever take a military option "off the table".

[SOS]

157. A reasonable person

would only have the military option on the table in the event of an attack.
Those who keep the preventative and pre-emptive "option" open (like Bush and Cheney) are nuts.
Unless of course they believe Iraq turned out well for the United States....

[MonkeyFunk]

163. No option is ever taken off the table...

and it would be foolish to announce that one was.

[IndianaGreen]

215. The option in this case is a US first strike with atomic bunker buster bombs

as reported by Seymour Hersh. An unprovoked nuke strike by the US would make us a global pariah, and it would put the American President (whoever he or she is) on a par with Hitler.

[niceypoo]

15. Typical clinton hater spin

No substance, no one really cares

[zulchzulu]

68. So if Edwards or Obama had lied about how they got their name, you'd...

...just say it was no big deal?

:rofl:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

7. Damn, I am not voting for her under any circumstances at all now

:sarcasm:

She couldn't tell us about the origins of her name and, even worse, has not even bothered to tell us the meaning of her name (Barack means "blessed". He tells us that but not how long he will keep troops in Iraq? :wtf: )!

[autorank]

9. Dude, she's precognitive...

...get with the program! That's why she voted for a preemptive war.

Besides, modern physics says time is illusory and we can go forward or backwards with equal logic (since it's all ephemeral). An then there's the parallel universe explanation...ever read SuperMan?

It all makes sense if you just work on it for a while.

On a more serious not, given your sig line avatar, you may be interested in this

[poverlay]

16. I was interested in that. I've never taken the time to read all of the analysis of the election.

Wow. Impressive work. Damning and horrific. If this were a true Democracy we would all be at the gates to the WhiteHouse demanding the pretender's head...

[autorank]

22. Share it widely, no copyright restrictions at all...

...that's how much we like it. It's a different approach to the whole polling situation. We took the poll that the polling company and their clients, the major networks, said was official-the one with Bush winning. When you look at it, there's no way a Bush win makes sense - 66% big city turnout increase, 4.0 million new white voters in the big cities (never seen before or since), 150% increase in Bush big city votes, and, at the same time, rural voting down, * rural votes down 2.0 million from 2000...oh yeah, * won. You read it right!

:hi:

[jobycom]

10. Makes me more likely to vote for her.

If that's the best your type can come up with, she must be pretty clean.

[aquart]

11. The Clintons were investigated down to their underwear.

Granted, Ken Starr was an incompetent jerk, but if there was ANYTHING, they would have gleefully trumpeted it to the world.

Basically, the Clintons have the Ken Starr official Republican seal of approval: 73 million dollars later, and they couldn't find a damned thing.

[Bucky]

18. Ken Starr was many things. "Incompetant" was not among them.

The man was a fucking legal acrobat. He started off investigating a run of the mill land development deal that was apparently entirely legal and ended up nearly toppling the leader of the free world for getting a blow job. You may not admire his ethics (tho' you'd have to find them first) but there's now way you can deny the man's got mad skillz.

[aquart]

26. It wasn't his skill. The game was completely rigged.

If you want me to say he's a good criminal...okay, I grant that. And, surely, cheating is a skill. But the cheating was wildly transparent to anyone who wanted to look. The media didn't. If Clinton wasn't an adulterer, they would have impeached him for jaywalking. After tricking him into crossing in the middle of the street by having a child cry for help.

Whatever happened to old Ken?

[hughee99]

159. As I read it...

To suggest that Starr was incompetent because he spent 73 million dollars and "couldn't find a damned thing" only makes sense if there was plenty of things to find. Even the most competent of investigators can't find something that's not there.

[Jim Sagle]

12. Whadda crocka RNC chickenshit bullshit..

[CK_John]

13. What did Sir Edmund Hillary do during the war. I think he was well

known in 47. And I don't care if her mom told some tall tales.

[saracat]

17. Wow! And we care about this why? How silly.

[Orangepeel]

19. stupidest criticism EVER

It is possible to be wrong without telling a lie. It's not a lie if one believes it.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. THIS IS HUH!

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. If true, SO FUCKING WHAT?

Most of us would be happy that our mother thought hard to come up with a nice healthy boost to her child's ego. So Hillary was told a white lie and didn't spend thousands on a course of therapy to find out what really happened the fateful day that Hillary was told this, this, fateful day of such great importance! She believed her mother at the age of six or seven without question.

Quick, this is a P-P-Pillory H-H-Hillary momemnt of breathtakingly urgent outrage!! :sarcasm:

What mother has never exaggerated things to boost her child's ego? And what child questions her mother about such things?

And people appear to be breaking sweat on their brows over this claptrap?

Wake me up when it's over.

:yawn:

[zulchzulu]

31. The point is...why would you lie to someone about how you got your name?

Imagine Sir Edmund Hillary's surprise when he found out that she lied to him...probably giggling with joy that she got her name from him.

She could have just not said it. She could have not lied. It says a lot about her "character". It wasn't about her mother thinking that she had named her daughter after the man. She lied about that too to try to cover it up. That's what is equally pathetic.

And no, it's not RNC spin. It's purely an issue that makes me wonder how anyone could ever trust her. There are other issues too, but this one certainly raises mistrust.

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. I smell bullcrap here

You didn't even read my post. You're laying astroturf for her enemies. Why?

[tigereye]

52. I thought this was a joke at first

I don't think family exaggerations, or poor memory, constitute a cover-up.

[ShortnFiery]

27. Well, if she has the raw ambition to confront ex-lovers of her husband face to face,

it comes as no surprise to me that HRC would flatly lie about her first name. :shrug:

Winning is seemingly every damn thing to HRC - who's shamelessly revealing her addiction to power politics. :thumbsdown:

[pnwmom]

168. Why make such a big deal about such a trivial thing? How do you know

it wasn't her own mother who gave her the idea in the first place?

[Kiouni]

28. When you run for president everything is recorded

and this proves it. Good catch but I think her mom probably just made it up.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Then HRC should not be President because she's too dumb to fact check her first name?

HRC can't have it both ways. It's just another example of how "she'd do anything" and I mean "any damn thing" for a chance at the reigns of absolute power.

I for one do not want an American "War Horse" Margret Thatcher wannabe in the White House. I'm more than willing to wait for the first woman President to be of the integrity and character that would make my gender proud. Not a woman who covers up her husband's infidelities because she wants absolute political power. Not a woman who angled to get The Chief of Staff position while her husband was in the White House.

HRC's no feminist and I hope she will not darken our Country's history as the first woman President and a continuing part of corrupt Dynastic rule of our Executive Branch. :thumbsdown:

[MGKrebs]

30. A couple of questions for you:

Who is this non-ambitious candidate who is running anyway that you clearly prefer?

What are the dynastic rules that you speak of? Is it just THIS candidate at THIS time, or are there some geneal rules that apply to all that we can use?

[ShortnFiery]

32. You already know the answers to these questions. I want a LEADER who didn't

pad his/her resume with "I was married to the boss."

As a woman, we've all worked for bosses whose wives were unduly involved with the company business. It makes for a dysfunctional office atmosphere, not dislike, romancing the boss in plain sight.

My point is that as a mother of a 13 year old daughter, I'd rather not have a woman President, if in today's AMERICA she feels a need to sacrifice her integrity (confronting the ex-lovers of her husband; lying about her given first name) and character (claiming to be a feminist yet citing "my husband" at every given opportunity) to get elected.

No, if a woman feels FORCED to sacrifice all that makes her a GENUINE - thinking and feeling human being in order to be elected President of The United States, I'd rather my gender not participate. :thumbsdown:

[MGKrebs]

57. We all know that she cannot distance herself from her resume.

Even if she tried to ignore it, the media would make it an issue, and I suspect that many here would call it a scandal that she was NOT using him. How can being an accomplished attorney living in the White House for 8 years as spouse to the President not be worth something? We have to judge these candidates on their experience and capability, and that experience most certainly is relative regardless of whether one thinks it is positive or negative. To dismiss it as irrelevant is shallow propaganda in my opinion.

Wives being involved in "the company" is not automatically dysfunctional or inappropriate. There are many, many, many companies and organizations that are run by couples that function just fine, and of all the things to criticize the Clinton's for, "public display of affection" is just bizarre. How about the Al and Tipper "kiss" at the convention?

The rest of this mess is contradictory and incoherent.

[LBJDemocrat]

33. That's fucking bullshit

There's no way of knowing for sure who her mother named her after. And the mother might've changed the story to inspire her daughter.

I think bringing childhood-related issues into this is beyond the pale.

[ShortnFiery]

34. So, her mother lied to her to make her feel good? What does that say about their dynasty?

Gee, my dad was sent on a Diplomatic Mission to Tehran, Iran during the rule of The Shah ... where I happen to have been born. BUT YA KNOW, albeit my mother used the term that I was born in *Persia,* I knew the truth. Well, DUH! :eyes:

Therefore, just like HRC should have known that the FAMOUS man that she was supposedly named after had not MADE HISTORY until SIX YEARS AFTER she was born, HRC should have known ... and the odds are that, with her high intelligence, she did know. ;) Too bad HRC underestimated the research power of the Media. :thumbsdown:

[Adelante]

36. Feh

Fucking lame as it gets.

[MaineDem]

37. It's going to be a LONG primary season here at DU

I'm glad the candidates have kinda sorta decided not to go negative. It's certainly not the case here.

[William769]

39. Well this threads been shot all to hell.

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

40. Ok, one of HRC's most staunch supporters has spoken ...

I guess that we should OBEY the wishes of the DLC and their ilk ... like "good little democrats" should? :eyes:

[William769]

41. When you all can come up with something of substance, we might talk.

[ShortnFiery]

42. Sorry, I thought I was above this "tit for tat" but I learn from the best. Substance? Like this ...

:rofl:

[William769]

43. well that pretty much explains this thread.

NO SUBSTANCE.

Just like the majority of posts by certain individuals when it comes to all things Hillary.

Of course when I posts thread of substance http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3343481&mesg_id=3343481 These same individuals stay away like the plague, because they have nothing of substance to offer.

The balls in your court.

[ShortnFiery]

45. Very mature. It also explains many of the ones you cheerlead in ... you're not above it either.

;)

[William769]

46. Backsliding I see. See ya! NT.

[ShortnFiery]

48. I never fail to be amazed at your penchant for one-ups-man-ship.

I'm sure we'll meet again. :hi:

[mainer]

44. My mom told me all sorts of things that weren't true

and I only found out years later, when I checked various records. I don't know if her memory just "remade" events, or whether she was trying consciously to embellish. The point is, you can't trust family memories. They often turn out to be exaggerated.

[ShortnFiery]

47. That's the ticket. Let's blame "Mom?"

in the Freudian tradition of the DLC: Never take the blame. :P

[sinkingfeeling]

49. Pretty judgmental aren't you? Neither you nor the person who wrote the stuff at Snopes

knows what Hillary's mother read or told her daughter. And your claim that lying is a Clinton trait is bulls**t.

[ShortnFiery]

50. It may not be a "Clinton trait" but according to David Geffen, it may be part of their Dynasty.

:shrug:

[sinkingfeeling]

132. Wow, words from David Geffen! I'm impressed .... NOT.

[Vickers]

51. George Bush is named after p-funk pioneer George Clinton

See the tie-in there?

:P

By the way, my mom told me that when I was born a herd of winged horses flew over the hospital.

I'm sure she isn't just saying that to entertain me. :eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

53. "my mom told me that when I was born a herd of winged horses flew over the hospital"

And you repeated this claim to the press as an adult? No, I don't think so. :(

[Vickers]

54. Wow, you really have some sand in your panties today, huh?

Try this:

- remove them

- shake them (over a trash can or outside )

- put 'em back on.

Good luck!

[ShortnFiery]

55. Nice personal attack. You must be great at parties.

:eyes:

[Vickers]

56. Oops! Looks like you might have put them on backwards.

:rofl:

Besides, I was trying to be impersonal. :eyes:

Just because you hate HRC doesn't mean you have to TOTALLY abandon your sense of humor!

[ShortnFiery]

59. Oh, yeah, "panties" ... Impersonal? Loosen your jock strap and talk issues?

[Vickers]

61. Actually, I thought you were a fella when I posted that.

Es tut mir leid, meine Frau.

Anyway, I'm thinking you should just go commando today, to be on the safe side.

[ShortnFiery]

63. Yes, when you can't counter a claim that an adult HRC blatantly lied to the press, then attack.

How very DLC of you. The only one who made a sexist remark is you - and you knew I was a woman, didn't you? If you didn't then you are remiss in NOT being aware of the arguments within this thread. Which is it? Are you sexist or just poorly informed? :shrug:

[Vickers]

72. You call this a blatant lie? A childhood story that turns out to NOT BE TRUE!?!?!?!?!

OMG, HOW CAN WE TRUST HER???????

I'l admit it, I had NOT read this thread when I initially posted...it seems like such an inconsequentlial thing that I read the OP (to whom I replied, in case you didn't notice), then subsequently replied to your replies to me. So by your reasoning (which is bulletproof, I might add) I *am* informed.

"How very DLC of you." lol, I thought you had this thing against personal attacks? IOnly when it serves your hatred of HRC I imagine!

"you knew I was a woman, didn't you?"

I'm *still* not sure that you are! After all, you can be whoever you want on the internets, eh? :eyes:

FTR, I'm wearing panties right now.

[ShortnFiery]

73. All the bold, enlarged capital letters cannot erase an adult HRC lying - bald faced LYING!

I attacked you by associating you with the DLC? I didn't accuse them of wearing panties, did I?

[Vickers]

82. Wow, you really must be seeing red with all the lies from George and Dick

and the rest of the gang.

I mean, George claims he's from TEXAS!

Dick claims he isn't part of the Executive Branch!

HRC is not even my candidate (I ain't exactly settled on one), but the vitriol expressed here by some of the loonier DUers is almost pushing me in her direction. Crazy, huh!

[ShortnFiery]

88. Nice try at changing the subject. You must be feeling guilty for behaving sexist toward me? n/t

[Vickers]

93. Irony Alert! Irony Alert!

:rofl:

Hey did you hear about that wrestler that murdered his family, then killed himself?

Tragic.

:(

[ShortnFiery]

95. I accept your apology.

:rofl: :hi:

[Vickers]

97. I accept your Napoleonic traits.

*deep bow*

[SaveElmer]

58. My mother told me there was a Santa Claus...and I believed it...

And told all my friends there was a Santa Claus too...

Guess I was a big fat liar huh?

The fact that you felt the need to post this, which is clearly not as your subject line states, is further evidence of just how desperate Obama supporters are...

What's next? I four part expose on how Hillary lied about her weight on her drivers license?

[ShortnFiery]

60. And then you held a press conference to announce it to the world? n/t

[SaveElmer]

62. Kind like when Jimmy Carter announced his support of NAFTA?...nt

[ShortnFiery]

64. We're not talking NAFTA. I don't idolize leaders. Also, I don't trust those who LIE.

NAFTA is one strong area that I disagree with Jimmy Carter.

However, you'd be hard pressed to find a more honest, compassionate and sincere human being. :shrug:

[SaveElmer]

65. Funny...

Name a politician that has not lied...

You are predisposed to hating Hillary, so will use any pathetic minor incident to reinforce it...feel free...it's sad, and obsessive...but it's your life...

[ShortnFiery]

66. I honestly don't know of a politician who LIED about something so personal and so

easily dismissed. It makes me wonder what else someone like this would lie about?

p.s. Hating HRC? I could say the same about you and anybody but HRC. You are the one who starts all the treads and slants the statistics. I'm not a thread starter on steroids that you and a couple of others here obsess with hatred of all things "NOT Hillary." :shrug:

[SaveElmer]

67. Read a history book...

Presidential history is replete with such things...

[ShortnFiery]

70. Not this and you know it. How about you just admit that she lied about something truly simple.

Something that many who are diagnosed as pathological liars tend to do at the drop of a hat?

What else is HRC capable of lying to us about?

[SaveElmer]

76. Grow up...

And like I said...read a history book...Presidential history is replete with men claiming untruths about their personal past...

How many President's claimed, for example, they were born in log cabins? Go back and take a look...and really, if you have a candidate to support, why not focus on pumping them rather than harp on silly things like this...

So she said her mother told her she was named after Edmund Hilary...big deal...might be true, might not be true..

It is inconsequential...except to Hillary Haters who seem to have raised to the level of Watergate...

[ShortnFiery]

79. Well that's rich from a "Everybody loves Hillary, or else!" enforcer. n/t

[SaveElmer]

81. Cite your source...

Show me where I once said anything remotely like this?

I'll save you the trouble..you can't ...because I never have...

I'm sorry that there are some of us that have interrupted the anti-Hillary hallelujah chorus around here...but in fact...it is the Anybody but Hillary crowd that is issuing ultimatums on their support...

[ShortnFiery]

85. Holy Cow, look at all the threads you folks start to trash anyone who doesn't adore HRC? n/t

[SaveElmer]

90. Well that is truly rich...

Hillary is the most pilloried candidate around here...and you know it...

And again, cite your source...show me a single example of where I issued the kind of ultimatum on my vote that is common in the ABC crowd...

[William769]

91. I see you couldn't answer the question.

Typical. :eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

92. OK, I do know when someone comments "Typical" that they're out of ammunition. n/t

[William769]

94. Still waiting for an answer.

You made the assertion, now back it up. Theres an old saying, "put up or shut up".

[ShortnFiery]

178. As Requested.

[ronnykmarshall]

173. "You folks"

Well at least we're not call "you people".

[sinkingfeeling]

133. How do you, personally know that Hillary lied about how she got her name? Did she tell you?

You read this post or the thing in Snope's and you believe it. That isn't evidence of a lie.

[ShortnFiery]

202. Read the Articles cited above. Unless one's deluded, it's clear that she lied, twice. n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

207. Oh yes the NY Times has never, ever been wrong or plain lied! I guess you

believe that Saddam had millions of WMDs and a nuclear bomb in each and every home directed towards the USA too!

[William769]

69. Obama hasn't lied! Oh wait yes he did. My bad.

[ShortnFiery]

71. You're here. Oh good, I've missed you. What's it been, 5 minutes and another thread?

[Tellurian]

74. Yes, Is it Barak or BARRY OBAMA?

All his life Barak Obama called himself, Barry Obama?

Is BARRY his legal name? Does he sign his checks, BARRY Obama?

Did his mother embellish the name when he was a child?

Nope, BARRY Obama is an invention of the now well known, Barak Obama.

Zulu throwing stones! How comical and desperate.

[ShortnFiery]

77. OMG! This is big - for the illustrious Tellurian has arrived - protector of all things Hillary!

:rofl:

You folks slay me - and are so utterly transparent in the process. :hi:

[Tellurian]

96. And you are SO in denial!

So, what do you call Obama, BARRY, Barak, BARRY, Barak?

Or maybe you need more time to think how to spin this?

[William769]

78. Don't forget the court jester thats tried to make this his thread.

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

80. Cute, here I go, learning from the Master of court jesters.

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

101. Yeah, you just fell into a hole dug by people running the Barry table in Madison.

[ShortnFiery]

104. Oh, double and triple "Team Hillary" enforcers are after me. Yikes!

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

108. Yes, I see...you're laughing so hard over your pot kettle mistake!!

I hope your not crying dear, you should know better than to follow zulu..he's never won an argument yet, on this board.

Let us know which name we should be using today for anyone wanting to donate!

Is it Barak or BARRY?

[ShortnFiery]

110. I love the "sexist" attacks. Hillary would be so proud. Not only am I wearing panties, but crying?

You folks are precious ... you must have been trained by Frank Luntz himself. :hi:

[William769]

112. See post #94. or is it going to go unanswered?

[ronnykmarshall]

174. #94 post is gathering cobwebs

[Tellurian]

113. Sexist? Wow... a total disconnect...is it Barak or BARRY..

Let us know when you can hang on to the point long enough to give us a statemnt of fact.

Is it Barak or BARRY?

[zulchzulu]

158. Kind of when Bill Clinton SIGNED NAFTA into law...

That must have been great experience for Senator Clinton as First Lady.

"Look, honey! I sign it here and then I can hear a giant sucking sound...like Perot said"...

[ronnykmarshall]

172. Oh dear ..

THAT'S gotta sting!

[Bridget Burke]

75. Who gives a fuck?

Start a thread to inform us of your candidate's good points.

And don't use Right Wing Talking Points about The Lying Clintons. Yes, we know he got a blow job.

[ShortnFiery]

84. More than just the right wing. We don't want a President to lie about confirmable things.

Makes you wonder what else we are not hearing. Well some of us wonder. :shrug:

[Tellurian]

98. Did you find out if BARRY made the name up..or was it his mother?

Do the research kid and let us know!

[zulchzulu]

107. I do...

It's easy to try to avoid the issue by saying that what was said in her own words are now "right-wing talking points".

That's easy to say. Presto! Avoid the issue! Yay!

Just as the Clinton Team avoids the real issue behind the recent information about the Clintons profiting from oursourcing with India clients and is called "racist", this issue gets met with the same LAME excuses.

I suppose discussing how much money AIPAC has given to the Clinton Team should be stomped on as "anti-semitic".

:crazy:

[Bridget Burke]

144. Do you have any good information on Barack Obama?

Let us know why you think he'd be a good candidate. (I'm undecided, unless Gore changes his mind.)

Or should I judge Obama by his supporters?

[ronnykmarshall]

175. "Or should I judge Obama by his supporters?"

Please don't do that.

[endarkenment]

83. Constitutional Crisis, Endless War, Looming Planetary Disaster

and this.

Please find something else to do with your life.

[ShortnFiery]

87. So it doesn't bother you that someone would tell as SIMPLE lie?

I mean this is the height of arrogance because she knows it can be dispelled but assumes that no one would call her on her CLEAR LIE. It doesn't bother you that a potential Presidential Candidate would flat out LIE about something so personal? What else could she lie to us about ... all of what you mentioned above, perhaps?

[ieoeja]

89. It was a story. Stories don't have to be true. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

102. So the New York Times and Houston Chronicle are lying to us too? n/t

[zulchzulu]

117. If the NYT or the Houston Chronicle had a poll saying Senator Clinton was leading...

...do you think the people who support her would mention it in a thread?

:eyes:

I frankly think this story goes to the very heart of honesty in a candidate. Some think that it was her mother who said the name was chosen by her. That was the second lie. Senator Clinton's spinners added that as a "defense" for an utterly stupid lie bent on being used for political expediency. There is no other way to put it.

It's funny to see these people (you know the ones) falling all over themselves trying to defend the indefensible. It's just a little taste of what would happen if Senator Clinton is the nominee, which I firmly feel she will not be.

Additionally, some of the same people supporting her have posted garbage about how Obama "is imploding", how Edwards is "disappearing", how Kucinich is "a New Age nut"...

:rofl:

[ieoeja]

129. I'm actually in the "Anybody But Clinton" crowd.

But in this instance Hillary was just relating a complimentary anecdote. And as the saying goes, "like most compliments, it wasn't true".

This wasn't about policy or issues. It was just harmless little flattery.

[Norquist Nemesis]

99. So, it's a safe bet that this isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back for you

to bring forth reasons not to support Hillary Clinton?

:eyes:

[Sparkly]

100. She's not my favorite BUT I HATE these "gotcha" games!!!

Hillary on the summit of Mount Seally in the Southern Alps NZ 1947.
From A Pictorial Celebration Sir Edmund Hillary
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/hillary.html

I'm not sure the references at this link are all FROM 1947, but:
http://www.newspaperarchive.com/RegistrationLockdown.aspx?ctl=RLD2&refpage=http%3a%2f%2fwww.newspaperarchive.com%2fSearch.aspx%3frefpage%3dSEv07&search=edmund+hillary+1947&results=44&total=66,261,303&returnurl=%2fSearch.aspx%3frefpage%3dSEv07&clssearchvalues=True

I think the main issue is that Clinton said her MOTHER TOLD HER this story, and there's no reason to believe THAT isn't true.

[ShortnFiery]

106. It's not a "gotcha game" when an ADULT woman would lie about her first name. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

176. Barry! Barry! Barry!

[Canuckistanian]

103. Who. CARES.

Ridiculous stuff like this and other time-wasters only encourage the Heathers in the media.

Remember how they pecked Gore to death? Nothing big, just a constant stream of BULLSHIT little things like this.

By the time an explanation or a correction comes, it's on to the next one. It never fucking ends.

Please don't post ANYthing like this again.

It's MEANINGLESS.

[Enrique]

105. utter stupidity

this stuff is as laughable here as it would be at Free Republic.

[ShortnFiery]

109. Ok think about this, if HRC could casually lie about something as simple and inconsequential

as her first name, what are the odds that she could, without conscious, lie to The American People about something ... say consequential?

I know it's cute to dismiss this but lying about something so simple is "very telling" to those of us who have had background in counseling ... ask a psychologist?

[Tellurian]

111. Barak or BARRY?

what to do? Please tell us, oh, enlightened one..which is it?

[zulchzulu]

126. Did Barack say he was named after Barry White?

Swing.....and a big miss.....

:crazy:

[Enrique]

114. yeah, I remember that line of reasoning against Gore

it's EXACTLY the same.

Stupid then, stupid now.

[ShortnFiery]

115. No it's not, READ the NYT article cited above. She's a L I A R about even the simple things. n/t

[Tellurian]

118. Hey, you're out of ammo..put your gun down, go home and take a nap!

[ShortnFiery]

119. OMG Tellurian, not only are you a "Hillary Warrior" you want to be boss of me?

:P That's just plain sad. Don't cha know that ordering other Democrats around is like herding cats? Well, save for the dress-right-dress DLC. They rule. :eyes:

[William769]

120. He had ammo?

All I saw was blanks! :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

122. Wait, I have to catch my breath.

:rofl: :hi:

[Tellurian]

127. you have to humor the people who think they're omnipotent..

and are reporting a revelation to the masses. There was never any doubt S&F was shooting blanks..she just doesn't know when the jig is up and it's over. Yet, she refuse to tell..Is it Barak or Barry?

[Tellurian]

116. I couldn't agree more! People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

Because they may just get it back 10 fold..

and then the usual whine...what, another "smear" Tellurian...wah!

[ronnykmarshall]

177. Barry!

[cgrindley]

121. You know, some candidates have more to fear

from ad hominem attacks than others. Hillary's mother's cute little story about her daughter's first name is small beer indeed compared to the shit lesser candidates have actually done in their lives.

[ShortnFiery]

123. You're probably right - after all HRC's people admitted it was "a little white lie."

Of many more to follow? OK, the family loves to spread "white lies" ... I can't wait for the continuation of The Clinton Dynasty. :scared:

[cgrindley]

131. Let me guess

you support either Edwards or Kucinich

[smoogatz]

124. Well, that settles it.

I'm voting for Al Gore, if he runs. Oh, wait--I was going to do that anyway. While I'm here, let me just echo the sentiments of others in this thread who've taken a moment out of their busy days to say: congratulations, zulchzulu--this is the stupidest fucking dem-bash I've ever seen on DU. You should win a prize of some kind--an autographed copy of Ann Coulter's latest book, maybe.

[ShortnFiery]

125. No one called HRC any deplorable names. We just said that she LIED.

You may hate it but it's true and nothing like how Gore was taken out of context. :shrug:

[smoogatz]

134. My point is that the thing she allegedly lied about is totally fucking stupid.

Who gives a flying fuck? There are plenty of perfectly good reasons not to support HRC--her vote on the IWR and her contention that we need to be in Iraq for ten more years being at the top of the list, for me. Of all the potential reasons not to support her, your contention that she lied about why her mother named her Hillary would be, if true, the dumbest possible reason anyone has ever formulated for not supporting a presidential candidate, I'm pretty sure. Where she did or didn't get her name is even less important than the size of John Edwards' house or how much he pays for a haircut, if that's possible. Why isn't that obvious to you?

[ShortnFiery]

138. The NYTs is reliable news source, yes it's f**king stupid to lie about that. n/t

[smoogatz]

148. Apparently I'm not making myself clear. What I meant was,

it's a completely stupid fucking thing to care about, and amounts to the same kind of idiotic dem-bashing as the Edwards hair "stories." I'm interested in what they have to say about actual issues (like Iraq and health care and global warming, say). I am not at all interested in their hair, or where they got their names, or any of the other idiotic trivialities you and the media are obsessed with.

[ShortnFiery]

150. OK, when I filled out my paperwork for a security clearance, they would forgive ANY lie?

That's the point, not only was it considered a cute family *white lie*, an adult HRC attempted to pass it off to The Press in 1995. When they called her on the fact that she was born 6 years after the famous man, she LIED AGAIN by referencing some obscure American mountain climber. When confronted a third time, she had "her people" throw up their hands and, in essence, blame "MOM."

Lie - Lie - Blame Someone Else I see a disturbing pattern here.

It's not the level of THE LIE, but the act of lying TWICE (with an even more unbelievable story that she would have had to research) and then finally blaming her own mother that I find ultimately smarmy and despicable. :thumbsdown:

[smoogatz]

154. Yep--and Bill lied about getting a blowjob. Must run in the family.

Jesus Christ. Get a life.

[ShortnFiery]

156. Jesus Christ, don't you find people who LIE TO YOU disconcerting?!?

[smoogatz]

160. Apparently not as much as you do. And in fact no, I don't care if Bill lies

about a blowjob or Hillary lies about her name, because these are not matters of substance--any more than Edwards' apparent vanity in relation to his hair. The welfare of the nation is utterly unaffected by them, so who cares? Viewed in the context of the current administration and the magnitude of its lies and deceptions, of what consequence is Hillary's "lie" about her name? Viewed in the context, even, of Hillary's IWR vote and current stance on the war, I don't give a flying fuck if she says she was named by Martians or her fairy god-mother or a friendly she-wolf. It's idiotic to expect politicians to be more perfect, somehow, than everyone else. I want them to be smart, sane and capable, and honest when it comes to the nation's business. What they do on their own time couldn't possibly interest me less.

[ShortnFiery]

162. OK, I hope that I'm wrong: but when people lie about "little things" they may lie about anything. nt

[pnwmom]

170. If her mother told her a "little white lie" as you admitted, then Hillary wasn't

the one -- it was her mother.

[rinsd]

128. Gore lied about his mom's medications!

This is pathetic.

[ShortnFiery]

130. Really, Gore KNOWINGLY lied about his mother's medications or was it a memory thing?

HRC knew the truth before she made her statements to the press. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

147. Nice...now we try to avoid the issue by going after Gore...

Did Al lie about how he got his first name?

:crazy:

[rinsd]

149. This is just pathetic.

So what right wing sewer did you get the idea from?

[Forkboy]

135. This place is just getting sad.

I criticize the Dems a lot,but I do so because I truly believe we can,and have to,do better.I don't go trolling the internet looking for every single bad story I can find to make them look like shit just because I don't like one of them.

[ShortnFiery]

137. Yes, as a grown adult to lie about something so easily debunked is IMO "sad." n/t

[Forkboy]

139. It is sad.

Among many things.

[sinkingfeeling]

193. Do you have any other proof that HRC lied about this or only the articles above in the OP?

I want you to show me the proof you have that her mother didn't ever see the name 'Hillary' in print before giving her child her name or that her mother didn't 'make up' the cute little story and tell it to her.

[Tellurian]

179. Yeah, Debunk this LIE! From Obama's High School Yearbook!

POT-KETTLE?

At least Hillary's name is Hillary!

your argument is as false and ridiculous, as you are..

So,which is it?

BARRY OR BARAK?

[Forkboy]

184. oooooooooooooooooooooooooook

[Imagevision]

136. Will Hil go back to Hillary Rodham Clinton if she's elected? she dropped that quick!

[ElizabethDC]

167. She's still using it, actually

in campaign materials that I've received in the mail (fundraising letters, etc.) the stationary still says "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and it's signed "Hillary Rodham Clinton," etc.

[sampsonblk]

140. Silly ankle-biter thread-nt

[ShortnFiery]

141. What's hilarious is the number of people who defend the indefensible.

Hell, sure it was "a little white lie" but the ANGER from people who do NOT wish to believe that HRC is capable of such is astounding and speaks volumes.

IMO you won't let this thread die because you can't handle the truth about HRC: You don't want to ADMIT that she did LIE ... knowingly - as an ADULT woman - to the Press - NYT - 1995. :shrug:

[sampsonblk]

142. OK she lied

Her real lie is about the IWR. That ought to be brought up every day.

This? This is a silly waste of time by comparison.

[ShortnFiery]

143. Not true. Read the Snopes account? She tried to "cover it up" by claiming

her mother meant a more obscure nature lover, mountain climber. This second story is even more unbelievable. What's really sad is that, at the time of her lie and attempted cover up, she knew the truth. When she was caught she blamed "mother" - how thoughtful? :shrug:

No, such "little white lies" especially about inconsequential issues, IMO, speaks volumes about her lack of integrity. Again, if she'll LIE about insignificant facts, what else will HRC lie about?

[sampsonblk]

151. What else will she lie about???

I - W - R.

You know, like stuff that really matters.

[ShortnFiery]

153. You know, when a person LIES about something so personal and attempts to cover

for their first lie, I'm seeing a pattern that I don't like. Regardless of the source of the lie. NO, absolutely not, Bill Clinton should not have been impeached for sex.

However, call me a purist but I do not like bald faced liars and that includes both "big dog" and HRC. Again, if HRC will lie to you about something so damn simple ... not even legal ... WHAT ELSE will she lie to us about? That is very important to me. I've made my life study of human behavior in the fields of intelligence and psychology. I'm leveling with you based on my experience: Lying so openly twice and covering up "simple issues" is a SURE TELL that HRC will lie to us OFTEN and without conscious. :thumbsdown:

[sampsonblk]

161. I agree. You are definitely fiery.

I will permit you to win.

[DemSoccerMom]

187. OK. Wait. Let me get this straight.

Not ONLY are you a psychologist, but you're ALSO a fortune-teller.

Well, hot-damn. Business must be great. :sarcasm:

[ShortnFiery]

188. No, but I have worked in the area of counseling and I care when my leaders LIE and then cover-up.nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

145. What's hilarious is the number of people who will look to make

something out of nothing. Good God!

Don't like Hillary (for whatever reason)? Fine. Don't vote for her!!!

The whole thing is crap from the start and NO different than tactics like "Osama err... Obama" or "Barack HUSSEIN Obama". Who the fuck cares how she got her name in the first place, and what did she have to do with it in the second place?

outta here!

[ShortnFiery]

146. Read the f**kning news sources that prove HRC lied and covered. It goes to character. n/t

[maximusveritas]

152. I don't care

This sounds alot like the trivial nonsense that the Hillary people keep trying to pin on Obama. Like about him lying about the Life skin bleaching article.
Let's focus on the real issues please.

[ShortnFiery]

155. Did you read the news sources? n/t

[kskiska]

164. My great-aunt Rhodie told us we were descended from Kickapoo Indians

and I believed it for quite some time. She told my mother numerous stories when she was a kid. Years later she said, "You remember all those stories I told you? They were all lies."

[Tellurian]

180. Barry Obama's High School Year Book..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/18/181128/082

Do you know which name he's using today? Is it BARRY or BARAK?

When you Google Barry Obama, there are 100s of sites about it.

Do some homework first, before you start throwing stones!

Or are you really just obsessed and jealous over Hillary?

[kskiska]

181. Hey, I'm with you.

I'm waiting for the answer to that question, too.

[mainer]

183. And mom's "lies" aren't always even intentional

My mom just has a big imagination (and bad recall.) She claimed my grandfather was "a genius student in engineering school." So then I decided to write a term paper about him and got his college transcripts. He was a solidly C plus student! I was so disillusioned.

[DemSoccerMom]

182. Well, golly gee,

when I was in the sixth grade, I disliked my "traditional" and common middle name, so I made up a name, and told my friends that the M stood for "Malisha." Of course, that was total bullshit, and they knew it after a week or two.

OK. So *I* lied about my name, too. Does that mean I can never be president?

Of course, I'm not conceding that HRC did indeed *lie* about her name's origins. I believe it much more likely that her mother told her a story. Parents tend to do that, ya' know.

As for my first name, my mother's always told me that I was named for someone she graduated w/, and she just always liked the name. Is that true? I have no idea.

[madmom]

185. why is this even f*cking important??? With all the other stuff going

on in this world who the hell cares!

[ShortnFiery]

186. I care if my leaders lie to me ... yes, even if they are lying about sex under oath.

I don't trust EITHER Clinton to tell the truth. The fact that HRC not only lied but tried to cover it up does make this issue important to consider her integrity, or lack thereof. :shrug:

[madmom]

191. I care if my leaders tell me the truth too, but something as

inconsequential as this??? it's ridiculous how about pick your battles say like why did they lie about wmds or torture, how Hillary got her name won't make or break the US.The important things, issues, don't let campaigning get bogged down with this tripe.

[ShortnFiery]

195. That's my point. She lied when it didn't really matter and lied again to cover it up.

That is very telling with regard to revealing one's truthfulness about *all* issues.

http://www.healthleader.uthouston.edu/archive/Psychology/2005/littlewhitelie-0104.html

In everyday situations, however, it’s harder to justify lying, even seemingly harmless Little White Lies. And for those of us who employ them too often, Karff has this warning: “You don’t want to get into the habit of doing it when it’s not necessary. If you find yourself doing it constantly, you need to question what impact it has on the credibility of your word and what it represent in terms of your character.”

[madmom]

203. well healthleader and Karff can say what they will and have their

opinion but I still say it's making a mountain out of a mole hill and I would rather spend campaign time and money on important stuff, maybe her mother lied to her and she knows it and this is her way of dealing with it, who knows, it's not important enough to waste time on.

[ShortnFiery]

204. No, the way they "take no prisoners" in their campaigns, probably was just aberrations - white lies.

All Bill's secret sexual affairs since his early campaign days - and all the covers-up HRC was personally involved in ... well just add this small snippet that HRC was "glorifying her image" in order to make Americans believe "the LIE" that she was named after the famous mountain climber instead of "God knows who?" ... Yes, those within The Clinton Dynasty would never lie about anything truly important. :eyes: NOT! ;) :hi:

[madmom]

209. Bill Clinton's sexual affairs where just that HIS, they were none of our

business, I seem to recall he was acquitted on any charges of wrong doing,(oh and btw most people do lie about infidelity) and Hillary's cover ups, umm lets she she was charged and sentenced with what again? I'm not buying it, I agree with sinkingfeeling you'll have no body to vote for in '08 that perfect person has not been cloned yet!

[sinkingfeeling]

196. Guess you'll have no one to vote for in 2008.

[ShortnFiery]

197. No, IMO, you can't permit yourself to handle the cold hard truth. n/t

[treestar]

194. Maybe that's what her mom told her

Maybe Mom made up the story, or maybe Mom even knew and admired him.

At any rate, who cares? Even if Hills made it up she's not the first to spice up her background on something trivial like this. It doesn't mean she would lie from a position of trust about important matters.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

205. Have you no shame?

This kind of petty, pointless, vindictive, spiteful, silly, meaningless Democrat-bashing is something we really, really ought to be above.

Probably Hillary's mother *did* often tell her that, even if it wasn't true. But either way, it's got nothing whatsoever to do with her ability to run the country or her trustworthiness on matters of substances.

Go find a meaningful criticism of someone to draw attention to. Preferably someone who *isn't* quite likely to be America's best chance of avoiding four more years of Republican presidency. Or, even better, say something positive about someone.

[ShortnFiery]

208. Oh stop with the McCarthy style rhetoric.

We all know here that if Bill Clinton could have controlled his damn hormones instead of straying from HRC since his early campaign days, he would not have felt a need to LIE. Fair or NOT, the country would NOT have had to endure an Impeachment Process. :grr:

Thanks to Bill and Hill, part of the reason we can't PUSH THROUGH impeachment is because Bill "burned out the system." I blame the Republicans FIRST but Bill should NOT have lied. And for that I blame him for trashing our country within his last two years in office.

If HRC and Bill Clinton were average Jane and Joe Military Intelligence Officers, Bill's security clearance would have been pulled from him PERMANENTLY (for the rest of his life) - along with any hope of a career.

Yes, it does matter that you tell the truth about every DAMN thing when you're President. Having an cut-throat enabling spouse who follows and covers-up your infidelities doesn't make those who grant security clearances "warm and fuzzy."

Now I honestly ask you, why would you tolerate ... hell, even promote such persons to be elevated to the HIGHEST Office in our Country? Why? When there are people who don't feel a need to lie, TWICE?

[LeftishBrit]

211. "When there are people who don't feel a need to lie"

I would say that there are extremely few people who never feel a need to lie at all; and even fewer of these are in politics.

I am not a special fan of Hillary Clinton, but this issue seems like scraping the barrel for something to complain about. Lots of people have family myths about their names, ages, etc.

[zulchzulu]

212. Have you no brain?

Could you tell me how an Illinois homemaker named her baby in 1947 and knew about a New Zealand mountain climber whose story was never published in ANY American publication until Senator Clinton was 6 (1953)?

That was the excuse after people started wondering why the First Lady said to Sir Edmund Hillary that she was named after him. Except the minor detail that she was born 6 years earlier when he was not known in America...

Hey, if you believe that excuse...um...whatever. This is not the one example of how the Clintons lie. This is one of many.

I hate reruns. Especially bad ones.

[wisteria]

210. Anything for a possible vote! n/t

[anitar1]

216. Who really cares ? this seems as if another food fight may occur

here on DU.

[anitar1]

217. Yep--another food fight. How ridiculous. Gee whiz, this was such

an informative thread !! Not.

[AtomicKitten]

218. Haircut $400 -- B. Hussein Obama -- get the picture?

I don't really care about this stuff.

[ShortnFiery]

219. LOL, yes AK: The Picture is that - this freakin' thread keeps coming back like "JASON"

[AtomicKitten]

220. I suppose it's fodder for those who find it useful.

I don't really care about this kind of stuff. I just don't get into trash-talking of our candidates; it seems so incredibly retarded considering we have an epic battle with the GOP and MSM on the horizon. Oy vey.

I'm getting more and more involved in other projects that will hopefully impact my world, certainly more than posting on DU which usually just gives me indigestion.

Never surrender. :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

221. I'm glad you're doing well. You know me - tweaking and wondering why ...

"thou (HRC masses) protest-ith too much?" :evilgrin: :blush:
Best wishes to you AK. :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

225. back at ya

[zulchzulu]

222. I'll admit it...

...the story is more pitiful than meaningful.

The whole thing reminds me of some people who I can't stand who are constantly trying to one-up people that tell a story about something that happened.

Some people would hear a story about how you were in a car accident and the car got totaled and you had to walk 3 miles to get help. They would interject that they were not only in a car accident, but that they were hit by a prison bus sideways and then they had to walk 10 miles while dragging their feet and their poor little bloodied puppy on a newly tarred road where their feet got stuck in a nasty blizzard...you know the drill.

Why couldn't the First lady just say she was glad to meet Sir Edmund Hillary, shake his hand, get a hug and a photo. Heck, throw in an autograph.

But....No...that would be too simple. Why not lie about it and think people are too stupid to figure out her game. Then drag her mom in the mix to say that she was named after someone no one in America even knew about at the time.

That's what is pathetic.

As for this thread, I could waste time on other crap that gets my goat (mountain climbing imagery here), so I decided that I'm not going to pull this stuff out like how I've stopped dissing Kucinich.

Time is too short. If people want to support Senator Clinton in the primaries, have at it. When I meet the first person in real person who supports her fully, I'll make a note of it. After having met hundreds of people who either view her with disdain or just plain don't support her, it will be a memorable moment for me.

As of right now, I'm only going to comment on my preferred candidate. I'll do some "Ignore" management so I don't even see the stuff that makes me want to throw back what's going to be given if Senator Clinton is the nominee...which I am confident that she won't be.

I'm going to New Orleans for a bit starting this weekend and will focus on what really matters these days. And if I meet someone with a name similar to mine, I won't say my mom....eh...nevermind...

B-)

[ShortnFiery]

223. You make good sense zulchzulu. I hope you enjoy yourself in The Big Easy.

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

224. ahhhhhh

NOLA is a wonderful place to air out your head. Please tell the locals we are sorry for the neglect our country has shown them.

A former flame was convinced that if embellishing a story made it sound better, it was mandatory. Go figure. I can imagine living one's life out loud makes those stories subject to scrutiny and - voila - a faux crisis in a political campaign.

I'm just waiting patiently for Al Gore to jump in and all will be right with the universe.

Have a great trip. :hi:

edited for the happy waving guy

[choie]

226. Well, it's official. We have become that which we hate.

Jesus fucking Christ. So this is what we're gonna do, huh? We're gonna tear ourselves apart with the exact same sort of petty, embarrassing, feeble shit-tossing that any of Karl Rove's ratfuckers would be proud to produce? Awfully nice of us to save Karl on staff salaries -- his workers don't even have to show up to their offices. We're doing their jobs for 'em just fine, thanks.

I'm no HRClinton fan. You couldn't pay me to vote for her in the primaries. But this kind of dreck is utterly unworthy of whichever candidate you support.

Posting about Clinton lying about her name. Dear God, I'm ashamed for you. Fuck you for helping the Republicans do their dirty work.

[ShortnFiery]

227. Do you kiss your mother with "that mouth" choie?

"Fuck you for helping the Republicans do their dirty work."

Thanks for helping us to "fully breech" this great divide.

We have become that which we hate? In-fucking-deedy!

[zulchzulu]

228. I love your spunk, honey buns! I love you too!

Wanna dance?