Proof of Clinton Campaign connection to Hillaryis44.org?!?

[mckeown1128]

Now this could be nothing so please only light flaming required. :tinfoilhat: I saw this on the website:


Contribute Directly To Hillary Above -- Add .44 cents to the dollar amount of your Hillary For President Campaign contribution in order to let Hillary know of her grassroots support.

Every time the campaign sees .44 cents as part of the contribution, the Campaign will know the contribution comes from the real netroots/grassroots.


Does anyone know if putting .44 cents on a Clinton contribution is standard netroots/grassroots procedure for contributing websites?(I wouldn't know I don't contribute to Clinton) If it isn't, how would the Clinton campaign know of this little code if her campaign isn't in contact with those who run this website? If she does know who runs the website why isn't she publicly denouncing the websites dirty smear tactics against other Democrats?


Of course this could be nothing I would just like to know what everyone thinks. I am NOT claiming this is proof. Just asking if it is. :tinfoilhat:


http://www.hillaryis44.org/?page_id=2

[ShortnFiery]

1. Oh no, this must be a LIE. We know that HRC is the epitome of an honest politician.

:eyes:

[emilyg]

5. As honest as all the rest of them.

[rinsd]

2. Making odd donation amounts is fairly standard on the internet

Even campaigns do it.

Edwards ran a fundraiser this month centered around donations equaling his birthday.

[LoZoccolo]

3. That wouldn't necessarily be so.

If the site tries to widely publicize the .44 effort, then people in the campaign would likely find out about it. They could just email the campaign and say "if you see a bunch of donations that end in .44, they're from people from our site". Or even it could be that the campaign itself starts wondering what's going on with these .44 donations and asks around to find out.

[mckeown1128]

4. OK. If that is the case, should Clinton's Campaign...

accept the donations from such a site?

[Adelante]

6. Why not?

There is nothing wrong with the site. You should make Obama44.com and kick their asses :D

[mckeown1128]

7. I wouldn't make Obama44.com because I don't believe in

those type of tactics. And, yes there is much wrong with the site.

[rinsd]

9. self delete

[Adelante]

14. Noble sentiments, but not especially useful

in the middle of a primary campaign. I would think it more productive to have a site out there rebutting Hillary44 points so Googlers can come across them and learn about your candidate than to bemoan its existence here on DU. I have lower standards than yours, obviously, but I draw the line at lies. I didn't notice anything not backed by public record on Hillary44, although I only looked at it the once yesterday, so I could have missed any lies, I guess, but you can point them out to me if you wish. Now what I have a HUGE problem with is attempts at stifling free discussion in politics, whether it's on a message board such as this or a political blog or website. Whoever owns that site has a right to express opinions and make judgments. You would, too, if you had Obama44.com posting critically about other candidates. And I would defend your right to it.

[jefferson_dem]

8. Oh come now. Hillary, Wolfson, Penn and "da boys" wouldn't be up to any "dirty tricks"...

would they?

Move along... nothing here to see.

:sarcasm:

[jmp]

13. With her name on the site?

Please! Even Nixon wasn't that stupid.

[William769]

10. First you need to understand what 44 stands for.

But then again all these typing comandos that profess to know politics, don't know jack.

[mckeown1128]

11. Who said I don't know what 44 stands for?

What I am asking is how will the Clinton Camp know that the .44 comes from "real netroots/grassroots" aka hillaryis44.org

[William769]

12. Heres a little hint. do a simple search

"Whois lookup and Domain name search. :eyes:

[Greyskye]

15. That won't work

hillary44.org was registered through Domains by Proxy, Inc.

From their website:

Did you know that for each domain name you register, anyone -
anywhere, anytime - can find out your name, home address, phone
number and email address?

The law requires that the personal information you provide with every
domain you register be made public in the "WHOIS" database. Your
identity becomes instantly available - and vulnerable - to spammers,
scammers, prying eyes and worse.

But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy®!

[William769]

17. worked for me.

[Greyskye]

18. Here's the whois info. Show me anything useful.

Domain ID:D142590799-LROR
Domain Name:HILLARYIS44.ORG
Created On:30-Mar-2007 17:29:05 UTC
Last Updated On:30-May-2007 03:51:57 UTC
Expiration Date:30-Mar-2008 17:29:05 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-029692983
Registrant Name:Registration Private
Registrant Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:Arizona
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:[phone]
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[e-mail]
Admin ID:GODA-229692983
Admin Name:Registration Private
Admin Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Admin Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Admin Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:Arizona
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:[phone]
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:[phone]
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:[e-mail]
Tech ID:GODA-129692983
Tech Name:Registration Private
Tech Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Tech Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Tech Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Scottsdale
Tech State/Province:Arizona
Tech Postal Code:85260
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:[phone]
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:[phone]
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:[e-mail]
Name Server:NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
Name Server:NS2.BLUEHOST.COM

[auburngrad82]

24. If you search for the phone number listed in the whois file you get tons of stuff related to spam

Why would Hillary (or any reputable politican) want to be tied to an entity that is being sued as a spammer? Also, what ties does she have to Scottsdale, AZ? That's pretty conservative out there.

[Greyskye]

25. i'm sure that spammers use "domains by proxy, inc"

It is curious why someone with nothing to hide would do so, as it is certainly stirring up some interest.

The domain name was registered through an anonymous service out of Scottsdale AZ (domains by proxy, inc.). All of the contact info only has to do with this company. None of the visible information in the whois listing has anything at all to do with hillaryis44.org.

The poster I was replying to is simply blowing smoke out of his nether orifice.

[Greyskye]

20. still waiting

Please, I want to know what valuable information you got out of that whois listing. I want to be educated by your technical superiority.

Won't you please give me the benefits of your superior knowledge?

Thanks in advance! :yourock:

[Greyskye]

22. That's pretty much what I thought

Upthread, you said this to another poster:

But then again all these typing comandos (sic) that profess to know politics, don't know jack.

Due to your lack of response, I say this:

But then again all these typing commandos that profess to know technical issues, don't know jack.

[karynnj]

16. This doesn't prove any connection

This site is recommending that people add 44 cents - if many people did it it would be noticed and the campaign would have an idea of the strength of that site. This is no different than some people here suggesting in the case of more than one person who was not in the race to give $20.08, obviously to encourage these guys to run. I know that was not organized by the potential candidates,

[Capn Sunshine]

19. I think it's likely a coincidence

"44" is of course the number of the next president.

and the practice of adding pennies to indicate netroots donation started long ago.

[AZBlue]

21. Actually, this would prove that there isn't a tie.

If I ran hillaryis44.org, I'd be damn sure that there was a way for the official campaign to credit me for donations. I'd tell them to look for contributions ending in .44 and let them know that was through me. And, since contributions are public, I'd also check and see just how many ended in .44 myself to pat myself on the back and blow my own horn.

Now, if the Clinton campaign was indeed linked to hillaryis44.org, then they wouldn't need to designate a contribution coming from this site in any special way - they could just look at the links and clicks themselves and tell exactly how many came through hillaryis44.org. They'd have it all right there in front of them already.

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[PBass]

26. Has anyone asked Hillary's campaign if they are behind the website?

If not. why not?

If so, what did they say?

PLEASE, TRY TO USE SOME COMMON SENSE, PEOPLE. If Hillary was going to have a "covert" attack website in order to go after Obama, why would she put the name HILLARY on it?



:eyes:

[BenDavid]

27. And this really means what?