So what do we do about immigration now

[KKKarl is an idiot]

Now that the idiots in DC have defeated the bill: What happens to the 12-20 million immigrants in the US. Companies continue to exploit them by paying them lower wages. They are still operating against the established law. It seems like this was a calculated move by those who support big business to ensure the status quo does not change. We need to keep the dollars flowing. What happens to border security? Illegals will still be arriving here in their droves. Not much thought by these senators from the their right wing states. Once again the Christian thing has been done.

[Frogger]

1. Big business wanted

the bill to succeed. Then they could have more cheap labor instead of paying American wages to American workers.

I'm glad the bill failed. It was a disaster for the Left as much as the Right. Unions would be tking a huge hit, for example. New illegals would have poured in to take the place of the newly legalized ones, because now that they were legal, they could demand their rights.

Can't have that!!!

Enforce the current laws, then let's see what happens.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. Probably nothing. This was a comprise bill and about the best we'll ever see.

Unless, Bush can bash some more of his party's senators over the head, it won't be brought back to the floor.

And they even were smart enough to defend the removal of the path to citizenship that the RW hated so much, calling it amnesty.

[Vincardog]

3. You would have preferred giving them all SS cards and sending for all their relatives?

[sinkingfeeling]

6. Yes, because I don't see immigrants as a problem. If you so want them gone, then I hope you won't

mind your $4 a head of lettuce and that 3 out of every 4 restaurants will shut their doors, the revenue of states will drop, taking the stock market with it, more state and federal debt for your children and grandchildren to pay, etc.

[conservdem]

9. Will stopping more illigal immigrtion cause the same problems?

Why don't we start there.

[Vincardog]

11. Do you have any links for these RW talking points? OR did you just hear it on LushLimpballs show?

I stand in support of US working people. I stand opposed to the Fascist policies that force the labors off the land.

The answer is to repeal NAFTA CAFTA and the WTO. They promised a lot and delivered only death and destruction to working people.

It does no one any good to open our borders and drive our wages and standard of living down; no it does benefit the top 10% rat bastards.

[endarkenment]

13. Do you have any links for these RW talking points? OR did you just hear it on LushLimpballs show?

[Vincardog]

15. endarkenment who are you asking?

[pampango]

18. You must learn to live with fear.

Bush and the RW want you to live in fear of terrorists and all of the destruction they can cause. Some at DU want you to be afraid of illegal immigrants and all of the problems they cause. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

4. Here's a novel idea: How about enforcing the existing Immigration Laws? n/t

[murray hill farm]

8. Right!!!

If the employers, who incourage the illegal immigration in order to continue the existing slave labor that is imported from Mexico were punishihed by huge fines...and were carefully monitored, then there would be no illegal immigration problem. But we all are responsible here...if the ag industry had to pay even minimum wage for its millions of workers, which it does not now do, our food prices would go way up.....so, we continue to blame the victims. It is simple really. Bite the bullet, force the employer to pay a wage that americans will work for (and it will not be min. wage), accept the higher food prices...and problem is over. This is not a Mexican problem, it is the Mexican solution..and no matter how we spin it, it is still decades of american exploition in order to line the pockets of the wealthy americans who hire illegals or reap the benefits.

[old guy]

14. Glad I read down far enough.

I support you 100% on that. All the laws in the world won't matter a bit if we don't enforce them.

[MADem]

5. Kick the can down the street, maybe?

Watch while another seven hundred thousand to a million come over the border?

Listen to the GOP bitch about the Do Nothing Democratic President in 09, whosoever he or she may be...assuming Bloomberg doesn't fuck it up by jumping in, and maybe hand the race to someone cretinous like Romney????

[BushOut06]

7. Here's a novel idea - open the borders, legalize everyone!

I find it repugnant that we want to make CRIMINALS out of people who want to come here for no other reason than to make their lives better, and to help their families out. Isn't this the exact same reason why so many of our ancestors came to this country? Most of our ancestors didn't have to jump through so many hoops - they simply came on over. It wasn't until relatively recently that we started closing the borders, and restricting who could come in, and who couldn't.

[fasttense]

10. The exploited people from foreign countries will have to wait

along with the exploited citizens of the United States for our government to work it's way free from the greedy grasp of corporations.

The bill would have simply maintain the status quo too. But the legislature would have pretended they had fixed the problem. There were no real teeth in the bill to hold corporations accountable and another 300,000 HB-1 Visa indentured servants for Billy boy and his cohorts to enslave.

No the bill was worse than nothing, it would have given corporations everything they wanted and bush's base, the haves and have mores, would be patting each other on the back, smoking their Cuban cigars, knowing they had played We The People just once more.

[endarkenment]

12. Welcome our new neighbors. Learn a new language.

Try some new food. Listen to new kinds of music. Celebrate life.

Michoacán or Michigan? Who cares?

[sinkingfeeling]

16. Right on!

[TwilightGardener]

17. Now, we do nothing. There, that's better, isn't it?