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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:05 PM
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Clinton and Edwards don't favor impeachment for Bush/Cheney
Linda was a little more on topic, and confronted Clinton with the question of Impeachment. Clinton tilted her head with a wry smile and said “Well, I certainly sympathize with the (Impeachment) sentiment!” She turned to us and smiled adding “We’re going to impeach them in November 2008!”

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=25832


Asked by a questioner why he didn't support impeaching Vice President Dick Cheney, Edwards said, "I totally understand the feeling" but said he thought Democrats' energy could be better spent "moving the country forward."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/7270171.html


Just wanted to make sure that everyone knows that all three top tier presidential candidates are against impeachment. Which is what they have to do to win in the GE next year.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:09 PM
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1. Looks like they're smoking what Obama is
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:10 PM
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2. It is called "Cannibus of ElectUS" nt
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:13 PM
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29. .
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 01:15 PM by jsamuel
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:53 AM
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35. Nope. Obama thinks Bushco hasn't commited enough grave crimes
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:12 PM
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3. How sad. n/t
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:28 AM
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34. Sad indeed. But impeachophobics WANT to be saved.. . .
. . .whether they know it or not.

But denial is a powerful thing. Some serious intervention and "tough love" required.

Or the poor things will be paying a far higher price than they paid for their support of the Authorization to Use Military Force. Not to mention the unimaginable price the nation will pay (and has paid) for the so-called "leadership's" refusal to impeach.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:15 PM
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4. There is the difference (which is what upset me about the Obama
answer) that Obama does not think that Bush or Cheney have committed "grave" crimes. How could he think that? What is a grave crime in his book? He needs to go back and explain his answer. I know that all the candidates are going to make a faux pas now and then, but then they need to be sure to clarify their ideas or it will cost them.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:18 PM
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5. I agree nt
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:29 PM
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8. There is no difference they ALL came to the same conclusion
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 04:30 PM by Ethelk2044
All Three Clinton, Edwards and Obama ALL made the same decision.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:45 PM
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16. How do you know he thinks that?
The AP article didn't directly quote him, so there's no way of telling what he really said or meant.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:19 PM
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6. Spoken like a loser
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 04:20 PM by Perry Logan
:(
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:24 PM
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7. They don't get it. You can't fix things if the root cause of the problem is still there.
This kind of talk makes me realize that there really is little difference between the parties. The real divide is politician/non politician. Buzz....we lose.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 04:29 PM
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9. Its obvious as to why all 3 candidates oppose impeachment, because they are hoping...
to be President themselves, and the LAST thing they would want is to actually be accountable for their actions in office. They are being selfish, period. I don't see why it should be more complicated than that.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:31 PM
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10. KICK
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eweaver155 Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:56 PM
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11. They are smoking the same thing.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:58 PM
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12. Neither does Conyers or Feingold...
It could change depending on what happens with recent subpoenas regarding the FISA "problem" Bush has had.


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eweaver155 Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:19 PM
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13. Did not know about conyers and Feingold
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:55 AM
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37. Even saintly Feingold doesn't want to impeach.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:23 PM
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14. Not everyone is hung up on impeachment
I don't know for a fact but I'd bet most of the candidates share the same view. Kucinich being the obvious exception.
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mrigirl Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:43 PM
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15. someone might
I can think of one Presidential candidate for the Dems who has already called for impeachment of the Bush Admin. A lesser known candidate for sure- but a political bulldog who won't be bullied by Bush and his cronies.
JOE BIDEN!!!!!!!
Has everyone forgot about him?????
If we want a president who can work well w/ Republicans and Dems alike he's the guy. As a moderate Democrat Biden could create a Bi-partisan government this country needs to actually get something accomplished during the next presidency.
All of you Hillary/Obama/Edwards supporters should think twice before electing a candidate who may not be strong enough to defeat the Republicans. Biden can hold his own in any forum. We need a foreign policy expert and a compassionate President who doesn't have corporate America in their pocket. Someone who actually cares about the middle class.
Biden may be the underdog in this race- but he's the smartest and most qualified and not afraid to go after the crooks who have destroyed our faith in the Presidency.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:55 AM
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18. I like Biden too.
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 12:00 PM by slick8790
He impressed me at the second debate. Not my first choice (i'm an edwards guy), but we could do far worse.

*edit* although, now that i'm watching the footage of the third debate, that remark about getting tested for AIDS, and Obama getting tested for AIDS kinda made me cringe...
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 03:00 PM
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31. Biden voted for the war.
Thus, he is disqualified from consideration.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:49 AM
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17. I don't care what they think. If they were investigating more & campaigning less...n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:56 AM
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19. Protecting a fellow CFR member
The boys always take care of their own.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:51 PM
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25. even when they are not boys .
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:09 PM
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30. It's how they behave that counts
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 02:11 PM by formercia
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:59 AM
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20. This is why our politicians are so sleazy and corrupt.
Once they're elected, they do whatever they want to do. They know that the old guard thinking will protect them, because, once the other side gets in, they'll receive the same courtesy.

Well, in Hillary's case, she should know better.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:08 PM
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21. two more candidates
i've got no use for
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:09 PM
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22. They should be forced to attend some funerals of the soldiers that have been killed in Iraq.
That would take the starch out of their wry smiles.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:32 PM
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23. Nooo! Not the saintly Edwards! Must be a mistake! He soo perfect!
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 12:33 PM by The Count
I refuse to believe! What are you? A RW-er or sumpthin?
How dare you?:+
Wait for his operatives to jump in and tell us why impeachment is a bad, bad thing!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:50 PM
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24. It's not about "feelings". But i understand their defensiveness. They don't give a shit
about the rule of law, they voted for the criminal Iraq War Resolution... and we suffer today because of their actions.
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realbluesky Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 12:58 PM
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26. History will judge
History will judge this time period, not by the excesses and lawlessness of the repubs, but by the weakness and timidity of the democrats.

Just let the criminals go free.

How immoral. How wrong. How loserish.......
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 12:53 AM
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39. Very well said.
And history often repeats itself when we don't pay attention and learn from it, which we usually don't. I wish more Congressional members of both parties would put aside their party label for a moment and remember they are there to protect and serve our country through their roles. That's what they agreed to when they signed their oaths when they entered office and that is what they get paid for.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:00 PM
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27. The Bushistas are not a legitimate adminstration
How can you impeach something that is already outside of the law?

I doubt if that is what these weenie candidates are basing their actions upon, but thought it was an interesting point.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:13 PM
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28. .
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 01:15 PM by jsamuel
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 04:35 AM
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32. Dismissing It As "Sentiment" and "Feeling" Is Insulting
Then to be glib and euphemistic is further patronizing.

It's exactly this "politics as usual" attitude that will allow the neofascists to keep it close enough to steal (again) in 2008.

But there's still time for an "Impeach Bush Now" candidate (Dean II) to get into the race and sweep the primaries.

We shall see.

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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:54 AM
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36. There is no such candidate, and Al Gore does not support impeachment
Good luck there.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 12:35 AM
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38. Actually, any one of them could become "that candidate"
At any time.

As for Gore, his current rhetoric (and book) are about as close as I've seen yet to "getting it" in a major political figure. And that includes Gov. Dean these days (though he's obviously under constraints).

But Gore's the one "current candidate" that would have to go beyond just impeachment to get the same effect, since it was his personal failure in 2000/2001 that launched this downward spiral in the first place. He needs to come clean on that as well.

Even more interesting would be if Mayor Bloomberg came to see the wisdom of becoming the impeachment candidate.

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thedeanpeople Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:25 AM
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33. <delete>
Edited on Sat Jun-30-07 10:26 AM by thedeanpeople

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 02:40 AM
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40. I guess
even though I expect them to favor it, I realize they're politicians (Obama's proving that to me, when I used to consider him not one of "them"), and they have to think ahead. I guess we'll just need to watch what they say they support. I feel FAR too many people are dead set on a candidate, I've only eliminated one that I would never go and vote for, and the rest are all people I would consider working for, walking the streets, holding up signs, etc...

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff
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