Barring a serious blunder on her part, Hillary will win the nomination

[Herman Munster]

She controls her own destiny. Like a baseball team that only needs to win 2 out of 3 games left in the season to clinch the pennant.

The only thing I can see derailing her nomination is a serious self-inflicted mistake and she's so disciplined and well-prepared that I just don't see it happening.

But if it does, Obama, Edwards, et. al. are there to pounce on her. Otherwise, she wins the nomination in a cake walk.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Yukari Yakumo]

6. What's good with crow?

Current outlook:


Trends analysis:


Barring a catastrophic collapse of the HRC campaign, the nom is all but hers.

For as much money Edwards has poured into Iowa, he still can't pull away from HRC. And his lead in his own home state has been steadily trending downward. I doubt he'll make it to the primaries.

Obama and Gore are the only ones right now who has any hope of challenging HRC, but even now those hopes are fading fast.

[Alamom]

30. Nice map.

edit to add;


You should post it on a seperate thread.

[TwilightGardener]

2. I am inclined to agree at this point. She's damn good.

[Yukari Yakumo]

10. And I think she's Swift Boat-proof

I think all of her skeletons have already been exposed.

[Herman Munster]

22. exactly

people talk about her high negatives well she has no where to go but up and even if she is at 52% negative ratings which I don't believe, she only needs to flip 3% and after her debate performances she can easily do this.

Compare that to people like obama and edwards that have god only knows what skeletons in their closets and can have shaky debate performances and honestly have no where to go but down once the republican slime machine gets going.

It's much easier to swiftboat an unknown candidate than a known candidate like Hillary. I mean they've already accused Hillary of orchestrating the muder and cover-up of her supposed lover vince foster? I mean what else is there to say about Hillary we haven't already heard?

[earthlover]

33. kerry's were exposed prior to 04 too....

But most democrats then could not believe he would be swift boated.

They. Were. Wrong.

Hillary not swiftboated? What is your source for that good stuff you are on?

[ginnyinWI]

3. I wouldn't predict anything this early.

Remember Howard Dean. Edwards may well be the dark horse who charges ahead at some point. Or Obama.

I have no personal pick as yet. Just sayin'.

[churchofreality]

4. She is looking great so far.

She will win easily.

[Herman Munster]

5. yes

just like she did in both of her NY senate runs. Remember all the months of coverage on how her re-election was going to be hard and the republicans and even Giuliani were going to do everything they could to damage her prior to a presidential run?

She has a long history of making her detractors look like fools. :)

[Totally Committed]

7. So says you... why should people even vote? Let's just crown her now.

This "Hillary is inevitable" bullsh*t is getting so g.d. tiresome, annoying, and disrespectful. It's like her camp is the Borg, and we will all choose to assimilate and be absorbed, or they will do it for us.

You are not doing her any favors with these endless "inevitability" threads.


TC

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Bingo.

I remember a lot of elections where a particular candidate was identified as "inevitable" -- and didn't get nominated.

But what the hell; why vote at all if Hillary is inevitable? Let's all just pack up and go home. Let's not even listen to what all the other un-inevitable candidates have to say because they won't make any difference. All hail to the Hillary juggernaut. Right. Saves me the bother of paying any more attention to the primaries or even showing up to vote. Whoopee, it's Hillary. Move along, folks; there's nothing to see here.

[Yukari Yakumo]

9. The situation has changed

Before, no one really paid attention to the primary race.

Today, everyone is paying attention.

Because of that, it's going to be very difficult to pull off a surprise victory. Especially if your candidate is having trouble fundraising (Edwards) or just not finding any traction with the voters (Everyone not named HRC, Obama, or Gore).

[Herman Munster]

11. nobody is inevitable

but if hillary campaigns in the next 8 months like she has the past 6, she will win convincingly. Period.

Honestly, the only thing I can see that causes her to lose the nomination is bill gets caught cheating again. And even if that happens, all Hillary has to do is immediately file for divorce, go on 60 minutes and verbally kick his ass and shows him the door, millions of women will say "go girl" and "right on sister" and she still wins in a cakewalk.

[peacebird]

25. There is a strong hatred of HRC in this country. There is a core group of

conservative Christians who despise her and will be energized to vote just to defeat her. There is also a group of liberal progressives who will not vote for her.

I believe the DLC wants her win or lose. The DLC wins either way - big bidness will be well supported either way.

I just do not think she can win the general election even if she DOES take the nomination - far too many people just simply cannot stand her.

[Lefty-Taylor]

13. Totally Committed, you're absolutely right!! It's way too early. Let's hope

someone else emerges who has more integrity. HRC leans so far to the middle, she spills into the right.

[Arugula Latte]

36. Hey, Lefty-Taylor -- Shut up and submit to the No-Choice-But-Hillary brainwashing already!

Ve haf vays of dealing vith de people like you! :spank:


;) :hi: :*

[rinsd]

15. It wouldn't bother you so much it it weren't true.

:-)

[AtomicKitten]

12. Unless Al Gore jumps in -- then all bets are off. n/t

[draft_mario_cuomo]

14. Dean looked inevitable even a week before Iowa

And HRC is being designated inevitable in the summer of 07'?

It is amusing to see the war between HRC/BO fans with "HRC is inevitable" threads going up against a fleet of "HRC can't win" threads. ;)

[Herman Munster]

18. the thing is Dean was an insurgent candidate

without the support of the establishment. I think people are getting the 2008 election all wrong. 2004 is a horrible comparison.

2000 is much more comparable. Hillary Clinton has all the institutional advantages Al Gore did in 2000 as an incumbant. There are just 7 Bill Bradley's this time instead of one.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

Obama has the media on his side, unlike Dean and Bradley

That is a huge asset. A stronger Obama means a weaker Clinton.

[Herman Munster]

24. so did gary hart in 1988

the golden boys can implode too.

[ClassWarfare2008]

31. Hart was most likely sabotaged, and not necessarily by himself.

I find it very strange that Donna Rice resurfaced a few years after the "Monkey Business" incident as a religious reich anti-porn crusader. I suspect she was playing for their team all along. That, of course doesn't excuse Senator Hart's lousy judgment in these matters. Us men sometimes think with the wrong head.

[earthlover]

34. hillary has been shoved down our throats as inevitable for years now....

Obama has enjoyed good press too. Dean was totally the media darling until he lost in Iowa, then the media turned on him. Much like they will turn on Obama and Hillary when the time comes.

I think Gore could win this thing decisively if he decides to run. His appeal no longer depends on the media. He has taken his case to the people.

[pacalo]

16. I'm speaking as one who adored -- yes, adored -- Hillary during Bill's term...

Thinking about how the media hammered & hammered on the Clintons when Clinton was president, I have to wonder several things: why aren't the media dredging up the old dead horses they beat to death 24/7 for 8 years; what gives Hillary the confidence & fearlessness to aspire to go through another well-financed smear job?

My red flags are up & it has to do with those questions; I'm wondering if Bill & Poppy's "friendship" is some kind of business deal. Look at the less-than-mesmerizing candidates on both sides; it makes me suspicious that it's a "done deal". Bill Clinton & his charisma were so powerful that, had he rallied the Democratic base beyond its current level of anger, perhaps he could have made a big difference in making changes (like impeachment). Instead, he has chosen to keep silent. Jimmy Carter has spoken out, Ford spoke out.

I still like Hillary, but I've been less than pleased with her head-in-the-sand approach in regard to the worst, most contemptible administration in perhaps all history.

[madrchsod]

17. yes she will and probably by a large margin

i have no doubt that she will win the primary and has a good chance to win the presidency.

[MrSlayer]

19. And then we lose an almost impossible to lose general election.

Let's hope this doesn't happen.

[KatyaR]

26. Amen to that.

The Right will tear her to pieces--you think they were hard on Bill? Wait till they turn both barrels on Hillary. The Left will never be able to recover. Too many people hate the Clintons to ever allow her to be elected.

I'm thoroughly convinced that if she wins, we may NEVER be able to get another Democrat elected President.

[Herman Munster]

27. ridiculous comment

they've already accused her of orcestrating the muder of her supposed lover vince foster? WTF else are they goint to say about her that hasn't already been said?

It's just a big yawn to the american public.

[KatyaR]

32. I just think they'll go after her like they've never done before.

The American public at large seems to love bashing the Clintons, so I don't think it would take that much to convince people they eat babies for breakfast.

Just my opinion--I may be wrong.

[earthlover]

35. oh please

it is not a yawn to the American public. It might be a yawn to you. They have been laying off Hillary for awhile now. For a reason. Yes, many of the memes have already been well planted. All it will take is a little reminding. Hillary is a known quantity, that is NOT a good thing with regard to swift boating. She can't reinvent her image, it is already there, like a sitting duck, to be shot out of the water.
It won't be fair, just like shooting a sitting duck is bad sport, but she will still be dead as a mallard with a pound of shot in her butt when the time comes.

[sendero]

20. Barring Al Gore..

... entering the race, maybe.

[saracat]

21. Hah! Thats what they said about Lieberman in 2004!

[ShortnFiery]

23. HRC supporters? WTF is this stunt? "The Borg"? - this is shallow posturing hype with NO Delivery

:thumbsdown:

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Nawww! Not a stunt.

Just something to get y'alls hornets nests stirred up.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Sorry Hermy baby ..... but I don't see it.

I don't think at ALL that Hillary's going to just walk to the nomination.

[rufus dog]

37. It is June people

Second time I have used that subject. Democrats love the underdog or the non establishment candidate. Gore could jump in and name Obama as a running mate, numerous other scenarios, hold off on appointing her for at leas another six months when the first primary vote is cast.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. of 2007!!

This whole campaign is starting WAY too early.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. Thats what the media was saying about Howard Dean

Hillary has nearly universal name recognition and that's a huge advantage at this early stage. Look for more people to start paying serious attention after Labor Day and then again after New Years.

[rufus dog]

39. and here is what they will do

From Hannity Forum

Re: Do Hillary Clintons abortions help or hurt her chances in her run for Pr3ZiD3n+?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by conphu1
She's had abortions?

yeah 2.


Thats what they say anyway.

I guess we will vet that out when she runs.

[sampsonblk]

40. Good analysis, I think