Hillary Clinton denies that she’s a Marxist, but she sure talks like one.

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2007/07/06/hillary%e2%80%99s_ultra-left_campaign_speak&Comments=true

Hillary’s Ultra-Left Campaign Speak
By Amanda Carpenter
Friday, July 6, 2007
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Hillary Clinton denies that she’s a Marxist, but she sure talks like one.

While campaigning for the Democratic nomination for President, Clinton has said “something has to be taken away from some people” to advance her political goals and lauded billionaire investor Warren Buffet as a “patriot” because he wants to pay more taxes.

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2007/184/[e-mail]
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks during a rally, Monday, July 2, 2007, at the Iowa state fairgrounds in Des Moines, Iowa. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

Clinton strives to maintain a moderate image in public appearances, but she’s prone to making an occasional unscripted remark that reveals her true nature as a hard-line liberal ideologue.

Here is a compilation of such statements Hillary Clinton has made on the campaign trail over the past month:

“An uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact. So what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. And that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground. The same with energy. You know, we can’t keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil and the need to deal with global warming and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God’s creation and just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.” - June 4, CNN’s Sojourners Presidential Forum

FULL story at link.

I can't wait to see some replies on this. :-)

[ronnykmarshall]

1. Well here's Miss Houston's responce!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GiffqAc9RI

[Bake]

15. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I love that clip!!!!!

Bake

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I wish!

[pnwmom]

70. Her actual voting record has always put her among the most progressive

in the Senate. The Republicans are more accurate in their assessment of her leftward leanings than many DUers are.

[BushOut06]

3. What's wrong with being a Marxist?

Other than the fact that it's been demonized by greedy capitalists who want to continue exploiting the working class, and keeping the lions share of the profits to themselves. Marxist ideology really has never gotten a fair chance; the United States has done its darnest to bankrupt and destroy any Marxist movement.

[RufusTFirefly]

4. Does someone have a problem with Marx?

Why, that's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

Rivers flow backwards
Valleys are high
Mountains are level
Truth is a lie
Hillary's Marxist
'cause "they" say it's true
And the sky is green and the grass is blue

[BootinUp]

5. Doesn't she keep a

hammer and sickle on a red background in her office or something. I'm sure I have heard that. :sarcasm:

[muntrv]

6. And Chimpy denies that he's a corporatist, but he sure acts like one.

[wyldwolf]

7. I'll admit. I was a big fan of Marx in college

Part of me always will be.

[ronnykmarshall]

10. and not WHITNEY???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GiffqAc9RI&mode=related&search

[wyldwolf]

12. I remember every moment of those endless summer nights... BUT...

... I shoulda' know better!

[Crunchy Frog]

72. I was a HUGE Marx fan when I was a kid.

"Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho."

[muntrv]

8. Yep, Hillary's a Marxist, never mind that she sat on Wal-Mart's board of directors.

[Alamom]

22. & "when" was that?

Clue: Ancient history.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. muntrv was boosting your candidate. nt.

[RufusTFirefly]

41. 1986-1992: Right up until Bill was elected President

If you think that's ancient history, you must be very young.

[Alamom]

55. No, old enough to personally know people who worked there 15

years ago, prior to Sam Walton's death in 1992 and his heirs taking over. The people I know who worked there thought it was a great place to work...better pay, insurance, stock options and good hours compared to other jobs in the same category.

HRC worked for womens rights as a director just as she has done her entire career. She pushed for more women in management positions, investigated possible discrminatory hiring practices and also addessed environmental concerns. She was involved with programs such as oil & battery return for recycling & building energy saving stores. There is more, but I'm writing from memory......
15 years is a long time ago and she did try to improve the "place" while she was there.
It's what she does.


BTW, the people I know who worked there have quit over the years, many with a lot of seniority. It has become a snake pit with the vipers who have been in charge for about...... 15 years.

[Hippo_Tron]

68. From everything I've read about Wal-Mart, I think you are correct

[Double T]

9. A little socialism is good for this country. Unfortunately many Americans.......

aren't willing to make personal 'sacrifices' for the greater good of ALL, so maybe THEY won't have the 'choice' anymore.

[Big Pappa]

21. "so maybe THEY won't have the 'choice' anymore"

You don't find that a litlle disturbing?

[ProudDad]

59. Yeah, lousy Marxists

Then people won't have a choice between:

buying crap at Wal-Mart, Target or K-Mart...

Or Safeway and ....

Or between a Hummer, Escalade or Explorer

Or a choice between two Phone companies, telephone companies or internet providers who both charge exactly the same.

Or a choice between brands of gasoline that all charge about the same...

Or a choice between different affordable brands of "health insurance"... :sarcasm:

Or a choice of meaningful work to incorporate into an enjoyable seamless life of labor, play and fellowship...

Need I go on?


Choice in Amerika is a sham, a con...don't fall for it...

[barack4prez]

11. Hillary has

lost the ability to discern that some things she says will ruin her with too many voters. Whether what she says is right is irrelevant. It's too theoretical. But she's become so self absorbed that she doesn't understand that some things that come from her mouth offend enough people to hurt her chances.
We need someone new. Obama.

[Alamom]

23. I guess that's the reason she leads in nearly every poll and has for months...

:eyes:

[Sparkly]

13. Does anybody have the FULL CONTEXT of this quote?

Seems to me when she said "political consensus," she was talking about CONGRESS people "giving up a little bit" and having some things "taken away" in order to pass bills. I can't know without seeing it in full context -- which is rightwingers' all-time FAVORITE ploy.

[bunkerbuster1]

14. Here's a 46 second clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xHYEAJJmt0

Fair amount of context.

Of course, the knuckle-draggers who read that fascist Townhall.com site are going to hate HRC no matter what the context.

[Sparkly]

17. I'd still need to hear what she said before this...

What the question was, too.

I think it's being dragged out because ANYthing involving "giving something up" for the good of all is a major scary HOT button for cowardly rightwingers.

[bunkerbuster1]

18. What do these ignorant douchebags imagine insurance to be?

What fuckin' weirdos. Shared risk. Some people pay more so that others don't get clobbered. Duh.

[Doctor_J]

39. You'd expect something fair/rational at townhall.com?

i wish the OP would have put in the subject line that (s)he was posting a dispatch from the loony fringe.

[Jed Dilligan]

16. Anyone with a brain is a Marxist.

He explained how the capitalist economy works. No one disputes that. It's what you do with his knowledge that's an issue. You can be a Bolshevik, or a free market fundamentalist Iraq-bomber. Or, you can sit somewhere in the happy middle where the rich pay more taxes but are still allowed to be rich. Take your pick.

[Joe Chi Minh]

34. And a heart - the only lubricant of the brain that actually works for

the long term, as well as the short and the medium.

[NoPasaran]

19. If Hillary gets in the WHite House, the kulaks are in for it!

[ellisonz]

24. In Soviet America, Everyone is a Winner!

You Win!

:woohoo:

[JVS]

28. In Soviet America game wins you!

[Hippo_Tron]

67. Damnit you beat me to it

[JVS]

27. fucking kulaks!

[Joe Chi Minh]

36. It's difficult to draw confidence from Hillary's words here, in view of her

hitherto unimpeachable Beltway credentials. Not to speak of her closeness to Mr Matalan. Can't think of his name.

Though it's certainly not my ideal, I'm not sure atheistic Commonism could be worse than what we have (atheistic slave-consumerism). Even so, it sure warms my heart to see Americans competing to defend old Karl and his insights!

[AZBlue]

20. Good!

[ShortnFiery]

25. What's truly sad is the fact that HRC is proving to be a Corporatist.

It's really bizarro that the right wing is so damn afraid of HRC "moving left" when, in reality, she's not left or right, but a proven crony capitalist to the core.

So as the right wing erroneously despise her for the incorrect image of HRC's leftist bent, those of us left-of-center are all too well aware of the continuous insider DLC deal making that will return Bubba's boys and girls in to run The Executive Branch. But unfortunately, working people are suffering and "The Stock Market" being stable is not going to stop their jobs from moving to China ... and neither will Bubba's boys tasked to help President HRC. They will be prettier and talk sweeter, but it's still fascism with "warm lyrics" sung by Fleetwood Mac. :(

[CoffeeCat]

38. No doubt...

You are spot on. Hillary is a corporatist. She's taking money
from big oil, big pharma, the health-insurance companies and scores
of other industries.

I often think this "Hillary is a leftist!" nonsense is propaganda,
catapulted out to the masses to draw sympathy and support from those
on the left. The hard right is ALWAYS trying to position her
as a liberal. I've never heard a liberal or a progressive define
Hillary as a liberal. If Hillary is a liberal then Charles Manson is an
etiquette coach.

This is just more right-wing, Rovian propaganda--spewed from one of
their publications--in an attempt to create a reality that just
doesn't exist.

They want Hillary on the Dem ticket soooooo bad.

[LeftishBrit]

26. Marxist?

'An uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact. So what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. And that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground.'

Wow just wow. That's Marxist? You mean like such celebrated Communist politicians as Heath, Macmillan, Giscard, Chirac - and even Maggie Thatcher, who eroded the NHS and the Welfare State but did not dare to consider abolishing them?

This isn't about being Marxist; it's about common decency and having moved on a little from the early 19th century.

[RufusTFirefly]

31. You apparently don't understand our distinct American syllogisms

We've been plagued by variations of this logic for generations:

Major premise: The Civil Rights movement seeks equal rights for people of all colors and creeds.
Minor premise: Communists support the Civil Rights movement.
Conclusion: The Civil Rights movement is a Communist plot.

[Sparkly]

35. I got one!

Roses are red.
Reds are Communists.
Roses are Communists.

[Bjorn Against]

42. My god you're right! I demand Congressional hearings now...

Everybody who has bought roses must be dragged in front of a Congressional committee led by our successor to Joseph McCarthy! Those local florists are out to destroy America, they must be stopped immediately.

[Progressive Friend]

73. RE: Marxist?

In the US, Republican propagandists often refer to anyone that is to the left of their party as being "Marxists", "Communists!" or "those commies"... it is a remnant of the McCarthyist repression of the 1950s. For example, millions of right-wing crazies here really believe that Bill Clinton is "a Communist".

[Sparkly]

30. Do they consider Jesus a Marxist?

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

And no, I'm not comparing Clinton with Jesus. I'm comparing rightwingnuts with idiots (and finding them the same).

[RufusTFirefly]

32. No, no. Jesus was a religious entrepreneur and spiritual freemarketeer

[Sparkly]

33. Of course!

He looked upon the sick, the poor, the children, and said unto them: "Hey, SOME people WORK for a living!!!"

[Joe Chi Minh]

37. Love it! Both!

[ShortnFiery]

40. Jesus (Lives forever for some as part of The Trinity) is a Long-Haired Radical Socialist Jew!

LONGHAIRED RADICAL SOCIALIST JEW

(THE GOSPEL SONG)

by Hugh Blumenfeld, 1996

Well, Jesus was a homeless lad
With an unwed mother and an absent dad
And I really don't think he would have gotten that far
If Newt, Pat and Jesse had followed that star
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

When Jesus taught the people he
Would never charge a tuition fee
He just took some fishes and some bread
And made up free school lunches instead
So let's all sing out praises to
That long-haired radical socialist Jew

He healed the blind and made them see
He brought the lame folks to their feet
Rich and poor, any time, anywhere
Just pioneering that free health care
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Jesus hung with a low-life crowd
But those working stiffs sure did him proud
Some were murderers, thieves and whores
But at least they didn't do it as legislators
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Jesus lived in troubled times
the religious right was on the rise
Oh what could have saved him from his terrible fate?
Separation of church and state.
So let's all sing out praises to
That longhaired radical socialist Jew

Sometimes I fall into deep despair
When I hear those hypocrites on the air
But every Sunday gives me hope
When pastor, deacon, priest, and pope
Are all singing out their praises to
Some longhaired radical socialist Jew.

They're all singing out their praises to....
Some longhaired radical socialist Jew.

[bvar22]

43. Hillary a Marxist???!!!!

:rofl:

I'm not even sure Hillary is a Democrat.

[IndianaGreen]

52. To the GOP, anyone to the left of Hitler is a Marxist

Hillary represents the interests of Wall Street more than she does Main Street, if she ever did, yet she is portrayed as a Marxist or a leftwinger in order to frighten the sheep.

[nickgutierrez]

44. Sam Walton's little lady is a Marxist?

http://www.gregpalast.com/hillarys-mother-fing-tour-business/

I don't think Sam's gonna be very happy when he finds out about this.

[Perry Logan]

45. Wingers are so afraid of Hillary, they'll say any old thing

When she takes office, Republicans will just start dying.

[ShortnFiery]

46. Well HRC was admittedly a tad left of center when she was First Lady ...

but that was well before she hooked up with the DLC. Now she's a pure corporatist. It's a shame that the working class right wingers are not paying close enough attention to discern the difference? We all have plenty to fear if HRC snags the WH and Bubba's DLCers re-populate the Executive Branch, but IMO, it has nothing to do with Marxism. :shrug:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

47. Anyone who thinks Hillary is a Marxist has never met a real Marxist

Just like anyone who thinks that the NY Times or NPR is "far left" has never seen real "far left" media.

Just like anyone who thinks that any Congressional Democrat is "far left" has never heard real "far lefists" talk about them.

[FormerDittoHead]

48. ...and she supports the terrorists too, doesn't she? n/t

[ShortnFiery]

49. Well one would hope only the kool-aid drinking right-wingers would CONSIDER such an absurdity. n/t

[FormerDittoHead]

50. I'm thinking about 23% of the people would believe ANYTHING... n/t

[ShortnFiery]

51. I want to believe that most people are genuinely trying to do what's moral and right.

But I'm an eternal optimist. That is, I believe that even if we suffer greatly on this earth, those of us "who did their best" to care for the poor and disenfranchised, will fully receive their blessings after death. :shrug:

Often times people are far too easily led by the M$M ... and GOOD does not prevail over EVIL. Yes, far too many people want to be SHEEP and consider their lives to equate to a SITCOM or romantic movie ... but it's NOT ... Life is a vicious struggle and the best we can hope for is to break even ... well that and sometimes find a little guilty comfort in the thought that those uncaring wealthy and ruling elites can't take it with them! Amen! ... Play Ball! :evilgrin:

[sleipnir]

53. Soon she'll be called a "Stalinist" by some here at DU.

Just wait.

[ShortnFiery]

54. Not before the label is pinned on Obama and Edwards ... by some here. n/t

[Odin2005]

56. What a moran, I used to be a Marxist and ths guy knows jack about Marxism.

Marxism is a lot more then a belief in class warfare or a like of Marx's contributions to economics and sociology, something right-wingers don't seem to understand when they use the term as a smear. To be a Marxist you also have to subscribe to Marx's economic determinism and his teleological, "historicist" theories of history and social science (my rejection of both things after I read some stuff by Karl Popper is why I am no longer a Marxist).

[ProudDad]

60. I'm not sure trading Marx for Popper

is all that useful when considering the art of analysis of competing economic systems.

"Popper's falsificationism can be questioned logically, by asking about statements such as "There are black holes", which cannot be falsified by any possible observation, yet which seems to be a legitimately scientific claim. Similarly, it's not clear how Popper would deal with a statement like "for every metal, there is a temperature at which it will melt", which can neither be confirmed nor falsified by any possible observation, yet which seems to be a valid scientific hypothesis. These examples were pointed out by Carl G. Hempel. Hempel came to acknowledge that Logical Positivism's verificationism was untenable, but argued that falsificationism was equally untenable on logical grounds alone. The simplest response to this is that, because Popper describes how theories attain, maintain and lose scientific status, individual consequences of currently accepted scientific theories are scientific in the sense of being part of tentative scientific knowledge, and both of Hempel's examples fall under this category. For instance, atomic theory implies that all metals melt at some temperature. Another example is the claim that faster-than-light travel of information is possible, an unfalsifiable claim that would have been viewed as correct before relativistic physics, and is now assumed to be false because theory implies this. If this theory is later rejected, the issue may become more complex. To put it simply, on this view, falsifying a theory may lead to some of its implications being temporarily of uncertain scientific status, not even supported in a hypothetico-deductive sense.

Charles Taylor accuses Popper of exploiting his worldwide fame as an epistemologist to diminish the importance of philosophers of the 20th century continental tradition. According to Taylor, Popper's criticisms are completely baseless, but they are received with an attention and respect that Popper's "intrinsic worth hardly merits"

[Odin2005]

65. The black hole things seems like a misguided argument.

"There are black holes" is what Popper calls an existential statement and such statements are unfalsifiable (an example Popper gives is the statement "there exists a plant that can cure all know diseases") To make the statement falsifiable the statement must say something like "matter falling into a object described by , which is called a black hole, produces an accretion disk that emits electromagnetic radiation."

[Capn Sunshine]

57. what the hell?

Why use a Republican bugaboo code word from the 50's in a Democratic Party forum unless it is to sow dissent?

Is that your point?

[Radical Activist]

58. Red baiting? LOL Are they serious?

They need to go back to the 50's where they belong. What a joke!

[Greyhound]

66. We've both seen this same behavior right here on DU. n/t

[rockymountaindem]

61. Promoting consensus is Marxsim?

Karl would be surprised to hear that. I don't think these Townhall people read anything besides their own self-reinforcing drivel.

[DesertKart]

62. Whether you think she's a marxist or not is irrelevant. What matters is what

independents think. To me she comes off as a commie. She endorses wealth distribution in many forms and professes the need to limit capitalism.

[ShortnFiery]

63. No, that's more in tune with "Socialism" ... what's important are her actions. n/t

[DutchLiberal]

64. If THAT'S what makes one a Marxist

then I'm fucking Karl Marx himself! No wait, ... then I'm Marx, Lenin and Stalin combined!! And I'm not even what you could call a 'socialist'. Conclusion: no, she does NOT sound Marxist AT ALL.

[TomClash]

69. Great! Where do I sign up? nt

[goodgd_yall]

71. Oh well, god forbid anyone give up some turf

I mean, what is the fantasy these people have who are so fearful of this statement. Grasping, entitled buggahs.