How long will everything Democratic be looked at through the prism of the Clinton Presidency?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

It wouldn't be and this frame would have no relevance except for one fact:

Hillary is running.

I am so tired of it.

I cried (really) when Clinton was elected and the TV that night showed Clinton and Gore and Hillary and Tipper in front of the statehouse in Little Rock and the band played Fleetwood Mac. I felt like I had been delivered from the (then) AntiChrist Ronald Reagan.

I am a more informed person than I was during the Clinton Presidency. If the internet had existed then, I might have known more and been more skeptical about the DLC and centrism and NAFTA.

I was solidly behind Bill during the Monica scandal because I saw it as being strictly about consensual sex among adults that was nobody's business but the participants. But, other people made it their business whether or not they should have. Bill lied about Monica. I don't think anyone disputes this fact. Bill also did issue pardons that were questionable - to Marc Rich as well as family members and those connected to family members.

Maybe we should have a statistical study of all Presidential pardons to find out how many were because of "connections" and how many were because of altruism. I never heard of anyone questioning pardons except for Ford's pardon of Nixon which cost him the election, and then Bush senior's pardons of the Iran Contra Gang, and then Clinton's pardons of Marc Rich, his own brotherRoger, and the person connected or represented by Hillary's brother. And of course, now we have Scooter. Nothing is comparable to Scooter except Bush Sr's pardons. But of course you would never know that from the discussion we are subjected to by the MSM.

The Scooter case has revealed hypocrisy all around, which is why all the TV pundits are practically drooling as they lay "the Clinton trap" for BOTH sides. And then we have to watch our team twist themselves into pretzels to defend what is basically indefensible if we would be honest with ourselves and waste precious time on how Libby and Rich are 2 entirely different cases of perversions of the Justice system. Our defense comes down to "But I only beat my wife with one club!"

If I thought that it would bring back accountability to the people who elected them, and the famous "rule of law", and respect for the Constitution, and the entire concept of checks and balances between an executive Branch and a Legislative Branch, then yes, I would be entirely willing to throw both Bill and Hillary overboard without a backward glance so I could proceed on my march towards a Democratic future without them.

[elocs]

1. Until there is another Democratic president. n/t

[patricia92243]

2. Bingo! n/t

[aquart]

3. Yup. That should clear up the problem.

[Phredicles]

4. Especially one whose last name is something other than "Clinton".

[Bitwit1234]

5. What I would like to know

is what in the hell was wrong with President's Clinton's two terms. We were at peace. There was a surplus and jobs were plentiful. It all ended January 2001 when the monster took the office he stole.

Clinton had a blow job. But bush has been the cause of the ruination of this country, myriads of deaths of Iraqi and our precious military and has practically bankrupted this country.

[emilyg]

6. Absolutely right.

[ShortnFiery]

7. "wrong with President's Clinton's two terms"

DLC cronyism and deal making on the sly. Pardons to Union Busting Millionaires. NAFTA. Outsourcing of Jobs. Welfare Reform. Overseeing massive Media Consolidation. SCANDALS galore (numerous players at fault). Shame, embarrassment of our Intelligent and Charismatic President's lack of integrity when it comes to being physically faithful to his wife. NOT the sex itself, but the LIES and COVER-UP attempts by "both Clintons" when all they needed to do was admit his PERSONAL MISTAKE up front.

Unfortunately when one feels shame and begins to lie and cover up facts, it no longer TRULY matters what is the specific topic is because they can be blackmailed. :wow: Their lies and cover-ups shames the entire party, nation (both parties) and despite their high intelligence, it also degrades the inidividuals' integrity and trustworthiness in the eyes of Americans.

As I've noted before, any Civilian or Military Member being caught "covering up" any wrongdoing (however - seemingly slight but potentially blackmailable) would lose both his/her job as well as their high level security clearance. However, there are CLEARLY "different rules" for both parties of our ruling elites. And yes people, Sandy Berger shamed himself and us ... WTF was he thinking?!? :grr: