Who Is The Better Politician - Hillary Clinton or John Kerry?

[ruggerson]

If, and I said IF, Hillary does win this thing, all she needs is to hold the Kerry states and add Ohio or Virginia or Florida.

If she's a better politician than Kerry, that's doable.

Note, this poll is not whether you LIKE her more than John Kerry, but whether you think she is a better strategist and fighter... a better politician in the sense of running a smart and brutal campaign.

[DesertKart]

1. The poll is flawed. Politics do not happen in a vacuum

Just because a politician is a better strategist does not mean he/she will hold/win anything. She's hated by the right and she needs to overcome that before you can compare the two.

[Horse with no Name]

2. And that is it in a nutshell.

Welcome to DU.

[ruggerson]

58. John Kerry wasn't hated by the right?

They hated him with an intensity going back to Vietnam. Why do you think the SwiftBoaters even arose?

[sampsonblk]

80. Not till he got the nomination

The so-called strategists on our side were all so sure Kerry was our man, because he'd appeal to pro-war voters and swing voters, since he was a war hero. But once he got the nomination, the hit squads came out in force. Even the 'moderate' voters who once admired Kerry were yelling for his crucifixion. Vet groups even turned against him. Same thing happened to McCain in 2000.

[LBJDemocrat]

90. Even Bill O'Reilly said nice things about him

He wasn't a hated figure.

[More Than A Feeling]

3. I see Hillary as the Harold Ford of 2008 if she gets the nomination.

The media will breathlessly describe her campaign as "mistake-free," but she'll end up losing by a couple of points because her campaign will also be too bland to create enough excitement and momentum to knock out even a non-incumbent Republican.

[wyldwolf]

12. Interesting. I see Obama as the John Kerry of 2008

Once the smears start, he'll stare like a deer in the headlights.

[w4rma]

4. Hillary is much more selfish than Kerry and willing to do things that will hurt others to "win".

I don't think that makes her a better politician, but it does help her to "win".

[Tellurian]

42. How is Hillary selfish?

So what do you suggest? Should she carry Edwards on her shoulders over the finish line...Ever been in a foot race?
It doesn't work that way if you plan to win. It's every wo/man for themselves.

[DrFunkenstein]

91. By Shooting Kerry Over The "Botched" Joke Before a Tight Mid-Term Election

It was an extremely divisive - and unnecessary - move that took up alot of oxygen right before a tight election that gave the GOP a few newscycles of relief/rallying and possibly cost the Democratice Party some seats. It also helped take Kerry out of the '08 race, which is why Clinton was willing to make the Dems seem divided at a crucial time to further her own campaign down the road.

I'd say that's a pretty good candidate for "selfish."

It is NOT every wo/man for themselves. We hang together or we hang separately remains the operative reason for having a political party in the first place. One of the reasons I couldn't stand Bill Clinton, despite his successes, is that so many of them were on the backs of other Democrats.

[Island Blue]

5. The situations in all three of those states

are way different now than they were in '04. Part of the reason why they are different is because John Kerry worked his ass off to make sure that Democrats were elected to key offices in those states during '06. I'm sure Hillary must have done something to help the cause too ...:shrug:

[yes2truth]

6. Neither one knows how to fight - in a way that

appeals to the largest number of voters, most of whom are not well informed.

[ClassWarfare2008]

7. I reject the premise of the poll

I don't give a flying fuck what kind of a politician or a campaigner someone is, if they can't be the kind of president this country needs. And Hillary doesn't seem to fit THAT criteria.

[IndianaGreen]

67. The premise of the poll is that Hillary makes a better gangster than Bush

Afterall, Hillary has only criticized the management of the criminal and illegal war in Iraq, never the war or the war's goals. Hillary is telling the voters that she will be a more efficient killer than Bush. No moral threshold exists for Hillary, or for her serial philanderer of a husband.

[illinoisprogressive]

8. Kerry. He did not get obvious or desparate acting. sometimes it

seems like Hillary is being kinetic. all over the place. She cannot decide if she wants to be herself or use Bill as cover and his resume to pad hers. I feel like she is not being just herself.

[William769]

34. Hillary is not the one that keeps having to apologize Like Obama does. NT

[flpoljunkie]

9. Kerry by a mile. He won with the Clintons and Dem establishment "sticking the knife in his back..."

Historian Douglas Brinkley:

"There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

[sallyseven]

74. That is bull shit.

Douglas Brinkley is a bush ass wipe.

[karynnj]

88. Look, you may not like his comment, but he is a well reputed historian

He has nothing to do with Bush - He clearly was very impressed by Senator Kerry as a young, moral, articulate sailor.

[Colobo]

10. Hillary. She's tough as nails and won't fold up under pressure.

[ShortnFiery]

11. And that's who we need in power, another *tough* politician.

But the hook is that she's a woman ... sort of like Maggie Thatcher? :scared:

[Peregrine Took]

13. Neither - they both suck. He's already lost and she will, too, if she gets the

nomination.

[Tellurian]

39. How so? Kerry refused to stand up and fight. Bill fought the RWers for 8yrs..

Do you think he would stand by and let the RWers attack his wife and let her fight RW battles by herself? Her guns are loaded and ready to fight if need be. They have the experience and a well oiled organization behind them experienced in RW warfare, unlike the stumbler, Obama.

[venable]

14. she's a better pol. he's a better democrat nt

[TankLV]

50. Good observation.

She's not my cup of tea, but knows how to take a knife to a knife fight, unlike spineless mr too nice Kerry...

[venable]

15. premise is wrong - she can be a better pol, and lose many states he carried

she is loathed by many in both parties. he was not.

[DrDan]

16. what a choice - they both suck . . .

[robcon]

17. Clinton is the best campaigner I have ever witnessed.

She is my senator, and will soon be my president.

[karynnj]

18. Kerry

Kerry won his first two state wide Masssachusetts races without party or media support. In 2004, he came under the radar to win Iowa and eventually nearly every state in the primaries. These required a huge amount of political skill unless you want to put it down to Kerry clearly being and incredible person. (Also, Kerry's near win against intense media bias and McAuliffe's placing of the convention as early as he did - dooming Kerry to stretch money over 13 weeks that Bush streched over 8 is as impressive as Clinton's win over a Bush at 33% approval.)

Hillary was the first lady and the candidate who would have run for the Demnocratic nomination for Senate stepped aside. She faced an imploding Guilliani who had just told the press that he was divorcing before he told his wife. He was then replaced by a candidate who sounded like a weak version of Santorum. Her opponent this year was even weaker. She personally has not yet fought a hard race.

There is no proof that Hillary is a good politician, but there is plenty of proof that the Clinton machine is both powerful and ruthless. It is clear they are willing to sink to Rove level. I hope Kerry never would - he clearly values his intregrity.

I wonder if Bill will advise Hillary to endorse whatever the 2008 equivilent of the gay bashing bills are.

[SaveElmer]

19. John Kerry lost to the most unpopular incumbent...

To ever win reelection to the Presidency...

No question Hillary is the better politician...and though I think John Kerry would have been a fine President...Hillary has the makings of a great one...

[karynnj]

20. Kerry lost to W who had about a 50% approval rating

W was nowhere near the most unpopular incumbent - for example his dad was at 33% at the time of his re-election. If W's approval was shifted 15 points, I assume Kerry would have easily won. In fact, as soon as 4 or 5 months after the election, what if polls showed the Kerry would win - at that point, Bush's popularity was at around 40%.

In my opinion, Kerry was far more likely to be a great President. His background would have helped him heal the rifts caused by Iraq. He also would have made changes to the foreign policy America has followed for half a century - as he spoke of even in 1971. He also has a far better environmental record.

[SaveElmer]

40. Well...first...his father was DEFEATED for reelection...

So that point is obviously wrong....a guy named Bill Clinton beat him...you might remember hearing about that.

Second, his (W's) approval rating was stuck in the low to mid 40's throughout the 2004 campaign...

[karynnj]

60. You said that Bush was the least popular President

- as I said, his father was less popular - as were Carter and Ford for that matter. W was mostly in the mid to high 40s. The fact is that his dad was SUBSTANTIALLY weaker throughout the 1992 campaign. Had W been that weak, Kerry would have won in spite of a biased media (the media favored Clinton - How many times did they cover GHWB vomiting on the Japanese PM? They also really hit Bush for the nasty convention (W's was worse and was praised - even as delegates wore purple heart bandages). I think most people would concede that 1992 was a far easier race - in fact, I believe even Bill Clinton would.

[SaveElmer]

69. No...read it again...

I said Bush was the least popular incumbent reelected to the Presidency...

George Bush I, Ford, and Carter were all defeated for reelection...

[karynnj]

71. That is because NO one was in the same range as GWB

He was very close to 50 % in November 2004. All the defeated Presidents were below 40%. There was no data in the range Bush was in. W was closer to Clinton than to his dad.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. Did he lose? I don't think he did, any more than Gore did.

They wuz robbed.

[TankLV]

51. That's it in a nutshell, isn't it - he lost to the most unpopular idiot in a generation...

[calteacherguy]

21. I had to vote for Clinton here as the least uninspiring. nt

[WildEyedLiberal]

22. If by "politician" you mean someone who will do ANYTHING to get elected...

... then I suppose I'd have to say Hillary. Keep in mind that by that definition, Bush is an extraordinary politician.

John Kerry is, however, a better person. Win or lose, there's a little thing called integrity, and once you sell it, it's gone.

[ruggerson]

59. Yep, that's the criteria

and, yes, by that definition, Bush is a far better politician than John Kerry.

Remember, we don't get to implement ANY of our policies unless we first actually win.

[Tellurian]

23. Hillary will be the next president; Kerry never will be president.

[Mass]

95. Ambition, ambition. It is the only thing she has.

If this is enough for you, fine.

[gulliver]

24. Hillary is a political dufus.

She is a miscalculated mix of error and inaction. If she weren't Bill Clinton's wife, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Hillary is proving herself to be no better than Kerry at politics and tragically worse at identity. So far, she hasn't shown gut one. She's a self-deception.

[Tellurian]

41. haha! No better than Kerry at politics..

What a misstatement and miscalculation of words depicting the strongest candidate in the field. Hillary ain't no John Kerry. That would be the day, she'd allow the RW to so easily take away her win of the popular vote and the presidency. :rofl:

[karynnj]

83. She may very well become the President, but she has never taken

the courageous moral stands against corruption in our government that Kerry has repeatedly taken, even though any one of them could have derailed a political career.

He fought Nixon, Reagan and Bush 1 when they supported things like the Vietnam war, corrupt RW thugs in Central America, and allowing people linked to terrorists to own US banks - Hillary and Bill Clinton acually supported helping the Contras!

It says something about our country that Kerry did not overwhelmingly win in 2004 - he is as close as we can get to someone who stands for the best of American values.

[Yukari Yakumo]

25. Easy, HRC

Kerry is a Cocker Spaniel, he let the Swift Boaters walk all over him.
HRC is a Pit Bull, she'd eat the Swift Boaters for lunch.

[gulliver]

26. The Swift Boaters won't come for HRC until after she is ...

... the nominee. Which will never happen.

But if it did, they would eat her lunch. She would pit bull around and fume, and in the end her lunch would be eaten. Unlike Kerry, HRC has no real accomplishments to point to. That would not ordinarily be a problem, except she is Bill Clinton's wife. So it is a problem.

I'm not sure where we get this idea that HRC is so tough. I think it is wishful thinking. She would take the hit, consult with Bill, and come out with something that looks like she consulted with Bill. And she would be obliterated.

[Tellurian]

44. more delusional nonsense...

you wouldn't write such drivel, if you paid more attention to what is going on.

[rufus dog]

27. Based upon my belief of the meaning of politician

Hillary wins.

The word Politician causes a Pavlov response in me similar to what righties must feel when Trial Lawyer is mentioned. I agree with some of the earlier posts, HRC could be a better politician but that doesn't correspond to holding states Kerry won and picking up additional states.

If the poll was which one would make a better president then you have a discussion.

[ripple]

28. Hillary...and that's why it won't translate to votes

in the general. She is seen as a politician's politician, something people largely detest.

[IndianaGreen]

29. A President Hillary will use PATRIOT against the antiwar and antiglobalization movements

She is as amoral and ruthless as Richard Nixon.

Hillary is wrong for America!

No more Bushes and Clintons.

[rufus dog]

30. A tad too strong.

She has her faults, but she is no Nixon.

We may have to vote for her in 08 so please keep it somewhat sane.


What if you have HRC vs Thompson or any one of the R candidates? (and don't go the third party route, in 2000 I could support that position. After Bush that option is gone)

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Did you know she campaigned for Goldwater and Nixon?

Did you know she was president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley?

I don't think we can trust her.

[NYCGirl]

36. Did you know that Kucinich used to be anti-choice? And a lot more recently

than Clinton was a Young Republican.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but one's distant past often doesn't mean anything to the present.

[karynnj]

37. She did campaign for Goldwater, but I don't think she campaigned for Nixon

She gave an anti-war speech at her college graduation in 1969. I never heard who, if any one she campaigned for in 1968. She and Bill campaigned for McGovern (against Nixon)in 1972.

I think it fairer to ask why she didn't add her voice in a positive way against the Iraq War in 2005 - 2006. Now, suddenly she is speaking points that Kerry, Feingold and others spoke in April 2005. (Her 3 points in Iowa were 1) get the troops out of a Civil War 2) demand the Iraqi government step up and 2) we need regional diplomacy - too bad that she is on record saying that approach (which is Kerry/Feingold) was wrong and sarcasticly bash Kerry (curiously she didn't bash Feingold who was the other sponsor - can you say politics?).

In fact, the Clintons misjudged the politics on Iraq. In 2005 and 2006, Bill Clinton spoke of how Hillary was "stronger" on national security than Kerry. They misspositioned her and have since Nov 2006 moved her quickly to the left. (With little exceptions such as the long NYT cover story where she was for a slower withdrawal leaving significant troops.) They misspositioned her on Alito too. The NYT clearly wanted her to lead a filibuster - which they advocated then ridiculed Kerry and Kennedy for having privately started the day before their editorial. (Consider that B. Clinton's political advice to Kerry in 2004 - to endorse gay bashing referendums that would have been in contrast to Kerry's entire career and to stick to domestic issues were likely wrong.)

What they do have is the power of the Clinton machine and a segment of the media behind them. They also have the residual goodwill many Democrats have for them. They have shown themselves willing to be ruthless. If the test of being a good politician is whether they would sell their souls to win, I do think people here are correct - The Clintons would do it or think of doing it.

[IndianaGreen]

68. The Clintons have a track record of back stabbing LGBTs

There is Bill Clinton's infamous advise to Kerry to join the GOP in gay bashing legislation, which you mentioned, an advise that Kerry rejected to his credit. Then there is Hillary's disgusting comments about General Pace's homophobic remarks that gays were inherently immoral. Hillary's gut-reaction response was that she "would leave it to others to decide."

When Hillary meets LGBTs is always in private, with only the gay press present. It was in one of those meetings that Hillary said she was "evolving" on marriage rights for gays. Hillary has yet to endorse or support full equality for gays and lesbians. She is a closet homophobe, just like her husband is.

[assclown_bush]

87. That is utterly ridiculous! I'll take HRC or Bill over any other candidate any day...

I don't think for one minute that Bill or Hillary are homophobes and as a gay man, I wish that Bill Clinton had been able to legislate in favor of gays in the military, but he didn't. I can live with it because I believe his heart was in the right place. Life for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and trans-gendered people was better during the Clinton years, if only because of the tone and texture of the times.

But "homophobe"??? Jeeeesh!

[IndianaGreen]

89. Bill Clinton was more interested in his dick than he was in the rights of LGBTs

We have been struggling at the state level, all thanks to Bill and his support for DOMA. Bill's advice to Kerry to support gay bashing legislation is nothing to be ignored, or forgotten, or forgiven.

I wouldn't trust Hillary at all. She has been duplicitous at best when it comes to LGBT rights. Her active participation in a rightwing prayer group on Capitol Hill, leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. I strongly suspect the Clintons are closet homophobes.

We must support those candidates that have stood with the LGBT community during hard times, not with those that have vacillated or triangulated what should have been a core issue. Gay rights is human rights, and human rights are not to be compromised on the altar of political expediency.

[assclown_bush]

92. A male's preocupation with his own genitals is not uncommon.

I will not accuse Bill Clinton of being a "homophobe" just because he likes getting laid...that is between him and his wife: it's none of my business.

I find your suspicions of Hillary's duplicity to be specious at best and quite out there in la-la-land. However, opine away...you are only p*ss*ng in the wind.

[Alamom]

38. Wrong on Nixon and not old enough to vote when Goldwater ran. Facts:

She may have campaigned for Goldwater, but in the 1964 U.S. presidential election, she was 17 & not old enough to vote.


VP Nixon /administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) (she was 8)

In 1960, Nixon V. John F. Kennedy (she was 13)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton


She became active in politics and served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year. (she was 18)

In 1968, her junior year at Wellesley College, Hillary Rodham age 22, became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.

I think that means she never voted for a repuke presidential candidate or congress member.

[William769]

48. Someone not reporting correct fact here! WOW!

You will notice that person did not even apologize for the deliberate misrepresentation.

[Alamom]

53. Facts seem to confuse or anger. eom

[TankLV]

52. Resorting to lies again I see...

Hillary never campaigned for Nixon - quite the opposite...

Won't even bother with the rest of your statement...

[DemBones DemBones]

32. She's never promised to repeal PATRIOT, has she?

Kucinich has promised that.

Has she even mentioned modifying PATRIOT? If not, don't you wonder why?

[TankLV]

54. Ahh - when caught spewing LIES - change the subject...typical...

[Tellurian]

45. The more venom spewed against Hillary...

the better the contrast of your specious comments amounting to casting Hillary in a good light.

Thanks!

[IndianaGreen]

65. A President Hillary will be tagged as a war criminal if she keeps troops and bases in Iraq

She has supported the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Iran, when she told the crazies at AIPAC that "all options" were on the table (the Pentagon is considering using tactical nukes, per Seymour Hersh).

Hillary "Nagasaki" Clinton!

[Totally Committed]

35. The operative word there is "politician"....

Since I no longer see true "politicians" as honorable servants of the people, I chose the BEST "politician" based on that opinion, and the other one got off with a slap on the wrist.

You decide which way I voted. In my heart of hearts, neither is my favorite Democrat, but one is a markedly better public servant than the other.

TC

[Tellurian]

46. Ridiculous assertion!

[Kahuna]

43. Hillary...tenfold. nt

[Tellurian]

47. Post of the day !

Bravo!

[TankLV]

49. Hillary - no question. She's won over a state that supposedly HATED her and now has over 70%

approval ratings.

Kerry couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag that was FAVORABLE to him against the most UNFAVORABLE idiot to run against in a generation, and still lost enough where he made it close enough to steal...

[sleipnir]

55. I question whether people are voting FOR Kerry or simply AGAINST Hillary.

I suspect it may be the latter.

[WildEyedLiberal]

72. Why? I like Kerry better and I voted for Hillary

I think she's a better "politician" than he is. I also don't think that's a good thing because it means she's more willing to allow her principles to be determined by polls and to do underhanded, amoral things to win. If the poll had asked who is a better public servant, my answer would have been different.

I like your username btw.

[sleipnir]

73. I see your point on the poll.

I can certainly see where Hillary winning this poll is not necessarily a net positive to her character and general moral standing.

I feel Kerry is a more successful public servant than a politician, through I would also say the same for Al Gore. And I greatly admire both of those two people. It's a shame that good public servants don't always make the best politicians.

Thanks for noticing my user-name, I like it, too.

[JI7]

76. very true, Kerry would never have sunk so low as to vote for DOMA

and then run ads in conservative areas bragging about it during election time.

but he still came close to winnning including getting a larger percentage of votes than Clinton did in 1992. he could have won if he had a little more support rather than people spending time blaming him for the swift boat liars. and of course getting out his record in the Senate years.

Bill sunk to low levels with his sista souljah moment selling out people and yet he never got even half the votes. both times he got under 50 percent.

and Bill Clinton is THE greatest politician there is and no question he is running the Hillary campaign.

so being just a good politician is not enough to win either. remember, Bush lost to Gore even though BUsh is a better politician than Gore.

[JohnLocke]

56. Well, they're both elected officials in regions where Democrats usually win...

[Blue_In_AK]

57. Better in what way?

I'm not answering this poll. I simply find John Kerry a "better" person, all the way around.

[jillan]

61. I voted for Kerry. He was more sincere.

Hillary has turned into a robot. Soundbites just keep pouring out of her.

Kerry had the capability to adapt to each audience.
He enjoyed people, and it showed.

[fujiyama]

62. Who's the better politician?

Hillary. I'll give her credit there. And I also think she has a great attack machine. It's very quick to respond.

But IMO, Kerry is the much better senator and person overall.

But the idea of Hillary winning VA still amuses me. It just will not happen. You expect her to get the same sort of people that voted for Webb? And if she's going for Kerry states + FL or OH, we're back to the same crappy chances...Maybe there's a chance in OH because the economy is so terrible, but she'll be fighting to keep hold of WI, PA and several other states...

[karynnj]

63. PA might be harder for her

Kerry was likely helped by all the work that Teresa has done in Pittsburg. She and her sons likely helped get her votes among moderate Republicans who had known her as a smart good person for decades.

[quinnox]

64. No Contest

Kerry was the worst politician I have seen for a long time!

Hillary Clinton wipes the floor with John Kerry in terms of skill as a politician.

[jenmito]

66. Kerry didn't fight back against the Swiftboat liars...

and gave the Repubs. quotes like "I actually DID vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" (although if he would've explained it publicly just what he meant by that he could've squashed it, and the WORST thing is, he didn't follow up on his promise to contest OH. (I just watched "Hacking Democracy" so I'm mad all over again, including at Kerry. So I voted for Hillary.

[Geek_Girl]

70. I actually believe that Hillary is the most skilled Politician of our time

but given that I know that she will not be able to pick up any states in the South or midwest. She's such a divisive candidate and is literally hated here and I'm not certain she can get Ohio Florida or Virginia.

[LittleClarkie]

75. I think Kerry is a very good man, but sometimes not a good politician

I'm not completely sure Hillary is a good woman, and I also don't think she's as smart as she thinks she is, politically. She leaves the seams in. It looks too mechanical. I think her best chance of winning is if people still have the warm fuzzies over the Clinton era, warts and all.

I'll have to see her do more speechifying, but as it stands right now, that's how I see her.

Neither is the politician that Bill Clinton is.

So I think it's like comparing apples and oranges.

[ProSense]

77. Hillary the fundraising machine

Oh, my bad, that title went to Obama this year.

[last_texas_dem]

78. I think Hillary Clinton

is the better politician. However, I think John Kerry comes across as more likeable and genuine, regardless of how the MSM tries to portray him. When people vote, I think they consider both qualities: someone's political skill and their idea of what the candidate is like as a person.

[Perry Logan]

79. Kerry received more votes for President than any Democrat ever

And they were real votes. So he ain't exactly chopped liver.

[LWolf]

81. If campaigning is what being a politician is all about,

then I'd like to evict all the damned politicians and elect some non-politicians.

Frankly, I don't care who is the better campaigner. I care who is the better public servant.

If I had to choose between the 2, I'd say Kerry, based on his pre-GWB record.

Smart? Hillary is smarter than Kerry.

Brutal? Does this mean who is more willing to lie, cheat, steal, smear, and go negative? The winner: The DLC and DLC candidates. :shrug:

[NaturalHigh]

82. I can't answer your poll.

That's like asking me if I would rather be kicked in the nuts by a punter or a kicker. Neither option is terribly appealing.

[Name removed]

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[NaturalHigh]

86. Yep, that will convince people to vote for Hillary.

You're really good at this winning friends and influencing people, aren't you? :eyes:

By the way, I'm one of those f***ing fruitcakes who would never vote for Mrs. Clinton.

[politicasista]

85. Kerry is the better public servant. Hillary is good at politicking

When she and Obama came down to NOLA for the Essence Music Festival, the feedback was that she was just coming down there "trying to claim her Sister card." And when she sang "I Don't Feel Noways Tired" in an Alabama church, that was a turn off to some folks. (She did get a good response).

[Thothmes]

93. Better Politian

Will reserve judgement on this question until November the 3rd, 2008.

[Mass]

94. Hillary, I guess, but it is a negative.

Only political junkies would consider being a politician as a compliment. In my world, it means that you are ready to sell your father and mother to get power.